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The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1820
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:33 am: | 
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(my wife told me this outrageous little tale this morning)
...so my wife is in the Bagel Chateau ("The Shat") on Sunday and she hears what sound like two therapists talking in line behind her. They mention a patient's full name, and how he's progressing, and it's someone we know! A 16-year old school mate of our son's!
This seems the height of unprofessionalism and arrogance. Or am I over-reacting? |
LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1589
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:37 am: |
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You are not overreacting! They should not be using a patient's real name in discussions had in public. That's terrible. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1217
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:40 am: |
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I want to hit you for calling Bagel Chateau the "Shat." |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1822
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:42 am: |
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why? It's not meant in disrespect. Shat is short for Chateau. I have a nickname for everything.... even you, ya big galoot. |
Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4574
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:43 am: |
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two wrongs here:
them using the patients real name (classless).
and "the shat" - it's going to be a while before I get a bagel from there. |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1824
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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Bagels there are just fine. Decent coffee, too. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6099
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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mayor - I've been calling it "The Shat" for years - please hit me! |
LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1590
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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Perhaps if you changed the spelling to "The Chat" it would be more "palatable" to people.... |
LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1591
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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unless of course, your french, in which case, you'd be calling it "The Cat" but they'll deal. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1218
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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The "Shat"... I am dissapointed Mr T. It sounds very Maplewood Yuppy to me (or 16 year old girl "cool" talk, I can't decide. Sorry, it is like visual nails on a chalkboard to me, I hope to never hear it said aloud for fear that I may die a painful death as a direct result. |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1825
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:09 am: |
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Yo, Walnuts, you'd better not read this one, then...
I'd never spelt Shat at all before today. Here're some other nicknames I use around the house for local landmarks, they're not amazingly clever or original, just slang we use when discussing a chore or outing (Oh, man, talk aboutcher thread drift):
Bagel Chateau.........The Shat
Village Trattoria........The Trat
Kings.....................Bings
Roman Gourmet.......The Gorman Romay
Whole Foods...........Foul Moods
Bill & Harry's............Hill & Barry's
Bunny's..................The Bun
The Post Office........That Crap Rathole Foot-Stinky Insane Asylum Where I Shall Never Go Again
Town Video.............The Vid
CVS......................The SUV
Mapleleaf Diner.........The Leaf
Wine Library............The Cathedral
Taco Bell................Taco Smell (alt: Taco Hell)
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Hank Zona
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Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5531
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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did you inform the classmate's parents? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1219
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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I think that a little piece of me just died. The parts that didn't die are calling for a suicide pill. |
Lucy
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Username: Lucy
Post Number: 3562
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:18 am: |
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Mayor your up way to early exams? |
mjh
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Username: Mjh
Post Number: 476
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Unbelievably unprofessional. I would certainly consider calling the parents. The "therapists" in question should be reported to their professional associations/source of accreditation. Disgusting! |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 208
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
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(Here is an old one...Eye Witless News.)
Back to the subject - I am amazed at how loudly people speak in public places, on every and any subject, with complete lack of discretion and disregard for time and place and presence of others.
Of course, never bring up in discussion a person's last name. |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2226
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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I think this is more than unprofessional. I think it is actually illegal. |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1826
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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No, we did not inform the parents (I just heard about this this morning). Might be too embarrassed to do so. |
Hank Zona
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Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5532
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
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T,
It may be easier to take a pass on it, but this sounds like a situation where the right thing to do may not be the easy thing to do. I think there may be a diplomatic and more comfortable way to do it perhaps. If it was my child being discussed, I would want to know. Even if I was going to choose to not "make an issue" of it directly, I would want to know so I could at least find someone else to bring my child to. |
Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4577
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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Mr T
I've been thinking about this (and the shat) and wondering what I would do. They used this person's first and last name?
If I had a somewhat reasonable relationship w/ the parents - I'd say something. If Mrs T heard it at the shat - who knows where else these two are talking about their patients.
CLK has an exelent point.
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The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1828
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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Mebbe so, mebbe so. I'll mention it to The Soulful Mrs T. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7420
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:49 am: |
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CLK is right; with healthcare compliance laws these days, they probably aren't even at liberty to discuss the patient with each other.
If you are not comfortable telling the parents, you should call both therapists offices. What if, for example, one of the parents is applying for a job and the prospective employer heard the conversation and decided not to hire the parent because they didn't want to carry the health care insurance for someone who would be a "heavy user"? Or another kid overheard and started bullying the kid getting therapy. Don't think it doesn't happen.
This could be any one of us or a family member; people need to learn to think about their surroundings before they speak. Please don't let it go. The parents may be embarrassed, but I'll bet they appreciate it. |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 3837
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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You should find others present at the time to serve as witnesses, and the therapists should be reported to Federal authorities for violation of H.I.P.P.A. regulations. Patient information is protected by these statutes, and for good reason.
It's no laughing matter, folks. The Oracle once tried to pressure my analyst (who is, coincidentally, Joel Dranove's as well) to hand over the tapes of several (pretty successful, actually...) hypno-therapy sessions I took with her to correct my little "profanity" tick. He wanted to collect damaging info about me to force me to quit, so he wouldn't have to pay severance or whatever, and the only thing that made him let up was her threat to report him for intent of misuse of medical records. While backing down, he even tried to argue that since the sessions were being paid for by my employee health insurance policy, which was on his dime, he was thereby entitled to know just how crazy I am...er, was. Well, HA-HA, ex-Boss. You got shot down, but good! In yer face, Orifice! Take THAT up the ***, you pontificating piece if ****!
...But otherwise, I really like the Bagel Chateau. Especially since April 15th!
-s. |
The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1829
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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This was an overheard conversation.
The Soulful Mrs T doesn't know for a fact that they were therapists, and she certainly doesn't know their names and the phone numbers of their practices.
(Why since April 15th?) |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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That is when our socialist ex-governor made smoking illegal. |
mjh
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Username: Mjh
Post Number: 477
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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Mr. T;
The fact that you don't know for sure that they were therapists, and that you don't know their names, makes it more imperative that you notify the parents.
You could send an anonymous note if you think the conversation would be very uncomfortable for them. I really think they deserve to know, as the "patient" does, that this type of behavior was witnessed.
It is professional misconduct, illegal, and unethical. If it were me or my kid, I would certainly appreciate being told. |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1483
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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Mr. T- I think the best solution passed too soon: Mrs. T. could have interjected into their conversation and said "excuse me, I know that person- is everything alright?" This would have likely stopped them in their tracks. It's easy for me to say in hindsight, however. I probably would have been at the same loss on the spot as she was.
The nickname? I have to go along with the others on this one: you don't Shat where you eat... |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13874
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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Let us know what you end up doing. You might go to the kid's parents and say you're looking for a therapist and ask for a recommendation. That way, you might get the name of the kid's therapist.
I call the Mapleleaf Diner the "Make Believe Diner". Thanks to an MOLer's kid for producing that name inadvertently.
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Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4578
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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You might go to the kid's parents and say you're looking for a therapist and ask for a recommendation.
TOM THAT IS GENIUS!
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1226
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:11 pm: |
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That could backfire. I would think it weird if someone I knew randomly approached me and asked for a recommendation for a shrink. If that were me I would certainly wonder why I was selected to be asked the question. It’s not like that is something that really comes up in casual conversation.
Just a thought...
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Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4582
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:23 pm: |
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OK
I'll downgrade from genius to clever |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13881
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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Honestly, I don't think it was as clever (or genius) as Make Believe Diner.
If the parents ask "HUH?!" I'd come out and tell the truth. Embarrassing them is bad, but it probably is worth it to discipline these therapists.
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mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6102
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:32 pm: |
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Tom,
What's going on with you and EB? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13882
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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It all started when I got a letta from Mista Profeta. But as far as I know, we are not supposed to publicize the existence of our force yet.
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1227
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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There is no easy solution.
The only thing we can all agree on is that the word "Shat" should only be used in once sense, and that sense has nothing to do with bagels until after you eat them. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7424
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:44 pm: |
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Unless you eat too many bagels. In which case, the word remains a future tense, not a past or present tense. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1228
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:49 pm: |
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This is true. I should rethink my sentence. How about this:
The only thing we can all agree on is that the word "Shat" should only be used in once sense, and that sense has nothing to do with the name of Bagel Chateau, only the food. |
SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 3266
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 5:36 pm: |
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T - This is not something that should be ignored. If I were too uncomfortable to address the parents directly, I would go to the school's counselor, let him/her know the content of the conversation and ask him/her to pass the info to the parents confidentially. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4803
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 5:38 pm: |
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Soul
I read your note and none of the others -yet. Don't know if Greenie has responded or Peteglider. If they have I am sure thye have told you what these two have done is a MAJOR HIPPA violation! If you know the names of these therapists I would report them to the Ethics Board. If you know the family well enough they were talking about I would call them and tell them you need to speak with them. I would tell your friend that you heard these two discussing their child and you thought they should be aware of it. Don't go into what you heard specifically, unless they insist. And Even then, I don't think I would. I think under the new HIPPA laws unless BOTH of these therapists weren't treating this child, even if they were in their private office, they shouldn't be discussing each others patients, without the consent of the parents. And even then, HIPPA papers need to be signed! |
taam
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Username: Taam
Post Number: 163
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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definitely inform the kid's parents. if you're uneasy about speaking w/ them yourself, write an anonymous letter & describe everything that you overheard. put yourself in their shoes...you'd want to know that your kid's name is being mentioned in a public place by his/her shrink (or whatever they were.) - and think about that poor kid! he/she would definitely not want his/her name to be mentioned either. - extremely unprofessional. |
SO Ref
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Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1734
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 8:46 pm: |
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The best course of action would have been to turn around and say, "what the f---?" to the people speaking so non-chalantly about a private / confidential matter.
There just some •••• you shouldn't talk about at the Shat. |
Crazy_quilter
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Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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But what if neither of the two people is a therapist? |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4808
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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Hmm, now that I've read the whole thread it seems as if it isn't known for sure if these were therapists or not. That changes things. BUT, I might still say something to the parents. Then again, it might cause the parents more stress. (Sigh). |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1232
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:58 pm: |
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I say you just ignore it. Ignorance is bliss, right? Just eat your bagel in peace, but next time get your bagel from Sonny’s (or as T would call it "The sun") because it tastes better. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1829
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:15 am: |
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Wasn't it mentioned at some point that Mrs T did not know the names of the therapists?
This is, of course, a HIPAA violation and an ethical violation. It seems difficult to ignore it, but what really can you do? You can't nail the "therapists". Probably notifying the parents - tactfully - that their child's name and treatment were being bandied about publicly would be the best tactic. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4809
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 5:19 am: |
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ess
It was later said Mrs Soul wasn't really sure they were therapists. They did sound like them though. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13892
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 7:20 am: |
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The parents of the kid could ask the therapist, "were you in Bagel Chateau on Saturday?" If the therapist answers yes, she/he is busted.
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thegoodsgt
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Username: Thegoodsgt
Post Number: 957
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 7:28 am: |
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Tell the parents of the child so they can find a new therapist. When the parents tell the therapist they're ending the relationship, make sure they explain why. |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4679
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 8:17 am: |
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I call ShopRite, ShopWrong
Whole Foods is Whole Paycheck
I call people who discuss other people's kids in line at the Chat, stupid. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1831
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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JTA,
Got it. Hence -- "therapists". |
Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3557
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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Boy soda, I missed that post earlier - wow.....  |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 3847
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Thankey. BTW: Your wife still looks great on TV.
-s. |
Debby
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Username: Debby
Post Number: 2274
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 2:16 pm: |
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I think Hank said it best - as incomfortable as it is likely to be, the parents need to know so they can put an end to it as soon as possible. It will surely be an awkward conversation. But you will be saving these people future grief, and helping to preserve the privacy that they are entitled to and clearly not getting.
Someone mentioned letting the school counselor handle it, but the school counselor may not even be aware this kid is getting help!
What a violation! |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7325
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 8:35 pm: |
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Mr. T:
If your wife was able to identify the subject of this conversation in Bagel Chateau, chances are other people in Bagel Chateau may have overheard the same conversation and reached the same conclusion she did. The parents need to know that their child's condition was being discussed in a public place likely to be frequented by people who know their child. It is then up to the parents to decide the manner in which they want to follow up on the information.
If your wife isn't certain of the identity of the two persons who were having the conversation, she may want to describe their appearance to the parents rather than identifying either or both of them as being their child's therapist(s). |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 604
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 28, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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Busting people, especially Doctors, mid f-up is better than scallion schmere on an everything bagel.
I understand missing the opportunity, but that would've been the BEST play!
"ARE you talking about a patient?"
LOOONG silence.
"You shouldn't." Matter of fact, not judgmental, let them judge themselves. (Or have weird dream sequences about it.) Nothing is better than a long silence for a shrink.
Next time, let's hope they aren't talking about me...
J.B. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 131
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 29, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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I would have just told the therapists they needed "help" |
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