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papayagirl
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Username: Papayagirl
Post Number: 552
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:54 am: | 
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I was in Home Depot on Springfield Ave earlier (not at all a terrible experience when you go first thing in the morning on a weekday), and i poked around for some information on the plans for the old Expo space. Here's what i learned...
Home Depot is still supposed to expand, but when it will happen sounds like it's become somewhat of a joke. One person (i spoke to 3) compared it to the guy who buys a deli, only to find out he doesn't have money to buy himself a pastrami sandwich. The latest rumors have work slated to begin in the fall. There will be an expanded kitchen section, appliance section, and a "world class paint center," among other things.
The HD wont' fill the whole space though. There's also likely to be a Starbucks and a McDonalds... maybe other stores. At one time, there was going to be a Staples there, but...
A new Staples will be coming to Millburn Mall. It's displacing the Tabachniks (closing), Bakery (closing), Kosher Butcher (moving into the Pizza Parlor, which will close, next to Drug Fair), Liquor Store (moving over into the Vegetable Stand, which is closing).
It's all rumors, so take it with a grain of salt, but this is more information than i've heard anywhere else. If some of this has been mentioned here already, i apologize. I tried to get some info on the golf range, but everyone i spoke to sounded as clueless as I am. If anyone happens to be around any of these stores, and you feel like seeing what else you can learn...
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C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2616
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:19 am: |
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A Staples could definitely do well in that location. Too bad about the Pizza place: the food is decent and the people are nice. |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2192
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:41 am: |
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Is Sonny Amster's the bakery in Millburn that's closing? That would be too bad.... |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2193
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:41 am: |
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I meant to say "Millburn Mall"
but you know what I mean  |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11482
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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There have been rumors floating around about Millburn Mall for maybe the past six months both face to face and here on MOL. One of them had Drug Fair closing, which didn't make a lot of sense, to be replaced by some sort of chain.
This one makes some sense, although I wonder how well Staples will do in a less than prime location. We will miss the bakery, but the other stores that are closing always seemed rundown and slowly passing on to the afterlife. Both the Pizza joint and the vegetable/flower store changed hands within the last couple of years. |
jem
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Username: Jem
Post Number: 1536
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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Oh, no! I can't bear the thought of Tabatchnik's closing. Their white fish salad and herring in cream sauce are the best around, and I love the old guys behind the counter. |
BGS
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Username: Bgs
Post Number: 988
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:11 am: |
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jem- I am with you!!! I am probably one of the few "shiksa's" that buy their hand sliced lox for Christmas breakfast and their wonderful relish cream cheese. We often get their dinners for two for $10- I pick them up on my way home from work...their hot corned beef sandwiches and pickles are the best!!! Their sloppy joes are hard to beat as well....
I will so miss that place.
Those men behind the counter are all characters right out of an old movie!!
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ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1940
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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Say it ain't so! Tabatchnick's is an institution! The "soul food" there is beyond compare.
Any chance that it will relocate?
Btw, the thought of a Starbucks next to The Home Despot is somewhat amusing! |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3339
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Tabatchniks is the last remnant of a once famous deli from Newark. Philip Roth has written about it in several of his novels. It is the type of deli that I grew up with, and that almost does not exist anymore, where half the flavor comes from the meshuggeneh ambiance and the cranky old guys working the counter. The great sour pickles in a barrel, fresh lox and white fish, roasted chickens, overstuffed sandwiches, and super chicken soup--I will be sorry to see it go.
The kosher butcher, by the way, has great meats and wonderful service. The bakery is part of the Sonny Amster's in South Orange, so at least we can still get bagels there. Any news on the hot dog place in all this shake-up?
I wonder how Staples will do there--as Bob says, it is not a typical Staples location, unless they are starting to expand more into neighborhood convenience centers. This is really a location made for neighborhood convenience retail--places you stop by on the way home or on a Saturday morning. Staples usually looks for power centers (with other national chain stores in line) or locations closer to concentrations of offices. On the other hand, it has dedicated parking, it is probably cheaper space than they could get in Millburn, and no such space is available in Maplewood that I can think of. Gotta wonder if they looked at downtown South Orange. |
galileo
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Username: Galileo
Post Number: 227
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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I was switching channels 1 night and came upom the Union town meeting.They were giving the final approval for Staples at the Millburn Mall. They did not name the stores that were leaving. |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2197
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
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ESL - where's Sonny Amster's in South Orange?
I don't what my MIL will do without his seeded rye bread.... |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11484
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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....and what is happening to Kicks 'n Sticks? I believe they are between the liquor staw and the bakery.
Sorry about dissing Tabatchnik's. To me it usually looks unoccupied and well, more than a little shabby and dirty. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3438
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Sonny's Bagels, near Neelam ,Pirates Pizza and the 2 new sub shops, Quizno's and Subway |
papayagirl
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Username: Papayagirl
Post Number: 553
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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Don't know about the sports store. I thought of that after i'd already left HD. If i take my son for a haircut this weekend (we go to the place by Drug Fair), i'll see what else i can find out.
And i assume that since the veggie store won't be part of the staples demolition, then syd's must be safe. Which is good, because i like their hot dogs. I don't often go there to eat them, but it's comforting to know they're there. |
catmanjac
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Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 195
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Hard to believe that both Tabatchnick's and Amster's will close. There are other Tabatchnick's locations owned by relatives, though I can't think of any in the area anymore since the one in Livingston closed, and Chancellor Ave across from Watson's in Irvington long ago. Kartzman's, another old Newark deli that had moved up... to Mill Rd in Irvington closed some years ago too. Where is a person to find a good pastrami sandwich? Eppes Essen in Livingston? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14235
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:29 am: |
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I knew the demise of Tabatchniks and Sonny Amster's was inevitable, but I'm still very sad to read about it. I love both of those places. Thanks, ESL, for describing them in your special way.
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Lucy
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Username: Lucy
Post Number: 3695
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:29 am: |
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Harolds on 46 |
Ima Perplecks
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Username: Victor
Post Number: 25
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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To BGS- what is a shiksa? |
frannyfree
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Username: Frannyfree
Post Number: 195
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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A non-jewish woman. You sound like one to me. lol |
Onarpos
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Username: Onarpos
Post Number: 31
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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Was there ever a final word on the driving range closing by Home Depot? To build a Target? Wegmans? (these are not true, just my personal dreams). I thought I saw some of the upper deck being torn down but now I think maybe I just hadn't looked that closely before. |
tabby
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Username: Tabby
Post Number: 280
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:59 pm: |
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This "shiksa" had her rehersal dinner in Tbachnick's back room.....we have always loved their food and also loved Sonny Amster's.....got a great cake for a baby shower there.
What a shame to lose both.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11490
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 7:03 pm: |
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From the American Heritage Dictionary:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/34/S0343400.html
I only bring this up because many here were offended by the term Jew and Jewess, which I agree with btw. I think we have a double standard here, although it is quite possible that those using this word aren't sufficiently conversant with their own culture to know the term is offensive.
And yes, I know I am an anti-semite, so don't bother with the insults. |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4414
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 7:09 pm: |
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Are you really Bob? I have to assume you're being facetious.  |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11492
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 7:27 pm: |
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VIG, I don't consider myself anti-semitic, but that will be the reaction of most of the posters here, if they even bother to reply. Basically, I don't like double standards.
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r2boy
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Username: R2boy
Post Number: 263
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 7:13 am: |
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This is truly the end of an era...There is no real bakery around
Maplewood to run in and get a challah on a Friday afternoon or some
great danish for Sunday morning brunch.....plus their bagels and onion
pocket rolls and their salt stick rolls....on and on....The old days
are gone with the loss of Tabatchnicks and Sonny's bakery.... |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3446
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 8:08 am: |
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Cait and Abby makes a mean Challah and their danish is great as well.
But.. I understand where you're coming from..It's close but not really the same. |
us2inFL
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Username: Us2innj
Post Number: 1429
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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I believe Tabatchnicks ran a series of commercials years ago for soups and stuff. It was only after moving to Maplewood in '97 that I heard the name again. Their dining room was something out of the "zone" but their foods were pretty good, especially their sandwiches.
Liked the Amster bakery too. |
catmanjac
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Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 197
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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While the word "shiksa" might be taken offensively, it really depends on the intent of the person saying it. "Shegetz", however, is definitely offensive, as the American Heritage Dictionary defines it as a blemish. Some define it as an abomination. The words are usually used when referring to an intended husband or wife, or an actual one when one of them is non-jewish. The much worse meaning of shegetz implies that it isn't as bad for a jewish man to marry a non-jewish woman, but for a jewish woman to marry a non-jewish man... disgraceful!
Does anyone remember the older Newark bakeries-- Silvers, Bergen St Bake Shop, Keils, etc.? |
combustion
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Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 1:47 pm: |
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Funny how so many businesses at the Millburn Mall are going under at the same time. I guess they never fully recovered from the foul up with that bridge. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11497
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 7:25 am: |
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Catmanjac, what you seem to be saying is that using an offensive term is something that is OK if the person using the term doesn't mean it in an offensive way. I think you should rethink this as it opens all sorts of possibilities, almost all of which are unpleasent.
In the end, at least in my opinion, the way to gain respect is to give respect in return. This is about one hundred times more effective than having a Legion of lawyers on call to defend your rights.
I am disappointed that nobody has appologized or even commented, other than to defend the use of the offensive term.
I wouldn't comment further on this. But as I said, I am disappointed that offensive terms can be used here and are considered acceptable as long as the majority is being insulted. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3344
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Combustion--the Bridge fiasco certainly did not help, but Tabachniks, at least, has been limping along on its last legs for a very long time. I have heard (but do not know first hand) that they were often unable to make the rent. The vegetable stand I never got in that location--it did not fit in with the rest of the center. And while I bet Sonny Amsters and perhaps the Italian joint were able to make a living, the owner must have allowed their leases to go to month-to-month so that she or he could reposition the center with Staples. That is what landlords do when they need to upgrade a center.
This is a tough location for any retailer. The location is off-center--not really near other retail draws, not in a residential zone--it is kind of in the middle of everything without being a destination in its own right. The orientation of the center means that Tabachniks and the Bakery, as well as the other building across from the bank, are buried and almost impossible to see from the road unless you know what you are looking for. Coming from Vauxhall and on the sie of the road easiest to enter the center, you cannot see most of the in-line stores until you are past the center (and looking in your rear view mirror). Coming from Millburn Ave you have to make a turn across heavy traffic that is coming around an almost blind curve. And the size and layout of the entrance driveways makes it very hard to comfortably get in or out of the cener. The center itself is very tired looking--most of its contemporaries long ago had face lifts, consistent awning plans (with easy to read signage).
Perhaps Staples will be enough of a draw to help the other in-line stores, but I wonder how much cross-shopping will occur (which is what makes a center like this work). Drug Fair, while a good draw, seems to not promote a lot of cross-shopping. I rarely see people go from there to the bakery or Kicks N Sticks or vice versa. I wonder how many people will go from Staples to Kicks N Sticks and then stop in Syds for a hot dog? |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3345
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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Bobk: I agree with you, even as I have used the terms myself at times in my life. I do not use them anymore, but plenty of Jews do without really thinking about or understanding their real meaning. There are some terms that are "common" usage within various communities that we take for granted, but when we examine them they are pretty loaded. Thanks for pointing this out to MOL.
Take the word "gypped". It is probably derived from Gypsy and refers to the notion that Gypsies rip people off all the time. Something that is "chintzy" is said to be cheaply made, which is tied to the notion that all things from India are cheap and poorly made (chintz is a form of cloth that comes from India). When I lived in Wisconsin, people often used the term "Jewed" as in, "he Jewed me down", and when I pointed it out to them they were shocked because they had never associated the term with an actual, live Jew like the one hopping up and down in front of them. These were often educated and even PC folks who had grown up in small towns where the only Jewish person they knew growing up was Milton Berle on TV at night. (One friend had a boss who used to say, "He Christianed me down"--think of how odd that sounds to your ears). I have heard Blacks use the "n" word quite a bit in relation to other African-Americans, and I know there are debates in the Black community as to whether this is appropriate or not.
Lots of our vernacular comes from our environment, and we adopt words and phrases whole cloth, often without really understanding their meaning or derivation. I am certain that most people who call a woman a shiksa or a man a shegetz do it in the sort of funny, in-club way that they hear others using those terms, and are unaware of the very negative connotations that others may hear. That does not excuse it, and I appreciate your calling it out. |
catmanjac
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Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 201
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
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As pointed out, the "n" word is sometimes used by blacks in their own circle. Similarly, the negative jewish terms are usually used by jewish people also in their own circle. In many jewish homes of the generations of my parents growing up and before (depression years and before) Yiddish was often the primary language used, from which these words originate. I don't know that there were other Yiddish words to describe a non-jewish man or woman. I think the terms have taken on a pejorative meaning over the years even though they were not originally.
But some terms started out having derogatory meaning. In the beginning of an old James Cagney film (early 1930's) he plays a cab driver, and even though the character is not jewish, from his living in an area of mixed ethnicities (sp?) and learning what he hears on the street, he makes reference to a person as a "goyisha kup", which literally means non-jewish head. This is a very insulting remark. I wonder what the film writers were thinking... maybe trying to get away with words that should have been censored. |
BGS
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Username: Bgs
Post Number: 996
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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Bob K and all....
I used the term shiksa to refer to myself because I thought that that was the word that Jewish people referred to non Jewish people with. I had no idea that it was offensive. Actually that was what I was called by classmates at Hawthorne Avenue school in Newark when I attended that school for three years after moving back to the north from South Carolina.
If I offended anyone I am surely sorry. Please forgive me.
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1431
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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BGS, I wouldn't worry about it. These days it is hard not to offend someone.
I would think that a Staples would do very well there. There seems to be a lot of parking and there is certainly a good bit of traffic passing through the area to sustain a business like that. Also, there really aren’t any other (large) stores in the immediate area to compete with them
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3516
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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1) I bought frozen Tabatchnik's soup. Not the same.
2) You all should try Morristown Deli. There once was a Tabatchnik's in Morristown, years ago. The Deli is pretty good. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5034
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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Before they shuffle the stores around in the Drug Fair Mall it really needs a complete overhaul. Most of the stores are rundown. While I think a staples would do good, it isn't right to displace the other businesses which many people in the area count on -the deli, bakery, piza place, veggie place. Will the bank, Uncle Mikes and the Chinses Food place be staying? |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5035
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 9:20 pm: |
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ESL
You just kind of proven something that was said on another thread. In your description of what could be considered 'offensive slang' you used the words with quotes for all except the one... |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1436
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 12:55 am: |
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JTA, that is the way businesses work. The weaker ones get thrown to the curb while the strong ones take their property and get the profits. There is something to be said for work needing to be done on the buildings, but sadly I wouldn't say that anyone needs those businesses. There are others in the area that are easy replacements for them. In addition if these places were needed, they would be making a good bit of money, and would not have to move to let a staples move in. It's always sad to see smaller family style shops lose business to larger places, but that is what customers really want; and they show that with their wallets. |
Jersey girl
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Username: Critterlover
Post Number: 25
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:49 am: |
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There is a kosher deli in Bergen Co which has a website. Go to The Kosher Nosh Delicatessen and see the website menu (pun intended) on the left. If you scroll down and click on Yiddish , you will find a glossary of Yiddish words and their meanings, as understood or at least approved by someone in charge of this website.
My Jewish friends called me a shiksa frequently, and meant no insult by using tha term, and none was taken. They told me the word simply meant a non-Jewish woman, which is true, I am a non-Jewish woman.
Offense would be taken if I was called a shiksa and I was indeed a Jewish woman. This is what I had been told, and I believed it.
Nu, it's true?
Jersey Girl
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spw784
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Username: Spw784
Post Number: 884
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:19 am: |
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forgive my naivete, but is goy considered an offensive word as well? |
jeffl
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Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1688
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 8:11 am: |
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I've never considered schicksa an offensive term. Goy or goyim, I think can be said in a derogatory way, e.g. "buying retail is for the goyim." I guess you can use schicksa in the same manner, i.e. as a way to denigrate someone, but I don't think that's common. More commonly, "I'm married to a schicksa."
Thoughts?
PS I used to love Tabachnicks but then I got an absolutely awful corned beef sandwich there one day and at the same time took a look around at the filth on the walls where they hold their knives....! |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 226
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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how about schlep? |
Ima Perplecks
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Username: Victor
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
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Wanted to ask my jewish friend last night
about the S-word but couldn't remember what
it was. Couldn't remember what site I posted.
Couldn't believe all the talk when I found it.
Thanks to all for the info and now I know that
I can find it in the dictionary. Also only going
to say words I know. Though, when the kids were
growing up I used to tell them it was how they
say the word that makes it bad. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3348
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 1:17 pm: |
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Yah, JTA, I think you are referring to my referring to myself as a Jew, as opposed to be Jewish or a Jewish person or a person of the Jewish faith. I actually wondered about that as I wrote it above, following on the discussion on the other thread. In my life, calling myself a Jew (however incredibly un-kosher I am, which is considerable) does not carry a negative connotation--most of my family and friends would say it the same way. Saying "I am a Jew" and "I am Jewish" are the same to me and my family. But I have certainly heard people sneer the word "Jew" in a derogatory tone, more like Seinfeld saying "Newman". I sure don't know the right answer to this one.
Here is another one that confuses me a lot--people who call themselves Christian (usually with a significant pause after the word, waiting for the angels to blow their trumpets), as if there was one right way to be a Christian (their way). For example, a friend recently became involved in a new church and she now defines herself as a Christian, versus what she was before, which was Lutheran. Or I hear Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson using the term, "Christian", and they sure do not mean for it to encompass Catholics, Anglicans, or Quakers, although all certainly are Christians. |
peteglider
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Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1951
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:30 pm: |
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ESL -- good observation. A few years ago, Falwell and Robertson would have loudly and prominently referred to themselves as "born again Christians."
As the non-right wing continued to be uncomfortable with this, the "born again" label was dropped - but its clearly implied.
So much so, that us Lutherans, Catholics, etc. may be Christian, but certainly not "born again Christians" to these rightist "Christians".
It is an inferred piousness and righteousness that makes me cringe.
Pete
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14282
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 2:58 pm: |
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And I've heard people say, "I used to be Catholic but now I'm Christian." HUH?!
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1443
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:00 pm: |
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Tom, you can be a christian, but not be catholic. But you cannot be a catholic and not be christian. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11513
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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This is kind of interesting. I think most mainstream Christians usually refer to themselves as Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Catholics, etc.
A lot of the "born again" churches are non-denominational, not affiliated with a recognized group. The major exception to this is, I think, the Southern Baptists whose views tend to be fundementalist and conservative.
In my travels I have from time to time been asked if I am a "Christian". My answer usually is "yes, but not in the sense you mean".
I went to college at a school affiliated with the "Northern" Baptists(American Baptist Convention) whose theology is much different than the Southerners and still have some friends who are members of that denomination. In the heathen northeast when they say they are "Baptist" they get a lot of weird looks. It is a real conversation stopper.  |
mooewe
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Username: Mooewe
Post Number: 344
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:24 pm: |
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An expression that I'm uncomfortable with is "That's very Christian of you", to express approval of a selfless action. I read into that an implication that only Christians do good things, though I'm sure it's often said without that intent. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14283
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:26 pm: |
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Yeah, but imagine living in the days when people said, "that's very white of you"
Hard to believe.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14284
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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Mayor McCheese, I realize that. So how can one stop being a Catholic and then "become" a Christian? He would have been Christian already! The way I've heard it said, it's as if a Catholic is not Christian, and as you point out, that is entirely inaccurate.
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catmanjac
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| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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Catholics are not Protestants, therefore they can become Protestant Christians. Born again psychotics, I mean Christians are still a major force, usually affiliated with some Fundamentalist sect such as Assembly of God, or another Pentecostal branch. And some are unaffiliated because they don't agree with everything the various sects believe in... like worshipping with snakes. Get information from "Fundamentalists Anonymous", a support group for people who were taken in by cult-like churches and drained of their money and sanity.
"Born again" stems from a portion from John, in which Jesus is teaching the rabbi Nicodemus what it is to be born again of spirit. |
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