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Joan
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Post Number: 7537
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 7:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

About an hour ago, on the way to the diner, we spotted what appeared to be a large fire on/near the corner of Springfield Avenue and Yale Street, just across Springfield Avenue from the closed service station. While were at the diner, we saw a fair number of ambulances come speeding away from the scene of the fire and quite a few emergency vehicles come speeding towards it. From the smell in the air, it appears to be a chemical fire.

Does anyone know what happened? Was anyone hurt?
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Barbara
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 7:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

3:15 today -- Car fire in the lot across from Quik Check on Boyden Ave -- behind the strip of shops/offices on Springfield. No injuries.

2 fires on Springfield in one day?
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SO Ref
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 8:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looked to be at the dry cleaner / tailor next to Shakti's.
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growler
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 9:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, unfortunatly, the entire building that had Shakti Yoga in it was on fire.
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 9:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No people were harmed, thank God. 20+ birds were lost, all alarm systems functioned.

The fire started in Mr. Gus's cleaners. He and a customer saw it start and got out. The fire spread to an extent that I do not know as of yet, however, the damage is extensive. Add the hole cut in the roof, the heavy rain and all the smoke and you have a big mess.

Clearly Mr. Gus's, Shakti Yoga, Dr. Judy Burnstein, Lazar Accounting, Medical Services Inc. and Bobrow Real Estate Mgt. are out of a location as of tonight.

Papa Johns is OK and delivered Pizza to all the responding fire and Police.

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The Notorious S.L.K.
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Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is too bad, especially for Shakti. They put so much effort into building a nice space. I am not a patron but my wife has been meaning to go for a long time. I even bought her a GC for Mother's Day from some classes.

I expected to hear the sound of rebuilding soon....right?

-SLK
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 1:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow! This is two major fires and a car fire in pretty much less then 24 hours! There was a large fire on Vallwy Street in South Orange Thursday night. Someone had mentioned it was the Century 21 Building. I just came across Valley and didn't see anything. Then again with the rain it was had to tell...
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bets
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 1:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please keep your focus on the road while driving, JTA and World.

Thank you!
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Joan
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 7:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George: Thanks for the informed response. I'm glad to hear nobody was hurt. It's a shame about the extensive damage though.

Has the cause of the fire been determined and made public?
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greenetree
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 7:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh - those poor business owners. I hope that they can rebuild. What a loss to SA.
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Nohero
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I went to drop off clothes at Mr. Gus this morning, before reading this thread.

I was shocked, but glad to hear that he's alright, along with everyone else in the building.

He and his business have been a presence on the Avenue for a long time. I think we've been customers for over 15 years.

I hope that he can rebuild, along with the rest.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 3:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hopefully the town will help these businesses rebuild. I'm glad to hear nobody was hurt.

Bets-
I wasn't driving. I was a passenger.
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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4581
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Has the cause of the fire been determined and made public?"

No. A good sign, if there is one, is that the Arson team was not called in, and the normal Cause Investigation Team was assigned the case. They work M-F 9-5.

We now wait until Monday.
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las
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A good sign, if there is one...

Another good sign is our dear George/Jennifer/Beaded Path is in another building. I am sure you can't say that yourself, George, but for those of us not directly involved with the businesses on Springfield, it is a very good sign indeed.

Thanks for keeping us informed.
-Lynn

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Joan
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George:

Thanks so much for the follow-up. If you hear anything further on Monday or Tuesday please let us know.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 1:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe some of us from MOL can help with the cleanup. I'm sure the business owners will need as much help as possible.
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Pippi
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 3:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wow, I am glad I saw this thread. I was just getting ready to start going to Shakti. How sad that so many businesses are gone. Hopefully it's only temporary.
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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4583
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Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The damage is beyond clean-up. It was a nice offer and I'm sure the folks involved will love to hear about it. I heard that NetNomads was starting a fund of some type. Check it out.

The upper floors have burn thru holes in the floors and the wood parts of the outside walls. Soot damage is very heavy. Mold has started to grow.

The FD cut large holes in the flat roof and broke out all the upstairs widows. All the water from the fire action and then the rains have flooded the building. The FD ripped down or cut out most of the inside walls upstairs.

The basement currently has a foot of water standing and even with the water main turned off a few pipes are still leaking water where a bathroom once was.

The Yoga shop received the least of the actual fire damage, mostly soot. However, they also received all of the water damage from the upstairs fire fighting, then the rain from the roof holes. In my opinion, Shaki is beyond clean up.

Monday the FD will finish the investigation, the structural engineers (insurance and Township) will inspect the building, and then we take the next step.

Dr. Burnstein will be looking at a couple of moving options tomorrow.

Shaki was offered the space where I was going to build a UPS store, they are thinking about options.

I've not heard from the accountants or the Medical services people. The business phones are dead. (duh) and we do not have working personal phone numbers.

Mr. Gus is not talking yet. (Shock)

Bobrow RealEstate has moved to the basement of another building.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 2:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow this is just so sad to read. About the phone numbers that are not working. Call Verizon tomorrow and explain the situation. I know when my friend was burned out of her apartment on South Orange Ave back in 2000, the phone company forwarded the calls to another number for her. Perhaps you and the other business owners can do something like that. I think the phone company even put voicemail on her line for free. That way she could explain the situation and not miss important calls.
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 6:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is very sad. I hadn't been in the Shakti space but like Pippi, have wanted to go.

I received an email from Shakti saying their evening classes will be held at Stories in Motion, across the street.
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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4584
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cause of fire was Electrical in nature. We will receive the written report in a few days to see if it was overload of an outlet or an appliance.

Phone moves have been ordered for 3 of the offices as of this second.

later,
George
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greenetree
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George - for whatever it's worth, please let Mr. Gus know that his customers are very sad, wish him well and hope that he can rebuild.

It's so weird; I had forgotten a pair of pants that had been there for a couple months. I asked TS to pick them up for me when she was at the drugstore on Friday. We figured she was there about 1/2 hour before the fire started.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I certainly hope Shakti can rebuild someone close and soon. How does insurance work? My guess is that it covers the cost of rebuilding but not the cost of lost business.

Shakti offers wonderful classes. The owner is a special person, and so are the other yoga teachers.

My wife and Martha Bixler shared a space in Shakti for massage and related bodywork. They now have no space for this. I hear the building is now condemned.

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greenetree
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, Tom. I'd forgotten that your wife just recently set up there. I am so sorry to hear that. I hope that they find a place to work soon.
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 8:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greenetree,

IMO, Mr. Gus is walking wounded. When I see him I talk to him, but, it is like he does not hear. He speaks and it is nothing to do with anything.

This AM I saw him and we spoke about a few things. His response was that he was here to go to work.

Where?, I asked. He said his store.

I knew that I was over my head at that point, wished him well and moved along.

Someone needs to help this guy, it is beyond my ability.

Any takers?

George
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 8:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sadly, I have learned too much about this subject, this past year.

"How does insurance work? My guess is that it covers the cost of rebuilding but not the cost of lost business."

Your answer depends on the insurance policy purchased by the tenant business. You have several levels of insurance.

The building owner.

Each tenant business.

The building owner has a policy that cover the building. The roof, the walls, and general liabilty. (Sp)

Each tenant, by lease, are required to have insurance for the tenant installed improvements to the building, and any other items that they want. Loss of business, broken windows and such are options. So the answer to your question goes to the buisness invoved; what policy did they buy and keep current.

In this building, we now know that the cleaners, the medical services business and the accountants let their policy expire due to non-payment. The Doctor's insurance company moved all her stuff out today to a storage location to prevent further damage from the rains. The Yoga shop is looking into options.

The owner HBRE Real Estate, who had his office in the building, and lost 27 birds, has moved into a local basement and set up a temporary office.

The owner has identified possible move-to locations for each of the businesses. To do that he has voided my lease and killed my UPS-Shipping store project, discussed a plan with the Township Building Department to build emergency offices for the affected businesses and is planing to move forward with the work. He is giving each buisness time to think things over, and on Thursday we will have a meeting to hear what each wants to do.

This whole thing sux for all. I buried the birds today.

Later,

George
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las
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George who is always there for everyone:

What can we do for you? What phone calls, admin work, lists, shopping, sorting, etc. can we do for you? We can line up a hundred people to help you out, just as you've always helped us out. Just name it. -Lynn
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Las,

Thanx that is very nice, but it is not about me. So many others are hurting, I'm just involved.

First and foremost, Mr. Gus needs help. I can not help him with what he needs. I just do not have that in my make-up. Yesterday his daughter was with him on the street. She is 12. This guy is lost. His only job for 15 years is gone. He does not accept or understand that, he is in shock. He has nothing and no place to go. People are asking about their clothes, he just hunches his sholders and has nothing to say.

Most mornings he stops in at NetNomads.

Find someone with the skills to help Mr. Gus, I can deal with me, and if I need help, helping others I will be on MOL very quickly.

Later,

Thanx, George
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is so sad. I considered bringing my bridesmaid dress in to him for alterations, I thought about that yesterday when I drove past.

It is terrible that they're insurance was not current.

Is the owner liable because the problem was due to the electrical? Was that HBRE's responsibility to maintain?
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greenetree
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George - Michelle Zembow is an MOLer who is a therapist. She recently started a men's group. Maybe she can help Mr. Gus.

As for those asking him about their clothes. I mean, come on. Give the man a break. What do you think happened to them? At least wait for a bit to see what the options are. He just lost his livelihood. Everyone else, some clothes.
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mwsilva
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Is the owner liable because the problem was due to the electrical? Was that HBRE's responsibility to maintain?"

I love Mr. Gus but what is this post about?

If Mr. Gus pugged in too many irons, or was cooking on a hot plate is the owner responsible? Did a motor on a sewing machine burn up? May be Mr. Gus was responsible.

Lets wait and find out what happened.
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susan1014
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sorry to hear that people are asking about their clothes so soon, to someone with fresh trauma, but it is a valid question.

When we put a big load of clothes into the cleaners, the total purchase value can easily be a couple of thousand dollars if we are wearing lots of suits that month. I assume that my cleaners (not on Springfield) has insurance, but I've never asked. If my cleaners burnt down, I would eventually want to know if I had recourse to insurance (mine or theirs).

If the cleaner let his insurance lapse (as said above) then his situation is sad indeed. Anyone who has custody of many thousands of dollars of customer possessions needs insurance. Best of luck to everyone effected by this.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George
I'm so sorry for your loss. Someone has to get Mr. Gus to a counselor and quick! Maybe the Red Cross cam help. As you said this man is in shock. I hope those who lost clothes at Mr. Gus' doesn't cause him more trauma trying to make him pay for the loss of their clothes. If it's a matter of not having the money to cover a session with a Grief / Loss Counselor, I'll be happy to throw the first $50 toward a session.

Greenie-
Was TS the person in the cleaners with Mr. Gus when the fire started?
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MWSilva, just a question! I am wondering out loud if the owner of the building is the same owner of the Pizza Primo building who had tenants living in unsuitable conditions, that's all. I don't know how renting/leasing retail space works, if the building owner is responsible for upgrading electric or if the business owner is.

I feel sorry for everyone involved. After spending ten years renovating a house I know it takes a lot of maintenance to keep an old building up to date, I was just curious who is responsible for that, that's all.
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kss
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know Dr. Bernstein is a therapist. Although she's temporarily without an office, maybe it would be an interesting kind of connection between her & Mr. Gus. She's trying to get a temporary space in about a week. At the very least, she'd probably know people.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

. VIT
I wouldn't go there with Pizza Primo! I ended up with a lot of nasty email when I posted the original article about the fire at the pizza place. There were suspicions from the beginning with the pizza place.

In this most recent fire, the arson squad was not called in so there doesn't seem to be any thought the fire was intentional
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George - I PLed you.
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JTA, I wasn't implying at all anything other than electrical was to blame for the fire. I was just questioning whether the landlord had the electrical up to code, or if that was the tenant's responsibility. It was just a question! It had nothing to do with thoughts of arson AT ALL.
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I was just questioning whether the landlord had the electrical up to code, or if that was the tenant's responsibility."

I will answer your question. The Landlord rented the space to Mr. Gus in code condition.

Years ago, Mr. Gus installed improvements, he built the space out to meet his business needs. (work stations, irons, sewing machines, changing rooms, storage areas, modified plumbing and electrical and the rest) This work is known as Lease Hold Improvements. Per the Lease, all work is to be done under Township permits, by licensed contractors and must pass all code inspections. Per the Lease, Mr. Gus was responsible for all Lease Hold Improvement maintenance.

In addition, the lease provides the tenant "Quiet Enjoyment". This clause limits the Landlord access to the space once occupied, and requires that the landlord must provide the Tenant with undisturbed possession of the space.

Oh, the Township conducts yearly fire safety inspections of all businesses, not Landlords. Mr. Gus passed his Township fire inspection several weeks ago.
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks George. It's good to know everything was up to code. Still sad about the insurance though...
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michelezembow
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A quick update from/re Mr. Gus and family...

I just got off the phone with Gus's daughter, Marjorie. First of all, she wanted to convey their familiy's sincere appreciation for all the community support and outreach on their behalf. She said that her Dad was staying with her, that his other (adult) daughter had also come from PA over the weekend to help out, and that he was now feeling and doing much better. Reportedly, Gus is very encouraged by the prospect of reopening in another space across Springfield Avenue and has been told by his landlord that there will be a sign posted shortly with relevant information. Marjorie was very positive and hopeful about her Dad, indicating that she thinks he is in a much better place now psychologically.
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greenetree
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you, Michele!
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's good news...glad he has family support too, and especially that he's thinking of the future.
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michele, Thank you.

Harold, the landlord, recently rented a store across the street to me. I was in the process of setting up a UPS store in that space. I wanted to retire, kinda.

The day after the fire, Harold asked me if I would release my lease back to him so that he could build and offer temporary space to the business that are displaced.

Ok, I'm out of my lease.

We offered space to all the tenants including Mr. Gus and are moving forward with a plan with the help of the Township of Maplewood Building Department to develop Temorary space for the while the burnet building is being re-built.

We sat down with Mr. Gus and told him that he had a Temp space and that he needed to go and find Racks, a cash register, a counter and other things before he could move in. The guy changed over night. Today he called me wanting to know where he could deliver racks and how soon.

I guess that with your help and a job to do, things are looking better.

No thanx to me, I'm out of my space. Harold Bobrow (the pharmacist Sp. from the old Maple Pharmacy in the village[now Remax and Abode]) came up with the idea and is pushing it forward mostly at his expense.

Later,
George
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey George, thanks for the update. Sorry about your UPS store though.



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greenetree
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George - you are a very special person. I don't know many (any?) people who would be that selfless.

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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4592
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Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greenetree,

Thanx, but, Harold Bobrow, the owner of the building is behind all this, not me. I will get the space back when all are re-located to the restored building.

Then I will have a store and retire from swing hammers.

Later,
George
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mwsilva
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Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well that was sweet.

I read in the paper that an Arson investigation is being conducted.

That changes things a bit.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I mentioned this to George in an email the other day. A good sign is arson wasn't suspected from the beginning. Perhaps, now that some time has past, it's just routine.
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Joan
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Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 6:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mwsilva:

Can you quote or link to the article so we can see it in context?
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mwsilva
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Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

News Record, Thursday, page 3 lower right.
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Joan
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Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 4:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks.
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John
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Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What the paper says is that "The Mplwd Fire Dept. and the Essex County Prosecutor's Office Arson Investigation unit are trying to determine what sparked a blaze..."

Which doesn't quite mean that "an arson investigation is being conducted".
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can clear this up.

The News Record was wrong or not clear in their wording.

I am sure that all fires follow with an arson investigation, then move to a full arson investigation or a normal cause investigation.

Hours after the fire the building management team was notified that the building was released back to the owner with directions to board-up and make public areas safe. The cause was determined Not To Be arson, and a cause investigation team would follow up during normal business hours.

The Township investigation was finished the following day, and 3 insurance companies have investigated the cause. I have seen the cause.

The reports all say that an electrical power strip plugged into a building power outlet caused the fire. The plug of the power strip was pressed when furniture was pushed up against the plug, causing heat, melting the outlet, resulting in fire, moving to the furniture.

I have pictures, however, seen no reason to post them.

Perhaps the News Record was correct hours after the fire, but by printing Thursday they were wrong in fact and could have updated the store before printing such a misleading article.
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Joan
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The News Record has too consistant a history of printing misleading articles or articles containing information which is just plain wrong. Thus my question to mwsilva regarding the source of the information s/he posted.

George: Thank you so much for the update and the correction.

I hope the News Record will consider printing a retraction or at least an update (which could amount to the same thing) in their next issue.
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Just The Aunt
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you George for setting the record straight. As Joan already pointed out, The Snooze Wreckered is know for it's misinformation.

But, let this be a lesson to all of us, in two ways. 1) Please check your outlets to insure furniture is not pushed up against them. And 2) if you rent or lease make sure you have renter's insurance.

Which reminds me, I've meaning to suggest to those who had clothes at Mr Gus' store to try putting a claim through your homeowner's. Maybe under the circumstance your homeowner's insurance will cover your loss.
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Jgberkeley
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Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to correct my last post.

Today I was at the Fire Department. I was corrected in my MOL comment. (Yes the FD reads MOL)

I posted, “the cause was determined Not To Be arson, and a cause investigation team would follow up during normal business hours.”

I was corrected, the cause investigation team completed the investigation, they work 24x7, and it was not completed the next day during normal business hours.

So if I want the News Record to be correct, so must be I.

Later,
George
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knak
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Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looks like Shakti has re-opened - or is the front just looking good while the damage is in the back? What's the story?
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The front was never damaged. There are signs on the door telling you where the classes are held. They're split into three locations.

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