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duncanrogers
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Username: Duncanrogers

Post Number: 584
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Straw didnt you in another post say the worst thing that Reagan did was tear down that wall?

Im confused with your confusion.
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mellie
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Username: Mellie

Post Number: 241
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was talking about treason in that other, perhaps more well known publication, the Constitution.

Would you like me to cut and paste from it too ?
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Pierce Butler
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Username: Pierce_butler

Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 6:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."

U.S. Const., art. III, sec. 3.
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tom
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1029
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

From Truman to Kennedy to Carter ... America has contained, appeased, and retreated, often sacrificing America?s best interests and security.



from the Berlin Airlift, to standing down the missiles in Cuba, to boycotting the Moscow Olympics ...

Somehow it all came out ok.
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Carl Thompson
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Username: Topcat

Post Number: 3
Registered: 4-2003


Posted on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is Ann Coulter the blond with the nervous tic who is often interviewed on Fox News? Come on, Strawberry, you’ve got to do better than that in finding a thought-leader for the right. We could train a chimp to answer with the same depth and complexity she brings to bear.
chimp
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FOUR STAR STRAW
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Username: Strawberry

Post Number: 901
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 1:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

a few points...

1) I have yet to read Ann Coulter's new book but I plan to.

2) Thompson: I've actually had the pleasure of meeting Ann quite a few times. When not on camera she has no "tick", and as far as I can tell she's probably a natural blonde. Of course, there's only one way to know for sure, but I have yet to go there.

Nevertheless, I suggest you read one of her books. You may not agree but you'll be impressed with her knowledge and wit, that I promise you.

3) As for the rest of you knuckleheads...Calm down already. It's like you're all so concerned what I really think of you. Politically speaking I think most liberals are misguided, miserable, angry parrots. They never bring solutions to the table, just problems. Despite this, it's not like I dislike any of you. Most of you except for Tjohn are quite normal I'm sure, including Mellie. (oh, Dave must be off his rocker as well, CONSIDERING HE BUILT MOL.)

4) As one of the few posters on this board to ever be quoted in the Newark Star Ledger, I will end this post and thread with a quote...

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
-- Vice President Al Gore




"We have the money, we have the power, we have the population, and most importantly if we want, we can take you down as well."

-Strawberry/ Star Ledger, Sunday June 22, 2003


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mooewe
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Username: Mooewe

Post Number: 149
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 8:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Posting bad quotes to deride Democrats in the age of GWB is just asking for a rebuttal like this:

http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/
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FOUR STAR STRAW
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Username: Strawberry

Post Number: 902
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By Ann Coulter

"Here the country had finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism and they don't want to fight it. They would have, except it would put them on the same side as the United States." -- Ann Coulter, P. 5

"Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now." -- Ann Coulter, P. 6

"If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn't their arguments be easy to deconstruct? Someone who is making a point out of anger, ideology, inflexibility, or resentment would presumably construct a flimsy argument. So why can't the argument itself be dismembered rather than the speaker's personal style or hidden motives? Why the evasions?" -- Ann Coulter, P. 10

"What liberals mean by "goose-stepping" or "ethnic cleansing" is generally something along the lines of "eliminating taxpayer funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. But they can't say that, or people would realize they're crazy. So instead they accuse Republicans of speaking in 'code words.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 12

"'Moderate Republican' is simply how the blabocracy flatters Republicans who vote with the Democrats. If it weren't so conspicuous, the New York Times would start referring to "nice Republicans" and 'mean Republicans.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 15

"With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan's premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society." -- Ann Coulter, P. 26

"If liberals expressed half as much self-righteous indignation about crime as they do about the random case of police brutality, one might be inclined to take them seriously. Criminals they like. It's the police they hate." -- Ann Coulter, P. 28

"There is no surer proof of a Republican mediocrity than the media's respect." -- Ann Coulter, P. 51

"Indeed, the media elites covering national politics would be indistinguishable from the Democratic Party except the Democratic Party isn't liberal enough. A higher percentage of the Washington press corps voted for Clinton in 1992 than did his demographic category: 'Registered Democrats.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 56

"Liberals pretend to believe that when two random hoodlums kill a gay man in Oklahoma, it's evidence of a national trend, but when a million people buy a book, it proves absolutely nothing about the book-buying public." -- Ann Coulter, P. 103

"Liberals don't believe there is such a thing as "fact" or "truth." Everything is a struggle for power between rival doctrines." -- Ann Coulter, P. 113

"If liberals were prevented from ever again calling Republicans dumb, they would be robbed of half their arguments. To be sure, they would still have "racist," "fascist," "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced arguments in the quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple them." -- Ann Coulter, P. 121

"This is how six-year-olds argue: They call everything "stupid." The left's primary argument is the angry reaction of a helpless child deprived of the ability to mount logical counterarguments. Someday we will turn to the New York Times editorial page and find the Newspaper of Record denouncing President Bush for being a 'penis-head.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 121

"'Stupid' means one thing: "threatening to the interests of the Democratic Party." The more Conservative the Republican, the more vicious and hysterical the attacks on his intelligence will be." -- Ann Coulter, P. 125

"Most preposterously, the New York Times reported -- as if it were news -- "With his grades and college boards, Mr. Bush might not have been admitted [to Yale] if he had applied just a few years later." "Might not have been admitted"? What on earth does that mean? Bush also "might not have been admitted" if he had dropped out of high school and become a Gangsta Rapper. It so galls Northeastern liberals that Republican George Bush went to an Ivy League school, they can't resist publicly fantasizing about an alternative universe in which Yale rejects him." -- Ann Coulter, P. 136

"The only definition of the "religious right" that ever holds up is "Republicans Liberals Don't Like." In this sense, it is the molecular opposite of 'moderate Republicans.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 174

"Considering the invective constantly being heaped on the "religious right," it is probably not surprising that few people identify themselves as members. "Religious Right" is always something somebody else is, like a 'son of a bitch.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 177

"The imaginary threat of the "religious right" is important because it allows liberals to complain about their victimization by religious zealots. It is not sufficient compensation to be applauded wildly on Politically Incorrect and other late-night TV shows, profiled in fawning articles in the New York Times, photographed for People magazine, showered with awards, Pulitizer Prizes, and other sundry tributes. Liberals insist that they also be admired for their bravery in standing up to Christians." -- Ann Coulter, P. 183

"Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition." -- Ann Coulter, P. 194

"Much of the left's hate speech bears greater similarity to a psychological disorder than to standard political discourse. The hatred is blinding, producing logical contradictions that would be impossible to sustain were it not for the central element faith plays in the left's new religion. The basic tenet of their faith is this: Maybe they were wrong on facts and policies, but they are good and conservatives are evil. You almost want to give it to them. It's all they have left." -- Ann Coulter, P. 199

"(L)iberals don't think a majority of Americans support abortion -- otherwise they would welcome the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which would do nothing more than put abortion to a vote. As their theatrics on Roe demonstrate, the last thing they want is a vote. Once Americans were allowed to vote on abortion. Then Roe came along and overturned the democratically enacted laws of forty-eight states." -- Ann Coulter, P. 201

"Most of the time, liberals do not imagine the world is real. Their contribution to political debate is worthless, since even they do not believe things they say. The more shocking and iconoclastic they are, the more fashion points they accrue. Liberal Manhattanites believe in redistribution of their own wealth and ceaseless police brutality like they believe in Martians." -- Ann Coulter, P. 203



"We have the money, we have the power, we have the population, and most importantly if we want, we can take you down as well."

-Strawberry/ Star Ledger, Sunday June 22, 2003


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mellie
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Username: Mellie

Post Number: 244
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 8:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"If it were true that conservatives were racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, stupid, inflexible, angry, and self-righteous, shouldn't their arguments be easy to deconstruct?"

I deconstructed your arguments. So the above must be true. At least about you.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 1566
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 8:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think Cornell University should be proud that they have produced a foaming-at-the-mouth conservative to balance the foaming-at-the-mouth liberals that have come from and teach at that institution.

On another topic, I wonder if Ann Coulter has any skin in the game in Iraq or if she is content to only send other people's family members into harms way.
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero

Post Number: 1800
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 9:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess Strawberry has extra time at work, to find quotes in a book which he hadn't read as of 1:00 a.m. this morning.

It's really not worth responding to the drivel quoted. Fortunately, the conservative press is as tired of Ms. Coulter as us treasonous liberals.

For example, Andrew Sullivan:

quote:

But by making huge and sweeping generalizations about all liberals, Coulter undermines her own arguments and comes close to making them meaningless. If you condemn good and bad liberals alike, how can you be trusted to make any moral distinctions of any kind? And by defending the tactics of Joe McCarthy, she actually plays directly into the hands of the left.


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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 4833
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 9:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From the quotes it appears she's either dumbing down to reach a broader readership or isn't very bright.

As for "liberal" a quick check in my dictionary shows:

quote:

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


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Hank Zona
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Username: Hankzona

Post Number: 644
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 9:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave,

Im waiting for a reply that outlines the evils and outrageous liberal bias of dictionary publishers. Before you know it, the Clintons will be linked as descendants of Webster.

And speaking with some who lived with her in school, she wasnt thought of then as being terribly bright, although her current self-promotional abilities are noteworthy.
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#9Dream
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Username: 9dream

Post Number: 457
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember one appearance she made on Chris Matthews' show on MSNBC. She was railing on about the "liberal media" and how conservatives like herself are unable to get any airtime. Matthews started rattling off a list of shows she had appeared on just that day. She just ignored the facts and kept on blabbering about liberal bias. She's a loon.
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Aaron Friedman
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Username: Java_drinker

Post Number: 216
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ann "thrax" Coulter told a crowd at the University of Washington (Nov. 15, 2001) that she would not condemn abortion clinic bombers or those who murder doctors because they had tried to work within the system to change the laws on abortion and were frustrated by their failure. In her book "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," she called for the assassination of President Clinton. Last year, in an interview with George Gurley in the New York Observer, she said: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building." She told David Brock that she wanted to leave her law practice in New York because she didn't want to be around so many Jews, and her racist remarks about Arabs are everywhere.

I bring all this up to make three points:

1) To be called a disloyal American who supports terrorism by someone like Coulter is like being called a bad driver by Chante Mallard or a lousy parent by Susan Smith.

2) Ann Coulter is desperately trying to edge out Michael Wiener to lead the Buford Furrow wing of the Republican Party.

3) At some point during the 1990s, the skinhead movement opened its membership to female impersonators.

Why does the right promote characters Like Ann "thrax" and the Savage Wiener? Because so many left-center types won't fight back. Until they do, there'll be more of this kind of crap.


- as seen on Salon.com
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Dave Ross
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Username: Dave

Post Number: 4835
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, but "fighting back" = wasting time when there are interesting things to talk about that the 80 percent of moderate Americans are interested in. The 10 percent to the left and 10 percent to the right will always get media attention because they're so easy to understand.
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#9Dream
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Username: 9dream

Post Number: 458
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This letter, further down the same page, was pretty good too:

All evidence points to the fact that Ann Coulter, herself, is a communist: 1) She believes there should be only one political party in America, 2) there should be no debate on subjects such as the war with Iraq, 3) that large segments of the population (liberals) ought to be marginalized, penalized, silenced, banished.

Problem is, she knows her audience, and she feeds them what they want. To some people, reading an Ann Coulter book is the next best thing to thinking for themselves. Such people in previous incarnations made lampshades and soap out of their neighbors. Misery loves company, which explains Ann Coulter's place on bestseller lists.
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lumpyhead
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Username: Lumpyhead

Post Number: 316
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ann Coulter has the same right as Michael Meyers and Strawberry for freedom of speech. You can choose to buy her book or not, same with Hillary's. Debate all day who is right or wrong but the fact remains that freedom of speech is everyone's right, not just a few. Only on MOL would someone compare it to making soap out of their neighbors.
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn

Post Number: 1569
Registered: 12-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I didn't see where anybody was denying her right to free speech. We are just having a field day comparing some of her viewpoints with those of Hitler and his buddies. The relevance of such comparisons is that many atrocities start with intolerance.
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campbell29
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Username: Campbell29

Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 12:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Liberals pretend to believe that when two random hoodlums kill a gay man in Oklahoma, it's evidence of a national trend, but when a million people buy a book, it proves absolutely nothing about the book-buying public." -- Ann Coulter, P. 103


Didn't Hillary just sell a million coies of her book?

Is she implying that high book sales equate to some sort of national approval for a writer's point of view? If so, I dare say Ms Coulter is going to need some serious sedatives during the up-coming Clinton Presidency.

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