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themp
Citizen
Username: Themp

Post Number: 119
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Republican state attorneys general in at least six states telephoned corporations or trade groups subject to lawsuits or regulations by their state governments to solicit hundreds of thousands of dollars in political contributions, according to internal fundraising documents obtained by The Washington Post.

One of the documents mentions potential state actions against health maintenance organizations and suggests the attorneys general should "start targeting the HMO's" for fundraising. It also cites a news article about consolidation and regulation of insurance firms and states that "this would be a natural area for us to focus on raising money."'

Oh, but that's no big deal, right? We shouldn't be worried about the integrity of the democratic process. As long as our leader have "character" and "integrity", it doesn't matter how they get into office.
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themp
Citizen
Username: Themp

Post Number: 120
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Washington Post 7/17/03, I meant to include.
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave

Post Number: 4870
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 12:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And don't be caught reading in public....

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-07-17/rant.html
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themp
Citizen
Username: Themp

Post Number: 123
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, what a story. It is still at the top of my mind.
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Tommy Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider

Post Number: 239
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, July 18, 2003 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, it's a cool story with a very important lesson. And it's MOST probably apocryphal. Wouldn't the FBI tail him first and then question him more specifically if they were really interested?

Still, as I said, the lesson is useful. Those of us who question our government's actions and motivations are labeled unpatriotic recently. What could be more patriotic than to want to ensure that the government is acting according to the will and the needs of the people?

Tom Reingold
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woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock

Post Number: 250
Registered: 9-2002


Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All I can say is, Holy S! What has become of our country?
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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jrf
Citizen
Username: Jrf

Post Number: 340
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Liberal trash - don't be fooled into going to Dave's link.
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woodstock
Citizen
Username: Woodstock

Post Number: 257
Registered: 9-2002


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about it is "liberal?" And why is it "trash?" Why would I have been "fooled" if I followed the link adn read the article?

Do you not understand this man was questioned by the FBI for READING SOMETHING? Something having nothing to do with national security, but for reading an article about Fox News?

Again I ask, what has become of our country?
Waiting For The Electrician, Or Someone Like Him
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave

Post Number: 4881
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL. I guess Republicans like jrf want government to meddle in our private lives more. Sometimes it seems like they're the big brother government party.
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Tommy Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider

Post Number: 248
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, the difference between a Republican and a Democrat is which rights he'll take away from us.

We are in favor of government meddling in people's affairs when those people are bad or when they're doing bad things. When the people are good or when they are up to good things, we favor leaving them alone. The difference is what we consider good and bad.

Tom Reingold
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave

Post Number: 4888
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Passing this along....


quote:

This week, the U.S. House of Representatives will consider an amendment limiting one of the more outrageous provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act, the major surveillance law that passed in the heat of passion after 9/11.

A bipartisan group of Members will be offering an amendment to an FBI spending bill to prohibit any funds in the bill from being used to search a library or bookstore under section 215 of the PATRIOT Act. This amendment would restore and protect the privacy and First Amendment rights of library and bookstore patrons that were in place before the PATRIOT Act. Passage of this amendment would still allow the FBI to use all other legal authorities at their disposal, including search warrants and criminal subpoenas, to get library and bookstore records.

The amendment will be offered by an Independent, Rep. Bernie Sanders (VT), a Republican, Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter (ID) and a Democrat, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (MI). The amendment will be offered to the Commerce, Justice, State, and Judiciary Appropriations bill for FY 2004.

This is the first and maybe only vote that the Freedom to Read Protection Act may get in the House this year.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:

1. Call your representative's DC office.

Ask for the staffer who handles appropriations issues.

Staffer: Hello, Rep. XXX's office.

You: Hi, I'm a constituent and I am calling to urge my Representative to support the Sanders-Otter-Conyers amendment to the CJS Appropriations bill. The PATRIOT Act gave the FBI the power to search library and bookstore records without meaningful limits. The Sanders-Otter-Conyers amendment will restore privacy protections for library and bookstore records. The Sanders-Otter-Conyers amendment will not hamper anti-terrorism efforts. It will protect the freedom to read. Please urge my Representative to support the Sanders-Otter-Conyers amendment to the CJS appropriations bill.

Staffer: Thanks, bye!

For more background, see

articles on the Freedom to Read Protection Act

2. VERY IMPORTANT!! LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. This allows us to coordinate our efforts back here in DC. Please fill out the feedback form.

3. Tell Others to Particpate!

Forward this ALERT to your friends and colleagues. Only forward the alert until Friday, July 25, 2003.

Refer people to Freedom to Read. Your friends can also look up their Representative's contact information on the CDT web site.

Thanks for helping to make America safe and free!


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