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shestheone
Citizen
Username: Shestheone
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:42 pm: |     |
lumpyhead..lighten up!
no wonder so many posters are fleeing from mol |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 7
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:55 pm: | |
Hey, Jeb, are you old enough to remember Michael Jackson when he sang with the Jackson Five? That’s when he was known as Little Michael Jackson and sang lead on their big hit, “Never Can Say Goodbye.” Maybe that’s your theme song now.
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jeb
Citizen
Username: Jeb
Post Number: 98
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 7:11 am: | |
I have absolutely no regrets about moving. Good luck when the first two or three murders occur in Maplewood. Support your cops.
Over and out. |
Bjp
Citizen
Username: Bjp
Post Number: 138
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 7:33 am: | |
"Good luck when the first two or three murders occur in Maplewood"? Well, thanks, Jeb. What exactly would "good luck" bring us then?
Angry, aren't you? Good luck there in the Land of the White and the Home of the Snobs. |
duncanrogers
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 615
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 8:01 am: | |
Jeb..thats just pathetic. And in keeping with your other 97 posts.
Log Off |
overtaxdalready
Citizen
Username: Overtaxdalready
Post Number: 162
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:32 am: | |
Duncan, I think using "pathetic" to describe that post is being awfully kind. |
jet
Citizen
Username: Jet
Post Number: 222
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:59 am: | |
Jeb, GFYS |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4889
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:27 am: | |
(jeb can't reply anymore for some reason or other....) |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 168
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:41 am: | |
Dave - censorship?! I didn't figure you for it...
though I wholly disagree with them (I am pretty sure that's called "white flight"), jeb's posts have obviously touched quite a nerve. this in itself is quite interesting and perhaps something to give some thought to, but has also provoked valuable and meaningful input.
I understand and support having some basic rules of membership. but please - no censorship of views just becase we disagree with them! let jeb get hanged with his own rope! |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 379
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:53 am: | |
The murder reference reminds me: Is the murderer of that woman (I think on Richmond) a few years ago ever going to get caught? It's worthy of cold case file treatment by now. |
duncanrogers
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 616
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:53 am: | |
1-2 Many as Dave has said many times before, posting here is a privilage not a right. While I, too am wary of censorship, I also understand that this is a Ross family venture and as such they are entitled to muzzle the odd dogs that take up temporary residence in their back yard. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4890
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:12 am: | |
New rule: no moving out of town and wishing death to your former neighbors (which certainly is the ultimate in personal attacks, IMO). Anyway, good luck to jeb (who will doubtless reappear like so many others do under new pen names). |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 169
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:23 am: | |
fair enough rule, Dave, and good reminder, Duncan.
two more balanced, respectful people-reasons I love Maplewood. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 337
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:28 am: | |
WHOA!! I took Jeb to mean that due to our close proximity to Irvington and the murders occurring there, if we are not proactive, it is only a matter of time before their crime spills out on our streets. No wishing death on neighbors, just a warning. The shooting death of the ex-CHS student is another. |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1127
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:33 am: | |
so I guess we should have thanked Jeb for his kind words of warning. It does my heart good to know how much he cares for his former neighbors...
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lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 339
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:57 am: | |
While you can shoot the messenger all you want, I hope the Chief of Police in Maplewood has some type of plan to ensure that Jeb's predictions don't come true. |
Redsox
Citizen
Username: Redsox
Post Number: 288
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:00 pm: | |
was out by new providence last weekend,
smaller homes in general
struck me as more enclosed & white bread(as evidenced by those kind of looks from the natives- the kind that you do not get in maplewood)
but still..... |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1128
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:11 pm: | |
lumpyhead,
I'm not "shooting the messenger." all of us want our town to be safe, and I'd venture to say we all support the MPD's efforts in that regard. it's just that there's NO WAY jeb's last post was a friendly warning -- and it was the gloating tone that pissed off a lot of people.
and quite frankly, who cares what someone thinks if they're moving out? we've got a lot of good people in this town who care passionately about keeping this a great place to live. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 340
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:15 pm: | |
I think he is bitter and lashed out in frustration. Anyone who is happy about moving would never write that.
PS In the past the Town Council has NOT supported the MPD. |
Nlanzieri
Citizen
Username: Nlanzieri
Post Number: 116
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 7:53 pm: | |
So how as a community do we prove Jeb to be wrong? As the value of his summit home increases while ours bottom out due to a surge in crime and someone possibly dies in the process? We can kiss the SA revitalization good bye also if this happens. People will stay way and this towns reputation will swing the other way. This is serious.
I have been reading more and more posts here about the crime surge and I am concerned.
Anyone else? |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1837
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 8:57 pm: | |
Re: "How do we prove Jeb to be wrong?"
Why the heck should I have to do that? I posted something positive here last night. I meant every word of it. If Jeb doesn't want to live here, what do I care? Some people want to be negative - that's how they get their jollies. The rest of us have our lives to live, and we enjoy ourselves right here. |
Nlanzieri
Citizen
Username: Nlanzieri
Post Number: 117
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:09 pm: | |
Ok Nohero take a chill pill...
Your post was positive, I am not disputing that, but we cannot ignore whats been going on recently in the crime area and help but to wonder if it will go any further..As a homeowner here I have every right to be concerned. |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1131
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:17 pm: | |
listen, no more than anybody else, I don't think we should be accepting of any level of crime in town.
that said however, is there truly a "crime surge?" Does anyone have any facts -- like statistics that tell us there have been more crimes reported this year in Maplewood compared to years past?
Before people start panicking and going on about a crime wave, how about some objective information?
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1840
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:31 pm: | |
Nlanzieri - I think that I'm not the one who needs a "chill pill". |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 186
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:58 pm: | |
Come 'n listen to my story 'bout a man named Jeb
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed
And then one day, he was shootin' at some food
And up through the ground come a bubblin' crude
Oil, that is, black gold, Texas tea
Well, the first thing you know, old Jed's a millionaire
Kin folk said, Jed, move away from there
Said, Summit is the place you oughta be
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Summit
that is, swimmin' pools, movie stars
Well, now it's time to say goodbye to Jeb and all his kin
They would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin' in
You're all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality
Hillbilly, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off
Y'all come back now, hear? JEB!!!!! You can pretend to be at home in Summit, but they could't give a #^%$& about you there as we don't here. Good riddance! |
mellie
Citizen
Username: Mellie
Post Number: 255
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 11:21 am: | |
So
Farewell then
Jeb
No one cared when
You lived
Here, and
No one
cares that you
left
EJ Thribb (age 17 1/2) |
James O' reilly
Citizen
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 12:45 pm: | |
I don't worry about robbery, muggings, car-jackings, or even murder in town.
I worry about my two daughters in Columbia. |
ina
Citizen
Username: Ina
Post Number: 63
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
Here's why I'm glad I live here:
A couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I took our 16 month old African American daughter to the Raptor Trust, in Warren County I think. A white mother, 3 kids and grandmother were exiting as we were entering. They all of them stared, unsmiling, at our baby. We were flabbergasted; we are SO used to at least getting a smile, and frequently have people rave abut our cute baby. Imagine people so isolated they think a Black baby is exotic. |
newjerz
Citizen
Username: Newjerz
Post Number: 27
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 1:08 pm: | |
So you would worry if your daughter was carjacked in the student parking lot by two teenagers from Newark, right? You might not be aware but that happened a few years ago to a CHS student. |
ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1134
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:13 pm: | |
actually no -- I don't worry about crimes that "happened a few years ago," unless I have compelling evidence that it's an ongoing problem.
Over the past few days on MOL, I've got the eerie feeling I've wandered into a parallel universe where scores of Maplewood residents are too frightened by crime to leave their homes.
Maybe I'm the one who's nutty, but I haven't yet seen anyone post crime stats that show our town A) having more crime than it's had in the recent past or B) being appreciably more crime-ridden that comparable North Jersey towns. All I see are posters who definitively put this stuff forth without any evidence.
We should always work to maintain the safety of our neighborhoods, but the Chicken Little thing doesn't help. All it does is frighten people. |
Tommy Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 256
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:15 pm: | |
newjerz, I'd be worried if that happened to my daughter. I'm less worried that it happened a few years ago. More importantly, what are you doing about it, and what do you suggest we all do about it? I sense -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- that you're saying we should move out. No thanks.
Tom Reingold
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James O' reilly
Citizen
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 31
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:24 pm: | |
Hey, I'm one block up from the Village, I don't worry about crime here. I worry about the crime in Columbia.
Remember about a year ago in a t.c. meeting....the helicopter pilot from Ch. 7 telling about his mugging and pistol-whipping in front of his family AND his Maplewood home...the mayor and vice-mayor nervously praying that this gentleman from the media did NOT GO PUBLIC with his story.
Instead, he sold his house and took his family out of town [possibly to Summit?].
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Tommy Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 258
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:27 pm: | |
James, there once was a man who heard that old statistic "90% of all accidents happen within a half mile of YOUR home!". So he moved.
Tom Reingold
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ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1135
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:38 pm: | |
prompted by jfburch on an another thread, I went to the Money Mag site and looked up comparative crime indices for four local towns: Maplewood, Millburn, Montclair, and yes, Summit. I couldn't figure out how they calculated it, and how old their data is, but Millburn and Maplewood rated the safest for both property and personal crime (Millburn was just a touch better on personal crime, but both were very, very low, indices of 6 and 5 out of 100). Summit was next with a personal crime risk index of 22 (gee, I wonder if Jeb knows that Summit's so much less safe than Maplewood  ) and Montclair was actually above the average for 1200 towns. Go figure.
As I've been saying, it's smart to be on guard -- but there is no evidence that we should be walking around feeling unsafe. |
James O' reilly
Citizen
Username: Highlander
Post Number: 33
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:48 pm: | |
Tom, big joke.
He was almost killed, had a gun jammed in his face...he was very scared.
Still think its funny? |
newjerz
Citizen
Username: Newjerz
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:52 pm: | |
I disagree with the posters who seem to think that there is widespread crime throughout Maplewood. My point about the carjacking is that livng so close to Newark and Irvington, our police force needs to be proactive and agressive. I don't think it would be a waste of town funds to beef up the force and increase patrols, especially in the parts of town that border Newark and Irvington or even implement a CompStat system like the NYPD used to track crimes.
By the way, I know the student who was carjacked in 1999 very well. On the one hand I think it is a positive statement about our community that he did not become alarmed when a thuggish looking black male approached his car. I am also glad that the student and his parents were sane enough to realize that these were just a couple of bad apples and this was no reason to leave town. On the other, carjacking (being physically and forcibly removed from one's vehicle) is a pretty serious crime. I don't think we should shrug our shoulders and say well that happened a few years ago.
So Tommy, I must correct you. I have spent most of my life in Maplewood, and I would never suggest moving from Maplewood. Nor would I suggest sending your students to a school other than Columbia. To do that is cowardly as far as I'm concerned. |
jfburch
Citizen
Username: Jfburch
Post Number: 670
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:56 pm: | |
James, it's awful. I think I remember him posting briefly about it on MOL. It doesn't mean it happens a lot, or is likely, or that Maplewood is terribly dangerous. Anymore than yesterday's home invasion in Millburn means Millburn is suddenly dangerous--though it can certainly feel that way--as one Millburn neighbor noted: "The neighborhood is feeling a little unsafe today. I turned on all my alarms."
Perception of safety and actual risk are not the same, though both might have an impact on quality of life. Different solutions are required for each problem. |
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