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Tom
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 9:26 am: |     |
Alceste, that's true; but it was also true 20 years ago when the last reval was done. Is it just the Newark/Irvington factor? |
Face
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 10:19 am: | |
Tom, you still don't get it! The world has changed a great deal in twenty years. Maplewood has changed, so have Irvington, and Newark.
It does make me chuckle, mentioning Newark. I distinctly remember the Fruedian slip made by our now Mayor Deluca. Ha! To make a better "Newark!"
Why haven't home owners who feel they have been paying too high in taxes sought out reductions previously? Besides it seems obvious to me that the amount that will be raised will be a great deal larger than the total reductions. Anyone guess where that money will go? |
Mlj
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 10:33 am: | |
I seem to recall the Township Committee stating that the objective of the revaluation was to redistribute the tax burden, but the total amount collected would remain the same. Is this correct? |
Nilmiester
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 10:54 am: | |
Two Questions:
Looking at Mr. Ryan's numbers the total change in taxes for each category adds up to a positive $1.606 million dollars in change. There should be no change as the pie remains the same right? I guess in other words what is the year end 2000 total and the projected year end 2001 total?
Also how is Certified doing the revals? Do they know the totals taxes have to add up to the 2000 year end number? How would they know until they were done or was this already taken into consideration and how? Thanks in advance. |
Mom
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 11:48 am: | |
Alceste "I'm not saying their ugly or dirty (in fact, I'm impressed that they're generally as tidy as the rest of the town)..... "
How insulting, who are you and just who do you think your neighbors on this side of town are? We have careers, families, goals and values just like you. We have purchased our homes, maintained them and made numerous improvements just like you. Our houses are smaller, but that doesn't automatically mean the owners care less about them. Regardless of where you are on this tax issue your statement says a lot about your attitude towards this end of town, and it makes me wonder about those of your neighbors. Karen |
Kap
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 12:40 pm: | |
Alceste, First, on behalf of all of us "east siders" I would like to personally thank you for your seal of approval as to how we maintain our neighborhoods. We are all so very happy that you were able to take the time to bless our humble area with your presence in order to be able to so anoint us.
Second, The "ooh, aah" factor was indeed a consideration when we purchased our home 14 years ago and it continues to be today; just as it is to the many new in movers that we've had over the past years. It just so happened that we couldn't afford a more expensive "ooh" or a larger "ahh". Again on behalf of all of us (deep bow), please excuse us for not measuring up to your ohh and ahh standards.
Third, a question: What do you REALLY mean by "The fact they border Irvington or Vauxhall isn't exactly a plus, either." Is it a reference to area crime? Check with the MPD. Fact: Crime rates are no higher on the east side than in other areas of town. If thats not it then what exactly did you mean by that statement? My "not dirty or ugly" neighbors wait with baited breath for your enlightened response. |
Gerardryan
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 12:50 pm: | |
Face: people *were* seeking out reductions; the Township was losing tax appeals at a pretty brisk pace. Nobody appeals that their taxes are too low, though...
Mlj: It is correct, despite what Face and others say, that after the reval the total collected remains the same.
Nil: (1) the spreadsheet shows only residential not vacant land and commercial property. (2) Certified is assessing property values. The tax calculation is not done by them. They don't know what the total taxes are and it does not matter in terms of the assessment. And in answer to what may be the obvious question: no, the assessment is not allowed to project the impact of future taxes on property values. That specific question was asked of Certified. It's illegal to do so, and there's precedent about that as well: the Montclair reval was challenged in court and was thrown out because the reval company they used tried to project future valuations. [no, it wasn't Certified]
Mom: Well said! |
Kathy
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 2:54 pm: | |
Thomas, Re "You can't blame Realtors, Their job is to take people where they want to go. "--Perhaps you could explain the numerous cases I have heard of where people knew exactly where they wanted to go and realtors refused to take them there. No doubt you will be amazed to learn that many of these were white people who were interested in the eastern parts of South Orange and Maplewood. One white woman who wanted to buy a house in the Tuxedo Park neighborhood of South Orange said that she went through six realtors before she found one that would even show her houses there.
Of course realtors want to make money, but they also want satisfied customers who will give them repeat business. And sometimes they make unwarranted assumptions about where their clients will or won't "feel comfortable". |
Harold
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 5:18 pm: | |
Don't blame the realtors? You should check out Realty 33 on Springfield Ave.
As usual, the "eastside" is screwed again...lousy snow removal, excessive visits by the building inspector, insufficient police patrols, etc., but its our fault...not enough "ohh' and "ahh" factor [can't wait for the cancellation of the Ave. re-vitalization also] , not to mention the higher taxes we have been paying. |
Tom
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 7:35 pm: | |
Right on target, Kathy. If the number of buyers in our part of town is artificially held down, then the prices will follow. Simple supply-and-demand. Lower demand, higher supply, lower prices.
Meanwhile, the prices (and equity) have mounted in the west; and so will their taxes. I wish they'd been involved with this issue before, instead of thrashing the CCR and fighting redistricting. |
Tom
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 7:36 pm: | |
Tell us more about Realty33, please, Harold. |
Harold
| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 8:17 pm: | |
Tom, go there ...talk to them...check it out. |
Thomas
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 7:35 pm: | |
Harold what are you saying?
Kathy your statements are unbelievable. You mean to tell me your friend could not find an agent to take her to Tuxedo Park. Thats rediculous and just innuendo. |
Harold
| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2001 - 10:33 pm: | |
Tom, CHECK IT OUT. By the way, are you a realtor? |
Tom
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 11:29 am: | |
Harold, absolutely not. And I don't, unfortunately, have the spare time to check them out.
Thomas, Kathy's is just one of many such statements made on this board on this issue, many of them first-hand accounts. |
Alceste
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 11:37 am: | |
Mom, Kap:
Lighten up and get that chip off your respective shoulders. I note that that the "East Side" of town is as well kept as the rest of town and I get excoriated for it. If you interpreted my tone to be condescending, you are mistaken. It was not. I never indicated that homes there were not well taken care of - quite the opposite, in fact.
However, I do stand by my statement that, by and large, the homes and lots aren't as fancy as in the rest of town. So what. (My home - though I like it - isn't the Taj Mahal, either.) I'm not criticizing or belittling anyone who lives in them. It's just an honest observation.
Finally, I did NOT say that crime is higher in the "East Side" of town. I don't know if it is or not, but I do think most people would prefer to live as far as possible from areas that are (like Irvington and Vauxhall).
Drop the hypersensitivity and stop reading insults into everything. |
Mom
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 3:36 pm: | |
Alceste, reread your words. A statement like the one I lifted from your entry conveys a powerful message. Perhaps next time, you will choose your words more carefully. I don't believe I was being overly sensitive, but rather reacting to a statement that suggested that you were slightly surprised that these neighborhoods were clean and tidy. If that's not what you meant then next time you might want to pay more attention to your phrasing. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. If it's on this board however I'm allowed to react within reason. Karen |
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