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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1322
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 4:02 pm: |     |
Korean peninchula. |
#9Dream
Citizen
Username: 9dream
Post Number: 530
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 4:24 pm: | |
Isn't that like a taco or something? |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1326
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 4:30 pm: | |
could be some sort of foreign dog.
I also just heard "Unida Stase of Merica" |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 99
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 4:49 pm: | |
ffof, i recommend you stay inside your house in the north, because if you travelled down south and mocked the southern accent as you are doing, you would live about 5 minutes. what happened, all the big boys wouldnt let you play with them when you were little, so now you find it important to mock different accents ? so sad ...
oops, i just heard myself say "stupid dum mohron" ... |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 353
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 5:16 pm: | |
I heard him say, "Don't axe me"! |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 5:22 pm: | |
Now, Insite, I spect you jus taken this all a lil too seriously. Everyone knows that ol Georgie is just a northerner in sheeps clothing. Now, go help put your clean clothes back in the draw where they belong.
Now, let's get sherious about Social Shecurity.
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4947
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 5:38 pm: | |
I think that's the ancient Korean pronunchiation. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1610
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 5:44 pm: | |
Insite,
I have known a fair few Southerners and I do not believe that Bush's struggles with the English language can be attributed to a Southern accent. An accent affects the pronunciation of words but cannot account for a wholesale butchery of the language. |
John Davenport
Citizen
Username: Jjd
Post Number: 84
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 6:09 pm: | |
Our so-called President: there's a guy who could have used some phonics, to say nothing of elocution lessons. He is such an embarrasment. Practically every facial expression he puts on for the camera during a talk or press conference (e.g. the jutting chin, the smirks) directly implies that he thinks the issues are funny, or that he himself is so witty, or that the people to whom he is talking (including the questioner) are stupid. This is offensive, whereas his constant moronic Quayleisms are just pathetic. The man is a total bozo. |
ian
Citizen
Username: Ian
Post Number: 133
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 6:10 pm: | |
There was a Mitsubishi commercial on a local radio station last year, and the voice-over person kept pronouncing it "Mit-sue-bee-see" in stead of "Mit-sue-bee-shee". The damn commercial played every fifteen minutes and drove me insane.
My favorite Bushism is still "Nuke-you-lur". His diction reminds me of the little halfwits who moved their trailer next to my dad's house for a summer once. Little Halfwit Junior and his brother Quarterwit talked in such slurred, uneducated, whiny voices that all you could hear was "Maaaaa...Ricky heh meh inna fae an' spi' muh milllll!!!!!!! Maaaaaa, mae hi' g'way! Wahhhhh!"
The permanent snot-plugs in their dirty little noses could've contributed to the lack of diction -- I assume Bush doesn't have that excuse. |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 193
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 1, 2003 - 8:48 pm: | |
Personally I find it difficult to see past his impish and simplistic affect, and am even more baffled by the folks who actually "admire" him. |
ian
Citizen
Username: Ian
Post Number: 134
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, August 2, 2003 - 3:50 pm: | |
People allow their perceptions to be colored by their desires -- those who were convinced that Bushie would be a bad-ass, tough-talking cowboy who'd set those damn liberals straight are somehow able to look past his squinting, bumbling, smirking, stammering, nonsensical idiocy and see an everyman who may not be a smooth-talker but who is just like them and just wants to do right by his country. His simplicity is passed off as clear thinking (I actually read an article by a neo-con who insisted that Bush's low IQ and inability to comprehend complex issues was a POSITIVE trait, in that he could make clear-minded decisions without getting muddled down in nuance and subtlety) and his stunted vocabulary indicates a no-nonsense, blue-collar sensibility. Even here on MOL there has been an increase in anti-intellectualism since Bush took office -- lots of mocking of "Ivory Tower" types, etc. It's sad, really. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 634
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 2:49 pm: | |
Far be it from me to defend GWB, but there is a wide spectrum of discrete traits that we use to gauge "intelligence" and they do not always occur in the same amounts in a given person; everyone has their own profile. For example, a person who is amazingly funny, or incredibly empathetic, or a veritable savant with numbers may nevertheless have difficulty with logic problems, or articulating a cogent argument on the fly. While I think it's statistically likely that someone with GWB's verbal skills is not up to the extremely high level of performance the office of President demands, it is unfair to assume that this is the case. Better to judge him on his actual performance.
Having said that... based on his performance, the man is clearly a misguided, incompetent bobo-head. |
Charles A. Moody
Citizen
Username: Chedron
Post Number: 9
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 2:55 pm: | |
Bush is a bobo head? Holy ignorance. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 2:57 pm: | |
OK, maybe he's not a bobohead. That leaves misguided and imcompetent. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 635
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 3:08 pm: | |
Hi, Charles. Welcome to MOL. If the job of the President is to help preserve the freedoms, safety, and well-being of all Americans, then I think Bush has been a serious failure in most respects so far. Our international relations are in a shambles, Saddam & Osama remain free, the economy remains in the toilet, our public educational system is a disgrace, public programs of all kinds are being hacked to bits, and environmental regulations which have served the country so well for decades are being threatened. If you disagree with me, I'd be glad to know why. |
Charles A. Moody
Citizen
Username: Chedron
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 3:23 pm: | |
I would say International terrorism is weaker today then it was pre nine-eleven. I would say the stock market has exhibited strong gains and indicates a rebound is likely. Bush Tax cuts, backed by Greenspan could further add to a rebound. Internatioanlly, America hasn't lost any face with those who opposed the Iraqi war. If you think so, see the U.N.'s plea for us to get involved in Liberia.
Furthermore, Bush has demonstrated a resolve to keep his eye and focus on the issues most important right now. Security and the economy. He's not a stupid man, just the opposite.
If you oppose the Iraq war. Listen to what Clinton just said. He supports the mission. If you scream faulty intelligence, listen to what Clinton and Blair just said. Both say the intelligence was suffice to attack Hussein.
No, Bush has done a decent job so far, based on the way things are now. I will be supporting Joe Lieberman over ther next few months, but to attack Bush's record to get my guy elected, isn't prudent. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4962
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 3:30 pm: | |
When did Greenspan back tax cuts? |
James
Citizen
Username: Mcgregorj
Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 3:41 pm: | |
Mr. Moody: Why should anyone support the Iraq mission just because Clinton does? And why would I believe/trust Clinton or Blair any more than King George? I'm not sure who I dislike more - George W. or the Democratic Leadership Council and their ilk.
FYI, Joe Lieberman is just George W. Bush wearing a Democrat mask. |
bets
Citizen
Username: Bets
Post Number: 362
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 4:00 pm: | |
Welcome to MOL James  |
Pierce Butler
Citizen
Username: Pierce_butler
Post Number: 32
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 4:03 pm: | |
"He's not a stupid man, just the opposite."
He's a stupid woman? |
James
Citizen
Username: Mcgregorj
Post Number: 13
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
Thanks, Bets. |
mfpark
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 5:24 pm: | |
For all those who disdain and denigrate "Shrub's" intelligence, keep in mind that it is always dangerous to underestimate your opponent. Regardless of what you think about his diction or intelligence, he was smart enough to get elected President, he is smart enough to raise ungodly sums of money for his next run, he is smart enough to avoid public scrutiny by eschewing press conferences and using secret tribunals and edited reports, and he is smart enough to couch a radical right wing agenda in the sheep's clothing of compassionate conservativism. The more time liberals spend chortling about his lack of intelligence, the less attention they have for challenging and publicizing the very real and detrimental results of his actions and policies. Don't play into his hands by going along with his "aw shucks, who me" Alfed E. Newman act--treat him as an intelligent politician who has to justify his failed foreign policy and robber baron economic programs. That will expose him more surely than making fun of his diction--but it is also much harder to achieve the way this nation and the press keeps giving him a free ride. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4963
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 5:37 pm: | |
I'm looking forward to reading The Middle Mind by Curtis White.
quote:The New Censorship does not work by keeping things secret. Are our leaders liars and criminals? Is the government run by wealthy corporations and political elites? Are we all being slowly poisoned? The answer is yes to all of the above, and there's hardly a soul on these shores who doesn't know it. The reign of George II practically revels in this perverse transparency. Oil policy created in backrooms with lobbyists from Enron and ExxonMobil. Naked pandering to the electricity industry in rolling back clean-air mandates. Accounting firms such as Arthur Andersen buying even "watchdog" liberal senators such as Christopher Dodd. Elections rigged with brother Jeb's connivance in Florida. All of the details are utterly public, reported in newspapers, television newscasts and books, yet it's perfectly safe for this stuff to be known. The genius of the New Censorship is that it works through the obscenity of absolute openness. Iraq-gate wasn't a secret. The real secret is that it wasn't a secret, and certainly wasn't a scandal. It was business as usual. The betrayal of a public trust is a daily story manipulated by the media within the narrative confines of "scandal," when in fact it's all a part of the daily routine and everyone knows it. The media makes pornography out of the collective guilt of our politicians and business leaders. They make a yummy fetish of betrayed trust. We then consume it, mostly passively, because it is indistinguishable from our "entertainment" and because we suspect in some dim way that, bad as it surely is, it is working in our interests in the long run.
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anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 742
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 4, 2003 - 9:45 pm: | |
I agree with mfpark. It ill behooves those of us who disagree with Mr. Bush's policies to underestimate him. He is the son of a President and the grandson of a US Senator. I believe his great grandfather was a wealthy industrialist. He is from the "patrician" class and believes the country should be run for the benefit of members of his class. And that is what he is trying to do. |
guillermo
Citizen
Username: Guillermo
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 9:37 am: | |
Ever since Adlai Stevenson, liberals have wanted intellectual philosopher-kings to rule us. Finally we elect a guy with degrees from Andover, Yale and Harvard, and all ya'll liberals think he isn't smart enough for you. Why don't you be honest with yourself and just say that you dislike him for his policies and would find any conservative, no matter how bright, not smart enough? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1091
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 10:50 am: | |
Because it's not true, that's why. There are bright conservatives out there. Antonin Scalia is pretty darn bright. I vehemently disagree with him, but I'm not about to go off the reservation and say he's not smart enough.
Bush is too conservative and not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. The heavy lifting is done by his staff and advisors. Most of his decisions seem to be made on intellectual autopilot.
Hundreds if not thousands of kids graduate every year from Andover, Yale and Harvard. I do not accept the proposition that each and every one is smart enough to be President of the United States. |
guillermo
Citizen
Username: Guillermo
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 1:13 pm: | |
Bush talks the way he does because that's how people talked when he growed up in Midland. What's refreshing is that he doesn't seem to care what the intellectualoids think about him. It's not a put-on, like Hilary's one-time Arkansas accent ("I'm not just some woman standing by her man like some Tammy Wynette"), now long gone.
Tom, you're right: there are some indisputably smart conservatives. But you've got to admit a pattern. Since Teddy Roosevelt, every Republican president has been tagged with the not-smart-enough brush (except maybe Nixon), even some who led rather effective lives (like maybe Eisenhower). Isn't time to give the brush a rest? |
-af
Citizen
Username: Java_drinker
Post Number: 253
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 1:56 pm: | |
Guillermo,
Never miss an opportunity to bash a Clinton huh?
How about this, I don't care where he went to school or what hick-town he comes from... he's the face of America, the leader of the free world, the man with his (or is it Cheney's) finger on the button, the sole super-power on the planet...he should learn to speak correctly and not snicker so much as he non-answers questions.
You previously listed where he went to school as if that would shut-up any one who dared think themselves a liberal. Perhaps that's the problem, the Conservative perception that all liberal minded people are university snobs. I disagree. This is a sentiment that the uber-right has been trying to sell for years: “them east-coast university socialist types want to give your money to welfare lottery winners and take away your right to a 8MPG Hummer”. “Tell them whatcha think by electing Bush!”
Subtext: Bush, by the way comes from one of the richest families in the country with a linage of political skullduggery, shares bank accounts with the Saudi Royal family via Carlyle Group, has a vested interest in nearly every energy company in the world including Enron, would dig up your grand pappy’s grave if they thought there were a teaspoon of oil under it and for some reason isn’t accountable for anything he did before he was 40 years old according to GWB himself… drugs, arrests, DUIs and apparently education included. Oops.
This guy has about as much in common with Middle America or Americans as you do with a salted cod.
I think calling this guy an “everyman” is a joke and an excuse for his contempt for hard working Americans. How many Joe six-pack’s do you know that have taken 5 months vacation in 2.5 years. I know it’s a hard job, but he only has it for four years, you’d think he’d hang around for a spell. Or is that Northern climate getting to him again?
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 637
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 2:06 pm: | |
Guillermo: I do indeed like the idea of being led by a true philosopher-king sort of person, but I just don't think that Bush qualifies. I don't assume that every conservative is actually stupid, but I can't help feeling that there must be something wrong with anyone who reaches the conclusions that conservatives often reach. But that's more an ideology thing than an intelligence thing. Putting ideology aside, I really do think that Bush lacks the overall brain power that his job demands. I am honestly surprised that he managed to acquire degrees from those schools. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4970
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 - 2:27 pm: | |
It's a quota system called "legacy acceptances." |
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