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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1910
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - 9:59 am: |     |
(Disclosure - I've never been a fan of anything smokeable, but I do enjoy a nice wine or a good beer.)
I think that this particular "product", which combines the "best" of both tobacco and alcohol, would have to have the limitations that both have. Smoke indoors in a public place? Nope. Smoke outdoors in public? Nope. Tests for the limit causing impaired driving? Yup. Advertising on billboards, television, or in magazines read by young people? Nope. Close examination of the health effects, from both the smoke and the active chemicals? Yup, big time.
Another thought. It's true that it's a profitable cash crop now, but that might not be the case if it was legal. The government is trying to phase out crop supports for tobacco, so I don't think it's likely that we've see cannabis price supports.
Yet another thought. If someone, today, proposed to start a company selling cigarettes or alcohol, where such companies were not in existence, I can imagine a lot of investors being wary of putting money into something with an unknown potential legal liability. That might be the case with this product, as well.
That all being said, I think that it should, at minimum, be decriminalized, and the whizbangs who are trying to prevent medical usage should just stop. |
bella
Citizen
Username: Bella
Post Number: 328
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - 10:01 am: | |
Melidere,
I think that you are thinking of drugs which mailinly come from outside the US, cocaine, heroin, etc. Marijuana is the largest cash crop in many parts of the US. There is absolutely no need for drug rings which in some way link back to terrorist to smuggle it in to the US.
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 640
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - 10:39 am: | |
Bella, I read in NYT recently a very interesting article describing how Mexican drug rings had responded to the tightening of our borders by moving their pot-growing operations into our own national parks. I inferred that a substantial amount of pot used to enter from outside the U.S., although that may be changing.
As for legalization, I say the pros outweigh the cons. And it would also provide for a much greater implementation of non-THC-bearing hemp, which is apparently a veritable "wonder crop" with a huge number of uses. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - 10:57 am: | |
The drug war is a tremendous success. The DEA has been saying this for years under both Democratic and Republican administrations, so it must be true. Why do we need to start talking about legalization? |
interalia
Citizen
Username: Interalia
Post Number: 327
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - 8:52 pm: | |
It causes 'Mad Cow Disease'!!!! Trust me on this one, all my college friends are alive and well, finally have kids in college or out of the house, NEVER 'inhaled'???!!!, and occasionally wonder where one would have to go to find 'the cause of Mad Cow Disease'! Mr. Moody, you must be on ACID!  |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 195
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 9:28 am: | |
I think that the use of liquor leads to alcholism, DWI accidents and fatalities, violence, broken families, cigarette smoking, and drug use. Hmmm. What should we do? |
-af
Citizen
Username: Java_drinker
Post Number: 257
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
The rational goes something like this:
“Either you legalize Marijuana or you make illegal all alcohol and cigarettes.”
Of course that is pie-in-the-sky thinking. Ummmmmm pie.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1102
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 1:36 pm: | |
Actually, the rationale is: these things (alcohol, tobacco, marijuana) exist; Should they be legal or not? What is the standard that is applied to decide?
Is that standard being being applied consistently? "Either you legalize marijuana ..." is just another way of saying, "No it is not." |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1103
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 1:40 pm: | |
I might also add, is the standard legitimate and honest? |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 751
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 9:33 pm: | |
I think it should be legal to smoke marijuana, but only at gay weddings. |
Redsox
Citizen
Username: Redsox
Post Number: 305
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 9:55 am: | |
love the weed,
however, can't puff because i'm in and out of a lot of defense related & pharmecutical facilities and am tested on occasion.
should be legal- would pump in a lot of tax money |
hello
Citizen
Username: Hello
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 10:29 am: | |
dave-
should i apologize for telling the truth about BSE and ranchers? if so, i guess i do. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 4989
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 11:26 am: | |
No, you should simply tell it in a way that conforms to the simple rules of using MOL, which are:
+ No personal attacks
+ No shock jocks
+ No obscenities <--
+ No solicitors
+ No solicitations
+ No commercial offers other than in "Work" and "Classifieds"
+ No not reading these rules
+ No hate speech
(hey everone, look, I deleted an anti-Republican post) |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 1692
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 11:30 am: | |
"you say, love the weed... it should be legal- would pump in a lot of tax money".
I say screw all them damn politicians and their taxes...
Speaking of taxes, has anyone seen the latest kick in the ass the state has just given us? There will now be an additional 7 to 8% occupancy tax on top of the present 6% sales tax for patrons of all hotels and motels state wide. The new tax (14%) is due to start on September 1st. Tax this, tax that, every time you turn around it's another damn tax, or tax increase.
So look, if they ever decide to decriminalize marijuana, then we should NOT allow them to commercialize it. Anyone who is sick and/or dense enough to smoke the stuff shouldn’t be taxed on top of it. Hey, lets cut these flower children a break for once in their life…
Therefore, who ever wants to use the it would have to grow their own. You know, like houseplants, or tomatos and other garden vegetables. Another words you can't buy it anywhere, you can't sell it, and they can’t tax you for it…. NO MORE TAXES!!!
Allow it to be free... Live free, free love, free pot, you know, PEACE BROTHER! "Y".... |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1627
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 11:43 am: | |
It would be nice if the government would at least weigh the pros and cons of legalizing all drugs.
At the highest level, on the positive side, you would save billions of dollars on law enforcement - money that would be available to address addiction and the factors that lead to drug abuse. In addition, there would not be all of this drug money corrupting governments and officials worldwide.
On the negative side, there would be some increase in drug use.
Unfortunately, this issue is one where people start with their beliefs an collect factoids to support their beliefs. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 12:27 pm: | |
yes tjohn, but we've forgotten to address that prisons are big business at the moment. I think that's one of the big reasons for politicians to not support legalizing drugs. And as to more drug use? Well, certainly there are addicts now, there will be then too. C'est la vie. But with more money freed for rehabilitation, it would probably all come out in the wash so to speak. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 1693
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 12:48 pm: | |
Tjohn,
Well, lets not discount the power of the people. History shows us that if enough people decide to accomplish something they can.
We can look back on the effects of the public outcry on civil rights, the war in Vietnam, and most recently the recall election in California...
The problem of course is, who has the time and energy to fight the good fight? Do you? Not me…
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ml1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
I think that's the conundrum right there Art. Anyone who's a big time pothead won't have the drive to fight the good fight... |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1354
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 3:54 pm: | |
THere are groups working on this - a freind (non pot head ) is involved but I will have to get the details before I go off anymore about it. |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 752
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 5:40 pm: | |
hello: BSE and ranchers? Board of School Estimate? |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 215
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 9:41 am: | |
caught a GREAT documentary on the Sundance channel yesterday, called Grass. On channel 160 or so on Comcast digital.
According to this documentary, the US government has NEVER had any science to support its prejudice and propaganda against marijuana. Ironically, the government has called for hard scientific facts to disprove its position, which in fact relied on no scientific or medical facts when it was being created. Furthermore, when real scientific results were obtained, those results indicated that the government's position was exactly wrong on every point - leading, of course, to those results being put in the round file.
check it out - the film continues to air this month - here's the schedule.
Monday 08.18.2003
12:30PM
Monday 08.18.2003
7:10PM
Friday 08.22.2003
10:30AM
Friday 08.22.2003
7:30PM
Thursday 08.28.2003
2:00PM |
melidere
Citizen
Username: Melidere
Post Number: 611
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 8:28 pm: | |
on the negative side:
if there were no drug war then how would the administration justify the billions we spend in south america on the war on drugs?
where would they practice using all their toys and their infrared goggles and such if they weren't policing that wide expanse of desert with every weapon known to man in the name of the drug war?
would the american public be quite as forgiving of the casualties of these daily assaults if they weren't fighting the drug war?
It's the military needs the cover of this infernal war on drugs in oder to rape and pillage and decimate our neighbors to the south with the full support and complicity of the american public and to my never-ending disgust, even clinton was powerless against it.
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