| Author | Message | ||
     ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1612 Registered: 9-2001 |
Dave, “I fail to see how "personal responsibility" of residents has anything to do with their actions.” Come on… "Personal Responsibility" has everything to do with this issue. Residents who take personal pride in their community represent the best deterrent against crime and decay. Let me repeat, “having Irvington clean their streets, and getting residents to pick up the garbage in front of their property is not a very big investment in time or money for anyone to make.” Anyone who doesn’t take "personal responsibility" for their own actions, where and how they live, or what the front of their property looks like, deserves what they get! | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 4905 Registered: 5-2001  |
Calm. Deep breaths. In. Out. In. Out. :-) Let me rephrase: the residents of Irvington are not to blame for the actions of their mayor and business administrator stealing money. How would they even know about it without the FBI investigation? yeesh. | ||
| ml1 Citizen Username: Ml1 Post Number: 1139 Registered: 5-2002  |
Looking at those crime stats, it also appears that Maplewood has a lower crime index than Millburn (if I'm reading it correctly). So why do people continue to assert that the opposite is true? | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 347 Registered: 3-2002 |
Short Hills Mall, lots of shoplifting and car thefts. That is skewing the numbers. | ||
| ml1 Citizen Username: Ml1 Post Number: 1140 Registered: 5-2002 |
oh, so I guess if my car is lifted out of the mall, I should feel better than if it gets ripped off on Springfield Avenue. | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 4907 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yes. It's goes to a QUALITY parts place. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 1614 Registered: 9-2001 |
"How would they even know about it..." Is this better? I don't know Dave, but if I walked out my front door one morning, and Maplewood looked anything like Irvington does, without calling the FBI, I think I'd figure out something was wrong at town hall...  | ||
| #9Dream Citizen Username: 9dream Post Number: 501 Registered: 12-2002  |
Sorry I'm late to the party, but I'm still laughing at this comment from Zoe: I am increasingly disturbed with the liberal mind set that encourages, even promotes individual freedoms, over conforming and adhering to standards. After a while, things get out of control as more and more seek to establish themselves as unique. "They have a right to be individuals." The more outrageous the better. Look at the statements in fashion, not those by designers. Uh.....those individual freedoms are what this country is based on, in case you didn't know. Perhaps we should establish a national dress code? Maybe something along the lines of the gray clothes that everyone in Communist China used to have to wear? Man oh man, you and Dingleberry really ought to hook up. As I recall, his idea of freedom involves "shutting up and doing as you're told." | ||
| Mr. Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 267 Registered: 1-2003  |
No, ml1, it means that if you didn't count the Short Hills crime statistics, i.e. if Millburn didn't have the Short Hills mall, the crime statistics would be lower. Or put another way, if you stay away from the mall, you're safe in Millburn (and Short Hills), perhaps safer than in Maplewood. But the statistics for Maplewood are darned impressive. So I have to ask sportsnut, what problem are you referring to? Or are you just concerned that there's POTENTIAL for crime to increase? So far, it hasn't. Tom Reingold | ||
| Dave Ross Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 4910 Registered: 5-2001 |
#9Dream, Please do not poke fun at the recently departed. | ||
| ml1 Citizen Username: Ml1 Post Number: 1142 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mr. Reingold (and why aren't we on a first name basis any more? If I let you call me M, can I call you Tommy again? ), But Millburn does have Short Hills Mall, just like we have Springfield Avenue, and Montclair has Bloomfield Ave, etc, etc, etc. I'd venture to say that in most residential neighborhoods in suburban Essex County, you're about equally safe. Not invulnerable, but no reason to be frightened. | ||
| Mr. Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 269 Registered: 1-2003 |
ml1, that's another valid way to look at it. So the question to sportsnut remains: why claim Maplewood has higher crime than Millburn when the crime is actually lower? As for my name, I originally had it as Tom Reingold, then I noticed that there were a tom and a tomr here, so I changed it to Tommy Reingold for a while. Then yesterday, someone referred to me as Mr. Reingold, so I decided to go with that. You can call me noglider if you like. Tom Reingold | ||
| C Bataille Citizen Username: Nakaille Post Number: 1492 Registered: 5-2001 |
If Millburn didn't have the Short Hills Mall their taxes would be about as high as ours, maybe more. Crime stats are not the only thing that gets skewed by the presence or absence of the mall. Cathy aka Bacata/Nakaille | ||
| ml1 Citizen Username: Ml1 Post Number: 1143 Registered: 5-2002 |
good point Cathy. and does anyone really wish we had a mall in our town? | ||
| Chief Bangs-head-on-desk Citizen Username: Java_drinker Post Number: 236 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tell ya what... I'll take the Short Hills mall and the tax money it generates over SA anyday. Crime and all. | ||
| sportsnut Citizen Username: Sportsnut Post Number: 473 Registered: 10-2001 |
Without knowing how the crime index is calculated a comparison is meaningless. Tom, I'm puzzled how you can say that crime is lower in Maplewood than in Millburn. If you look at every category listed, except theft, (adjusting for population size) Millburn has fewer crimes reported then Maplewood. I'm not saying that you take your life in your hands walking down the street in MW but if you are living in MW your chances are higher that you will be subject to some sort of crime. From my own personal experience - I lived in one of those "brain dead" suburbs for three years and never had one incident occur to me, my family or my property. In my three years here in MW I have come home to find my headlight wiper blades missing from one of my cars (probably silly kid pranks) and just a couple of weeks ago someone smashed the window of my wife's car while parked at the train station. The former we didn't report the latter we did. Is this indicative of a crime wave? No. But I still believe that the chances of being a victim of crime are greater here than Millburn. No different than when I lived in Gramercy Park vs. when I lived in Elmhurst, Queens. That's all. | ||
| Mr. Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 270 Registered: 1-2003 |
Tell ya what, Chief, You go ahead and do that. We'll continue to stay here and keep improving our town, because we like it. Go search for a perfectly safe place. Keep looking, and may your endless search make you happy. Seriously. Tom Reingold | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 348 Registered: 3-2002 |
Only on MOL would someone who moved here not even A MONTH ago would tell someone to move for just telling the truth! I agree with the Chief. I'll take the Short Hills Mall over SA anyday. | ||
| Mr. Reingold Citizen Username: Noglider Post Number: 271 Registered: 1-2003 |
Haha, lumpyhead, you're right. But even if Chief is telling the truth, then it would make sense for him to move towards his dreams, no? I mean really, why complain that the next town over is a nicer place? That's not a complaint, that's a good thing, if you take advantage of it! Tom Reingold | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 349 Registered: 3-2002 |
You need to admit there is a problem before solving it. Maplewood is a relatively safe town but there are safer areas than others. Incidently, the gentleman who was held on the ground in his own driveway with a gun to his head and robbed while his pregnant wife had just entered their house, was that ever reported? The irony is that his wife was a life-long Maplewood resident committed to the town and even ran for Township Committee with with Joel Ziegler in 1999. Wrong party of course. The gentleman said that his wife had to finally "take off the rose colored glasses". |
