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Jason & John
Citizen
Username: Johnh91011
Post Number: 38
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 3:42 pm: |     |
How about the schism in the Episcopal Church about the gay bishop?
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Iaowks Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 353
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 5:16 pm: | |
I think it denotes progress. Is there a chance it will create a schism among people in congregations? I guess the answer is yes, and that's a shame, but I think it will ultimately lead to more open attitudes about gays. The tide seems rather unstoppable now.
Tom Reingold
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newjerz
Citizen
Username: Newjerz
Post Number: 74
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 6:04 pm: | |
While I couldn't care less about what the Episcopal Church does, I would guess that there will be some concgregations that will split off from the Episcopal church. Also, Iaowks, I think that your comment that the tide towards more open attitudes towards gays seems rather unstoppable is biased by our location in Maplewood and the dominance of the media by the two coasts where ideas tend to be more enlightened. There are huge numbers of people in this country who still have very closed attitudes about gays and even more who don't approve, but mind their own business. |
viva
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Username: Viva
Post Number: 276
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 6:39 pm: | |
It will probably follow the path of the Presbyterian Church. Here's a link that explains a bit about the difference between the Presbyterian Church USA and Presbyterian Church of America.
http://www.livingword-pca.org/pca.html
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anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 750
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 9:23 pm: | |
This is the Church that came into being because the King wanted to dump his wife and the Pope said Divorce was a no-no.
What goes around comes around.  |
Jason & John
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Username: Johnh91011
Post Number: 39
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 12:00 am: | |
A friend of my mother's told her after the confirmation of the gay bishop that the world is coming to an end. When my mother question her friend, who is Catholic, about the child abuse scandal and how the church has lived with it and even hidden it she said "Oh yes that is terrible but this (the confirmation) is the end."
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Maplewoody
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Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 270
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 7:40 am: | |
J & J,
I wish people like your mother's friend would get so mad that their heads would explode!
The HOMO hating bigots! |
HS
Citizen
Username: Pseudoah2
Post Number: 35
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 8:40 am: | |
I particulary love the history lesson on how the Episcopal Church was create, and yes it is true. However, all religious organizations have a tendency to start with a scandal..lest we forget the Mormons, Martin Luther or the Puritans..Not that they don't continue to have scandal but it is what is. As far as creating dissention between the Anglican Church and the Episcopal Church in America..I believe we are well on our way. It should be noted as it was previously mentioned that the Episcopal Churches on the the two coasts tend to be more liberal while our brethen in middle and southern US are VERY conservative. I do not believe that the religious in middle/southern US are ever going to change. SO if it creates a rift in the church more power to them. |
nova87
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Username: Nova87
Post Number: 241
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 8:42 am: | |
maplewoody how is your statement, "I wish people like your mother's friend would get so mad that their heads would explode!" any different from the views expressed by that person's mother's friend?
I really don't see the difference. You appear to hate "HOMO hating bigots" as much as they dislike you.
I'm also with Newjerz on this one. The rest of "middle america" has not yet, nor is even close to the level of tolerance necessary. Heck travel 30 miles outside of any major metropolitan area anywhere in the middle of the country and I'll bet you that you'll find many people who have no minority friends whatsoever. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1924
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 9:00 am: | |
One thing that impressed me about the Episcopal Church's debate on this, was that it was relatively civil. Delegates on both sides of the issue obviously had strong feelings. But, from what I've read, even though strong words were used, by and large they were able to hear each other out, and reach their decision by exchanging ideas, and not by name-calling.
Kinda' what other forums should emulate, IMHO. |
lesblatt
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Username: Lesblatt
Post Number: 125
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 9:15 am: | |
I preface this by saying I'm not Episcopal, so the whole thing probably is no business of mine. But I can't help wondering: what if the priest had been married, with two children (as in this case), and had left his family for another woman? Would he be promoted to Bishop? Should he be?
I know that, in this case, the new bishop's family say they support him in this, and I'm glad for them. I also don't think what any consenting adults do behind closed doors is anybody else's business. But I do wonder about what might have happened had this NOT involved homosexuality, but only a priest leaving his family for somebody else.
Comments? |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 1927
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 9:24 am: | |
Les - I don't know the answer to your question. The people who voted for Rev. Robinson know him, and we don't.
However, since it's possible to leave your wife and kids for another woman, and get elected President of the United States, anything's possible. |
Redsox
Citizen
Username: Redsox
Post Number: 303
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 9:38 am: | |
bigots, heretics, sodomists, oh my..... |
Maplewoody
Citizen
Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 274
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 11:33 pm: | |
nova,
You're damn right I hate those HOMO hating people. I was taunted and beat up by a few of them as I went thru public school in the Western PA area...I also try NOT to travel to far outside of any major metropolitan area, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! |
extuscan
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Username: Extuscan
Post Number: 196
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 3:35 pm: | |
Am I the only person whose version of MOL gives me the chance to read, edit, or not post altogether what I've written? Surely some of you need to upgrade to MOL 8.0 and gain this useful feature.
--John |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 1848
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 4:05 pm: | |
Regardless of the position Episcopal law takes on practicing homosexuality, the recent appointment of an acknowledged homosexual bishop will clearly have reprecussions throughout the Episcopal community. Even if the Episcopal Church does not officially forbid homosexual behavior on the part of its members and/or religious leaders, there will be a significant number of persons leaving the Episcopal Church because they cannot support or condone homosexual behavior by one of their religious leaders. The reaction is highly emotional, knee-jerk in nature and very different from the way the same people would feel about a heterosexual infidelity. |
cutter
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Username: Cutter
Post Number: 205
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 5:05 pm: | |
I am Episcopalian, my former church (which flew a rainbow flag in front for as long as I can remember) was torn apart when the priest (divorced and remarried) left his 2nd wife for a woman in the choir. The Bishop announced to the congregation that our priest wouldn't be returning - end of story. Last I heard they were happily living in sin on a houseboat.
The new priest is a formally Jewish woman who converted to Christianity. Last time I went to church the rainbow flag was still there.
What's my point? I suppose it's that churches on the local level may enact change well before the higher ups make change the official doctrine of the order. Some Episcopalian churches are very conservative, but it's been my experience that they can be one of the most liberal and supportive of same-sex unions, women and non-traditional families too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that there was a heresy trial a few years ago involving the former (gay) priest at Maplewood's own St. George on Ridgewood.
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