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jfburch
Citizen
Username: Jfburch
Post Number: 685
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 5:59 pm: |     |
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16567 |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 204
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 9:44 pm: | |
wonderful speech - saddens me all over again about the election debacle. us ordinary citizens can get involved:
sign the petition to create a congressional investigation into how evidence was distorted to justify the Iraq invasion, at http://www.moveon.org, the sponsor of Gore's speech at NYC. The website also nindicates you can donate or volunteer - which I am going to pursue. Especially in light of what Bush is getting done, it's very important for citizens to make their voices heard beyond the ballot box, to expose corporate government and demand real democracy. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1624
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 7, 2003 - 10:11 pm: | |
But Bush (or Rove) knows that:
"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies." |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1625
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 7:08 am: | |
The most disturbing aspect of the Bush Administration is its tendency to make policy decisions first and then bend the facts to support the policy. All politicians do this to some extent. It is the scale on which it is done by the Bush Administration that is a concern. The war in Iraq was based on lies. The massive tax cuts that will saddle us with huge debt in the future are based on unproven or, arguably, disproven economic ideas. |
guillermo
Citizen
Username: Guillermo
Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 10:26 am: | |
In January 1998, Gore said on CNN, "Saddam must comply with the mandates of the world community. And if he does not, then the resolutions spell out exactly what he can face. If he believes that this is an indefinite process, he's sadly mistaken. If he believes that he does not have to comply with U.N. resolutions, he's simply wrong. And he'll find that out." |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 208
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 10:52 am: | |
guillermo - your point?
Gore acknowledges that getting rid of Saddam = good. but the precept for doing that was lies and bad assumptions - all of which are now leading to real costs, including loss of real life, and incredible financial hemmorhaging.
Gore's - and everyone's - dislike of Saddam doesn't justify lying and manipulation of what little facts are included by W&co. Bush leads on rhetoric alone, without necessary supporting facts or expert opinion. |
Iaowks Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 359
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 11:18 am: | |
Yeah, it's a common belief that I just don't understand. Many people think that those of us who dislike the way Bush went into the war take it to mean we like Saddam or that we didn't think he was that bad. The whole world agrees that he was as bad as everyone says. That doesn't mean we agree on what to do about him.
Taking him out of power was a good thing. I do hope we get him, too, whether by capture or killing. And this is coming from someone who doesn't believe in the death penalty.
Tom Reingold
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 643
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 2:03 pm: | |
Great speech. I was disappointed when Gore announced that he would not be running for Prez next time... but perhaps he will sometime again. |
hello
Citizen
Username: Hello
Post Number: 24
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 2:18 pm: | |
tom, it sounds like you do believe in the death penalty. rhetoric as comical as a "fiscally conservative republican" |
Iaowks Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 362
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 8, 2003 - 2:34 pm: | |
I believe in the death penalty for heads of state. That's about it, I think. I might favor it for people who sell state secrets, too, but I'm not sure.
But let's not let this drift into a death penalty discussion. We could start another thread for that if we like, but I'm about all tapped out on that topic.
Tom Reingold
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Redsox
Citizen
Username: Redsox
Post Number: 307
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 9, 2003 - 7:36 pm: | |
no,no,no big Al, you're only looking at the short term- not the big picture.
yes, the USA is footing the bill for this one.
but when the next big mess comes about-
and the Euro girlie men(British Isles excluded), the UN, and the 3rd world peons come to Uncle Sam crying for help -
it's gonna be "yo anon, what you gonna do for me?.....hey frenchie, is that check in the mail yet?.....speaking of third world debt- pedro, abdula, pavesh- think we'll have to up your monthly payments a bit...." |
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