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mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1900
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:26 pm: |     |
Sorry shhh - no wave from me. I don't have time or money to visit our local eateries on a steady basis, since I have been in and out of jobs since 9/11 and I need to watch my finances, and now that I am working a full time job again it's a question of trying to find time. So, "spending a lot of time in bars?" Wrong. Oh, and when I did have the time and money I was usually in NYC, where you weren't. So. Whatever.
Thread drift:
Topic:
People with flea brains - do they have itchy heads?
Talk amongst yourselves. |
KATHLEEN WETLI
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Username: Katmic
Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:30 pm: | |
"BTW make sure you wave "hi" when you're next to my family in one of our local eateries. we're the young, attractive couple with the perfectly behaved kids.
really, talk about imature and self loathing, thats enough I think I will go throw up now. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 88
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:33 pm: | |
shh
My sister thinks her kids are” perfectly behaved kids”, I think they're freaks. It’s hard to look at your kids and not think “That high pitch screaming is delightful” . For an experiment next time you go out watch your kids, I bet you see 1 thing that someone w/o kids would find annoying. I‘ll do the same just to see if the kids really are well behaved |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1901
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:38 pm: | |
Yes, puking is right.
How about:
"We're the self absorbed, bubble world, freakazoid couple with the herd of ADD snot nosed brats breast feeding on everyone and running rampart all over the exclusive brunch at Verjous."
Now that's better. Definitely expect a wave from me.
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1-2many
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Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 262
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:12 pm: | |
with all five fingers, mem?
what about people who use "bobbysmom" or "suzisdad" or the like as their pseudonyms. sheesh. have your kids really become your whole identity?!
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susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 40
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:28 pm: | |
Pleeease..."For an experiment next time you go out watch your kids, I bet you see 1 thing that someone w/o kids would find annoying. I‘ll do the same just to see if the kids really are well behaved"
Can I apply the same standard to adults? If I watch adults in restaurants, I also often find them doing things that I find annoying. Cell phones at the table, overly loud voices, poor eating manners, excessive profanity, whatever. Everyone who goes to restaurants has a responsibility for their behavior, not just children and their parents.
I'm amazed at how mean-spirited this discussion has become. There are a couple of posters here with whom I'm embarassed to share a town.
I'm also appalled by parents who don't try to control their children. Yes, my daughter has breastfed under a blanket. She has also been removed from the restaurant and stood on the sidewalk (in the rain) until she remembered how to behave. Mostly, she does pretty well (I won't claim perfection).
In this day and age, in a reasonably charming and well-located town, we attract two career couples. Unlike my parents, we have money to eat out, and evenings when no one comes home ready to cook, so we are restaurant regulars. That's the reality. We try to respect some adult spaces...we don't go to "white tablecloth" restaurants on Friday or Saturday night, when they are busiest; we don't go to very quiet sedate restaurants often; we bring a quiet toy in case the service is slow; we don't go to places that are mainly bars; but we sure as heck don't condemn ourselves to McDonalds often either.
We'll do our best to raise our daughter well. Please try to be tolerant when we have a bad day. After all, we need these kids to pay for Social Security someday! |
shh
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 625
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:29 pm: | |
Kathleen, that was said tongue-in-cheek. Go throw up if you must.
Mem, whatever. I pointed you out because I was surprised to hear you rant with such hatred for kids. Now I know better. Must have caught you before your morning nip.
Signing off, sitting down to a nice lunch with my gorgeous, perfectly obedient, loving kids.
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shh
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 626
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:33 pm: | |
Thank you SO MUCH Susan.
I appreciate your comments.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 671
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 1:46 pm: | |
Just casting a vote: I have no problem with women breastfeeding in public, as long as it is done discreetly.
Also, people can be completely oblivious about their kids... some baby is chucking their utensils around the room, and the parents think it's the cutest thing in the world, etc., so I want to mention that I've met Shh's kids, and they really are some of the sweetest, most well-behaved kids you'll ever come across. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1902
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:01 pm: | |
If ANY stranger in a public place stepped on my feet, grabbed stuff out of my shopping cart and screeched in my face I would have a problem with it. Kids included. This is not hatred, just a legit complaint.
Excuse me while I go have my morning nip with shhh's husband. It's her world, we just drink in it. Without her.
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musicme
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Username: Musicme
Post Number: 366
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:07 pm: | |
As a parent of 3 humans that have bad days and good days, and as half of a couple that has good days and bad, I will say that sometimes it is difficult to get everyone's emotional and hunger cycles perfectly in sync.
Service at eating establishments should try to keep this in mind. The good staff person can spot the family that's in trouble and get the kids something to eat quickly, or something to draw upon.
Parents should teach their children what is appropriate behavior in restaraunts as well as society in general.
For people that are hungry, mealtime can be a very stressful moment, and it can bring out behavior that "normally" would not be considered. For singles, couples, parents and kids.
Sounds like some of the posters are very hungry. |
shh
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 627
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:14 pm: | |
Thanks Notehead.
Mem, go find your own stiff, hard one. I think you could use it.
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mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1903
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:39 pm: | |
Hic-cup!!!
Cheers Mr. shhhh, poor schmuck.
Now I'm outta here. Sheesh. |
KATHLEEN WETLI
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Username: Katmic
Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 2:40 pm: | |
musicme- your response is reasonable and I used to work in the restaurant industry so i can attest that restaurants should pay attention in order not to disturb other patrons. On the same token I ate at fine dining restaurants from the time I was 4 and noboby needed to control us. My father and mother made it clear we were to behave and we did because we respected them.
This post started over breastfeeding and led to other issues but we all know it comes down to people need to learn that there are other people in this world try to respect the space of others. We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not but having them does not give you special privileges to act how you please. |
algebra2
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Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 1169
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:15 pm: | |
Shhhh ... I have to say, this was totally uncalled for: "And Mem, really, get a life. Judging from some of your posts (and I could be wrong, in which case forgive me) you're at the ripe age for childbearing and your wasting that time away in bars. PUH-LEASE!"
I too am at the ripe age for child bearing, and I did it. I have one child and stopped there. I have no interest ever dragging a gaggle of kids through the mall, King's, to Verjus -- that's just not for me. The thought of it gives me the shakes. I thoroughly enjoy going out with friends on a Saturday night and leaving my son home with a babysitter. Who are you to say what is right for Mem or for me? Maybe you can add me to the list of people wasting my child bearing years hanging out at bars also. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1906
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | |
Alg,
Thank god for kids! If you didn't have one we'd be spending all our money at some BAR instead saving money and drinking at your place!
Lol!
By the way, I have nothing against stay at home moms. One of my sisters is one and I have nothing but admiration and envy for her. I just don't know how she does it. On the other hand, I feel the same way for working moms, except I don't envy them!
And I agree, for me, one would be enough.
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ajc
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Username: Ajc
Post Number: 1799
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:28 pm: | |
I've noticed that: We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not We all have stressful days whether we have kids or not. I think maybe it's time to move on? Oh my, WOMEN, BOOZE, and BREASTS!? What a combo... |
KATHLEEN WETLI
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Username: Katmic
Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:34 pm: | |
yeah it is time to move on, To happy hour !!!!!! |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2003
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:38 pm: | |
Ajc - Apparently, it can be a dangerous combo:
Man Claims He Was "Squirted" by Stripper |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1907
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:47 pm: | |
We 're going to St. James tonight after 9:30 pm to test the wine selection. Can't get there any sooner, gotta work late and can't spend ALL my time at bars!
Cheeeeers..... |
bak
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Username: Bak
Post Number: 351
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 3:57 pm: | |
I think most parents, like me, have their own ideas of where an appropriate venue is for the kids, depending on so many factors. Here are a few of our own:
-I take my 5 and 3 year old food shopping every Sunday so my wife can be alone with the 3-month old. On average, they are well behaved and have fun. The food shopping has to be done anyway.
-We will get a sitter for the two older girls, and take the baby to Verjus or Brix or anyplace for that matter, ONLY because he is a very mellow kid. If he was not, we'd be home or at some child-friendly restaurant.
-My wife breastfeeds in public. She's so discreet about it, covering everything with a blanket that many times I don't notice.
-If I'm in a restaurant or supermarket and my kid(s) is behaving inappropriately, trust me: I feel worse than you do.
In return for food shopping on Sunday, I'm off to the pub.
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mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 1908
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2003 - 4:18 pm: | |
I'm the young Scarlett O'Hara type in my child bearing years, in the corner window surrounded by breast fed young men. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 109
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 11:20 am: | |
http://www.pubcrawler.com/Template/ReviewWC.cfm/flat/BREWERID=101834 |
redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 103
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 7:53 pm: | |
The point I find very amusing is every person that is complaining about kids, doesn't have any. Why don't you take mine for a week, and then see if you complain? Parents have to pick their battles. I am going to take my kids shopping, because they enjoy it. I am going to take them out to dinner, because they enjoy it.
mem you said parents need to tell their kids no. Do you really think parents don't say no?? Are you kidding me? Put yourself in the parents shoes. Of course they say no. I am sure there are a few parents out there that don't, but the majority of them do. What you don't understand, not being a parent, is that sometimes your kids will pick the most inopportune (sp?)time to act up. And there is nothing you can do about it.
My son on a flight was screaming straight for four hours. I felt horrible. But nothing I did would apease him. He didn't want to be held, he didn't want to eat, he didn't want to sit, he didn't want his toys, nothing. I wasn't being a bad parent, he just wanted to scream.
Not being a parent those who posted wouldn't know this. They think we are all sticking our heads in a bag and ignoring the situation. Live in my shoes for a week, and I promise you, you won't feel that way again.
Yes I agree there are times and places for children. Nice restaraunts are not one of them. If breastfeeding gives you the willies, look away. You may not like it, but I am sure the mother doesn't want to be stuck inside for the next year, because she has to nurse. She has every right to go out and enjoy herself.
Okay, I am done ranting. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 116
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:09 pm: | |
red:
The reason that we are complaining is “Because” we don’t have kids. I think the argument is not that you’re a bad parent, but those of us with out kids have chosen that route because we don’t want to hear a child scream for four hours.
I’m not trying to be mean, but there is something you can do about your child screaming on a flight, don’t bring them. My complaint is this:
I expect a child to be on a plane at reasonable hours 9am-5pm but if I’m leaving on a business trip at 6am, keep your kid in bed, or flying home from Vegas at 10:30pm, your child should not be on that flight. As for breast feeding, I won’t whip anything out if you don’t.
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redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 104
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:30 pm: | |
Brett-- I know you are not trying to be mean, because I was once in your shoes. My husband and I made a choice not to have kids and were on a flight with children that wouldn't stop crying. I was annoyed as hell. But understand it is a fact of life, that is the way children are.
Obviously we changed our mind and now see the other point of view. Yes, I could have not brought my son to see my parents. But, I don't think that is a good choice. I want him to know his relatives. I am from out west, so I will be flying with both my kids for visits. I think that is outrageous to suggest not to bring them. I do however agree that there should be flights that are for adults only. I also think that children should be a certain age before they fly in first class.
As for the flight times, I like to fly at 10:30 pm because my children sleep. Flying home a couple of weeks ago, both my kids fell asleep for the entire flight. It made it easy for me and fellow passengers. Just because your are flying for business, doesn't give you the right to pick the best times to fly. Every child is different, every child has different needs, and wants. The point is as a non-parent you don't understand that you can't plan a child's behavior. They are individuals, with moods and needs just like you.
You can choose not to fly too if it bothers you that much. |
redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 105
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:31 pm: | |
On another note....
Wasn't it illegal for the owners to kick 3mom out? |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 119
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:45 pm: | |
Believe me I would love to not have to fly, but it’s an unfortunate necessity to my business. Would you be opposed to a no minors under 15 years old flight, maybe the second to last flight of the day? I understand the 10:30 sleeping child flight, but what percentage of those children really sleep?
As for the business flyer getting to pick the best flight, I’ve heard many times that airlines constantly cater to us. I fly 3 or 4 times a month, on short notice (full fare), usually returning the same day. Frequent flyer miles are mainly for business men that want to get free upgrades and free tickets, not for the casual traveler. We talk our companies into booking with a carrier. Last week I booked a flight to Texas 20 min before departure, airlines love what they can charge for that.
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redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 107
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:52 pm: | |
I wouldn't be opposed to any flight, any time that they made only for adults. If I were flying by myself and stuck with screaming kids, it would grate on my nerves too. I just don't think it is feasable for the airlines.
I used my frequent flyer miles to fly out west, and they did not cater to me. I didn't get to pick the flight times, I just took what I could get.
They must have charged you an arm and a leg to go to Texas! |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 120
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 8, 2003 - 8:57 pm: | |
That's what expense reports are for.
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duncanrogers
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 734
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 9, 2003 - 5:29 am: | |
Calling the thread drift police |
3mom
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Username: 3mom
Post Number: 104
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 9:31 am: | |
Who knew the tornado that one post could whip up?
Red: I was so angry at the horrible Gaslight owners that I called the police and asked whether what they did was illegal and found out that, because the restaurant is a privately owned place, their behavior was not illegal. |
ashear
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Username: Ashear
Post Number: 687
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 9:56 am: | |
The police were wrong. NJ Stat 26:4B-4 states that "Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, a mother shall be entitled to breast feed her baby in any location of a place of public accommodation, resort or amusement wherein the mother is otherwise permitted."
A restaraunt is a place of public accomodation. Under the statute enfrocement is via a written complaint to the local board of health. Its a big old $25 fine for the first offense maxing out at $200 for third and up. |
3mom
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Username: 3mom
Post Number: 105
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 10:23 am: | |
Ashear, thanks very much for the clarification! I wonder if it's too late to file a complaint? |
redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 110
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 10:54 am: | |
You should just try for the principle of it. The owners of the Gaslight are so unfriendly. I was talking about this to another friend, and he had a bad time as well. He went in with his two kids for an early dinner, and asked for a table. They said that couldn't seat him, yet there were only two people in the dining room. He just looked at the hostess and said he would never dine there again, and it was their loss. |
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