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Ffof
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 2:08 pm: |     |
Bacata- If you'd like to know, our personal income has gone down over the last ten years, but that doesn't seem to be a concern of yours since you'd like us all to start weeping every time you mention how hard it was to finance your home and how hard it is for you to do any improvements to your home. You know nothing of me nor my pocket, nor do you need to know anymore than I'm telling.
What are you trying to argue anyway? I haven't said that there should be no reassessment. All signs point to "yes"! But I'd like our TC to support any phase-in that would properly be allowed under law. And I'm glad Jerry is working on it. If you don't like phase-ins, I'm sorry.
Ffof |
Jfb
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 2:31 pm: | |
Mr. Eb1104,
You seem to harp on that ole I've been paying for the last ten years unfairly.
As I've said before, the imbalance has been with us for a while but only recently has it gotten out of control.
And, what about me who lived in a small house overpaying my taxes on the east side of town for nine years, do I get a rebate? No. But I knew what the taxes were when I bought the home. Just like you. So please don't break out the violins about how you've been overpaying. You were free to sell and move, just like I was. |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 2:35 pm: | |
"And, in light of these HUGE (bottom-line) amounts of taxes for some, that just maybe this act is totally worthwhile.
This act is only "totally worthwhile" for those, like you, whose taxes are going up.
It is NOT "totally worthwhile" for anyone else!
"Bottom Line" we all have to pay our share whether it's fair or not it's the law!
Furthermore, I don't think that this law/act is going to be passed in time to meet the Feb. 28th deadline, then what? |
Ffof
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 2:52 pm: | |
Ooh, gee, Yvette, I guess I'll pay my tax bill! But I won't start blaming those getting the decreases for any future financial problems that I may incur because of my Boatload-size tax payments!
Ffof |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:01 pm: | |
Ffof, I am sorry you feel that way, and I am SORRY that your taxes are sky-rocketing, but your missing the point. Now correct me if I am wrong, I get the impression that you think someones decrease is the justification for your increase....and that's just NOT true! Even if some were not getting a decrease you would still get an increase maybe not as much, but you would still get one because your house valued improved. |
Ffof
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:20 pm: | |
Look, more than once on this board many, and most recently Eb1154 and Bacata, have said that my (or anyone's) increase is justified because it rights the wrong of their paying higher taxes in proportion to their assessments for all these years. I argue that I (or anyone ) is not to blame for whatever financial situation you (or whoever) are in because of the taxes! The increase is horrendous, that's what I'm lamenting. So please, everybody, stop saying in that whiny voice "you gotta pay your fair share"! As the kids say, DUH! But it doesn't prevent me or the TC from investigating the flaws of Certified, etc, ad nauseum, ipso facto, e pluribus unum, and having the TC seriously look in to a LEGAL phase-in opportunity.
Ffof |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:22 pm: | |
Yvette, I don't understand your new math.
Since tax reassessments are zero-sum, if one goes up, AT LEAST one must go down. |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:40 pm: | |
NJ - your right the taxes are a zero sum game, but the rate basically determines how much everyone pays.
What I was referring to Ffof is that his increase is based on his value times the rate not because some taxes are going down. Taxes are going down because of the rate, some people are paying 10% and others are paying 3, 4, 5% that's why there are inequities. If everyone pays the same rate of course some taxes are going to go up and others will go down automatically.
But if some houses are valued higher than the rate would go down and some taxes would go up as high.
I hope I made this clear??? |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:43 pm: | |
Yvette, you're mistaken, I'm sorry to say. Ffof's taxes (as well as mine!) are going up EXACTLY because someone else's are going down.
THE RATE THAT WE PAY IS THE SAME. For 2000, I believe it was 10.54%. For 2001, it will probably be between 2.8% and 3%, but that's a guess. Everyone will pay the same rate.
Where did you learn about taxes in Maplewood? I suggest you get your money back, because they told you lies. |
Overtaxdalready
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:44 pm: | |
Everyone is currently paying 10% (approx). After the reval, everyone will be paying 2.75% or 2.9% or whatever the rate turns out to be (it has not been set yet). It's a uniform rate charged against assessed value, and it's the same for everyone. |
Nakaille
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:54 pm: | |
It's not about justification. It's the law. DUH! Some have been overpaying and some have been underpaying. It is time for that to STOP. NOW!
And no, I don't support a PHASE-IN because then I'm still loaning the underpayers money by overpaying on my share. It really is that simple. I am not a bank or other lending institution. And nobody is ever going to offer pay me back (with interest, hah!) for what I've already lost. I don't expect you to. So stop expecting me to finance your phase in.
I have a feeling you'd be in court in two seconds if you were in my shoes. Harm has already occurred, to me and my family and many other Maplewood families. For you to start paying what the law says you are liable for is not harm, it is your fair share, like it or not. For me to continue to pay more than my fair share UNDER THE LAW so that you can be more comfortable is ridiculous, illegal and completely unjustifiable. Too bad you don't like hearing about my finances. That's reality, too. DUH!
Be a grown up and go apply for a loan if you need one. If you decide you cannot afford your current taxes, move. To another part of town. Or another town altogether. Your choice. Talk about whining! No, I'm not being helpful. Are you being helpful to me? No. You want your money and I want mine. Except you want to circumvent the law to get yours.
Bacata |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 3:57 pm: | |
I disagree, your taxes are not going up because someone elses is going down. Your taxes are going up because the value of your house has gone up and the percentage of that value is more than what you are paying now.
Others are going down not because their house value has decreased, but because they are currently paying more than what the house is worth even with the valued increase.
If you do the math --- what you pay now in taxes and what your house is worth the rate is NOT 10%!!
If it were your taxes wouldn't be going up so much. |
Maggie
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:02 pm: | |
Yvette
The 10.64% (or thereabouts) rate we are all currently paying is based on our 1981 assessments. |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:02 pm: | |
Nj - it's not nice to make fun of people...so let's not go there! |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:07 pm: | |
Yvette, you are out-of-touch with taxes. My current assessment is $98K. My taxes for 2000 were slightly over $10K. Do the math.
My NEW assessment is $375K. The new rate, not yet determined, will be around 3%.
If Bacata's taxes, and others, didn't go down, then why would mine go up? Yes, market value of the houses is the driving force. We're not talking about increases or decreases in market value that brings about these changes. We're talking about rate of increases in market values since 1981. My house appreciated faster than others, and less than others. If we all appreciated 300%, we'd all pay the same tax we do today. It is not because the value of my house went up. Even Bacata would admit that the value of houses in her neighbohood went up since the last assessment. Noone can pay additional taxes unless someone else pays less, and vice versa.
I'm not complaining that my taxes are going up, by any means. They are fair. They are based on what I feel is an objective appraisal of my house. So I will pay them. That's fair. |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:10 pm: | |
Yvette, I'm not making fun of you. |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:12 pm: | |
Exactly, and that's why the reval was done.
Yeah, you might be paying 10% of the 81 assessment, but you (in general) bought your house for maybe 3x as much and thus now you are paying less than 10% based on the present value. |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:15 pm: | |
No, Yvette, the 2001 assessment is not yet in place. We are still paying taxes at the 10.54% against the 1981 taxes.
Even when the 2001 assessment is in place (if it ever gets there), we will ALL be paying the same rate. |
Yvette
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:16 pm: | |
Nj- I am not out of touch with taxes,with the numbers you supplied you should be agreeing that we all didn't pay the same rate. |
Njjoseph
| | Posted on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 4:18 pm: | |
What is your assessment, and what are your taxes?
Can someone else explain this to Yvette? I've tried, but I guess I'm not saying it right.
If we all pay different rates, what are they? |
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