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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1778
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:49 am: |     |
Unfortunately, that ad, Nohero, was so tasteless it would make me vote for George. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2664
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:51 am: | |
Well, maybe Straw will find it amusing ... |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2583
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:54 am: | |
Wow. That was awful, and combined with Hilary's latest remark that Hindu people are all gas station attendants, as well as all these buffoons in the democratic party, I am seriously considering changing my party registration. Enough is enough. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1739
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:54 am: | |
The creator identifies himself as "one half of the political satire duo Spittle & Ink." [emphasis added] |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1780
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:59 am: | |
that was not satirical. Satirical would have been funny. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 121
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:24 pm: | |
I thought it was funny. And while it is decidedly anti-Bush, it satirizes political ads in general. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 436
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:28 pm: | |
I thought it was funny too. Didn't anyone else think the last 10 seconds were a parody of political attack ads, or did you actually think those were meant as real criticisms of Bush? |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2584
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:33 pm: | |
I just didn't think it was funny. I don't like Clinton, but if the same ad was applied to him, I would think it was just as bad. Politics suck. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 122
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:40 pm: | |
"Politics Suck."
One might say that's precisely the point the ad is making. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4227
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:40 pm: | |
Nohero I am totally, completely ashamed of you for posting such garbage!!!! |
Yogi
Citizen
Username: Yogi
Post Number: 41
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:43 pm: | |
if one watching one stupid ad by a nobody will make you want to change political affiliation, you probably should have changed a long time ago |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 437
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:43 pm: | |
I'm sorry, but it's funny. I watched it a second time and I laughed again.
It's such a wonderful sendup of all shallow, pandering, overwrought political attack ads. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2585
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:46 pm: | |
I can change like the wind if I want. And guess what - I have.
And sorry, I happen to not find anything funny when referencing 9/11. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 438
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:47 pm: | |
it's funny a third time too.
The ominous music, the narration, the tight close up on his eyes, the unflattering photos, and then the over-the-top character assasination as a closer.
It's a only an exaggeration of the tactics used by hack political advertisers everywhere. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2586
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:50 pm: | |
I wish I had the luxury to notice all these cute, clever "innovative" little aspects, but the mention of 9/11 just gets in the way for me. Go ahead, be mean and flame away. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 302
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 12:55 pm: | |
that was hilarious.
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 439
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:06 pm: | |
mem,
I certainly understand if the mention of 9/11 is upsetting to you.
apparently however, you think I'm callous because the mention of 9/11 (even if it's not the point of the ad) wasn't entirely distracting to me. I'm sorry if you believe that. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:10 pm: | |
WO'B and others - duh with the music, narration, etc, but it's just potty humor. Naughty words passing for humor just doesn't do it for me. It reminds me of Dan Ackroyd's "Jane, you ignorant slut...", but that was funny. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 440
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:13 pm: | |
personally, I hate "potty humor" if it's just for the sake of shock value. I just thought there was a satirical point to it in this case.
whatever. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1782
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:13 pm: | |
okay. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2665
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:38 pm: | |
Yes, the point was that it satirized those "serious" attack ads.
Such as, the actual ad used against former Senator Max Cleland (decorated Viet Nam vet), associating him with Bin Laden just because Senator Cleland disagreed with some aspects of the Homeland Security bill. That was genuinely "tasteless".
Or, the actual ad which has been running (with the requisite ominous music and pictures moving across the screen) which solemnly states: "Some are now attacking the President for attacking the terrorists." In other words, if you disagree with the President, you're pro-terrorist. That was genuinely "tasteless".
There will in all likelihood be more of such ads, actually broadcast in the upcoming campaign. The satire which we're talking about is right on the money. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 304
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:41 pm: | |
personally, I only find things funny if they make me laugh.
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 306
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 2:13 pm: | |
Here is a joke just sent to me from a buddy(author unknown).
How do you tell the difference between Liberals, Conservatives and
Southerners? Pose the following question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around
the
corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and
charges.
You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere
seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
Liberal Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man
look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire
him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the
kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like
a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about
this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this
send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just
killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound
me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away
while
he was stabbing me? Should I call 911?
Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and
weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage
such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some
friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
Conservative Answer:
BANG!
Southerner's Answer :
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click... (sounds of reloading).
Wife: "Hon, he looks like he's still moving, whadda y'all kids think?"
Son: "Mama's right Daddy, I saw it, too." BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click.
Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 594
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 2:15 pm: | |
I'm just glad Nohero is showing his true colors instead of pretending to be the high-minded and fair thinking centrist of MOL instead of the Bush/Republican hater he really is. I wonder how funny and clever everyone would think if it was about Dean or Clinton. Don't even bother... |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2587
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 2:27 pm: | |
Boogie,
I certainly don't think your post was callous, - I was just explaining why I didn't think it was funny. That's all. Sorry if you took it that way... |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2666
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 2:54 pm: | |
L-Head: First of all, it was satire.
Second, you called me a "Bush hater". Congratulations, you lose this round!
 |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 441
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 2:59 pm: | |
mem -- no prob.
lumpyhead --
fwiw, if someone did a clever parody of anti-Dean attack ads, I'd find it funny. Altough it's hard to parody the real Repulican ads (like the ones running against Dean in Iowa). Actually, come to think of it, some of the real Republican ads are pretty funny. Like the one Nohero mentions ("some are now attacking the president..."). That one's a riot. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1744
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 3:24 pm: | |
Satire doesn't have to be funny by the way, though it helps. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1783
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 3:26 pm: | |
clever! yes, that's the word. If real silliness had been voiced over the music/lovely shots, that would have made me laugh. Knucklebrain, yes. D**khead, no. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 595
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:00 pm: | |
Round number one? Walter Mitty doesn't fight, he just types. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 442
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 7:54 pm: | |
ffof,
although over-analyzing humor takes all the fun out, I'd just like to add that if the voiceover was merely "silly," it would have lost all its satirical bite. the fact is, real political ads are so over-the-top and nasty, that to parody them, you have to go pretty far.
but again - whatever. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 1784
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 8:30 pm: | |
agreed on the overanalyzing! But just the same, the potty stuff took all the satirical bite out of it for me. Just my view. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 444
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:16 pm: | |
to be honest, I'm with you on the d***head part. he got to the end and got lazy, going for the cheap laugh, but up until then I thought he was on target with his spoof. |
thoughtful
Citizen
Username: Thoughtful
Post Number: 123
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:38 pm: | |
The purpose of satire is to make people uncomfortable. The purpose of satire is to attack. To accomplish this, satire often engages in questionable language. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2675
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:49 pm: | |
If it makes anybody happy, this morning Imus had a great parody of the Budweiser "Real American Heroes" ads, making fun of Hillary Clinton. I laughed at that, too. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 445
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 10:23 pm: | |
and it's still funny after 4 viewings. |
mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 675
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 11:25 pm: | |
I think this is pretty funny, too: http://www.evilpinatas.com/front_page.jsp |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 135
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 11:36 pm: | |
Bush Grabs New Power for FBI :
The Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004 grants the FBI
unprecedented power to obtain records from financial institutions without
requiring permission from a judge.
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,61792,00.html
===
White House Seeks Secrecy on Detainee :
In an extraordinary request, the Bush administration asked the Supreme
Court on Monday to let it keep its arguments secret in a case involving
an immigrant's challenge of his treatment after the Sept. 11 terror
attacks.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/scotus_detainee
===
Judges who oppose Ashcroft's policies find an ally:
A prominent federal judge in Brooklyn has added his voice to those of
prosecutors who have been quietly seething because Attorney General John
Ashcroft regularly overrules them and directs that they seek capital
punishment when they have recommended against it.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/7563910.htm
===
Interrogation, Torture, the Constitution, and the Courts:
The government's assertion that torture and summary executions might be
carried out without recourse to the law clearly shocked the court.
Reminiscent of Argentina's "dirty war" or the Soviet Gulag, the notion of
a legal vacuum in which abuses can be freely committed hardly squares
with American constitutional traditions.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/mariner/20040105.html
===
Jimmy Breslin : Dark Passage For America:
This is all because of this nice, new, clean shaven, Bible quoting, psalm
singing Ashcroft and his people. He is a walking symbol of the banality
of evil.
http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-nybres063613209jan06,0,4112745.
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