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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 165 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 1:15 am: |    |
9/11 RICO Lawsuit filed against George W. Bush et. al http://www.nancho.net/911/mariani.html |
   
Ukealalio
Citizen Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 358 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 1:51 am: |    |
Ed May paints a TV , Ozzy and Harriet picture of George and Laura that just aint so. Enuff has been said about Dumbya to debunk that myth. Sweet, innocent Laura drove through a red light and killed someone. Did she do it on purpose?, of course not, but she's not Ms. Moral High Ground, either. Give me cigars and adultery any day over, DWI's, vehicular manslaughter and lying about WMD (less people die). |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10603 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 7:30 am: |    |
George Bush did not lie about WMD. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1433 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 7:52 am: |    |
Sbenois you are right on dude. He didn't lie about WMD. He completely misrepresented the intelligence in an effort to scare the piss out of the public in backing a war that rightly should have been argued as a case for removing a seriously dangerous despot akin to Mussolini. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10604 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 8:14 am: |    |
He didn't represent the intelligence any more wrongly than President Clinton did. Or the Democratic Senators and Congressmen who were privvy to the same intelligence and drew the same conclusions. The only misrepresentation was the uranium claim one that they said was based on foreign intelligence. It was a mistake. There is far too much selective amnesia going on here on MOL. And you should stop watching Bill Maher before you post on Saturday mornings. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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NRL
Citizen Username: Nrl
Post Number: 445 Registered: 8-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 8:24 am: |    |
Thank you ART!! Anon, stop posting nonsense just to get to the 1,000 post mark. |
   
Nohero
Citizen Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2734 Registered: 10-1999

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:12 am: |    |
Remember Ken "Gathering Storm" Pollock? In a new article, he explains how the Administration's obsession with Iraq, had an effect on how intelligence was evaluated. In other words, Democrats and Republicans did see the same intelligence; but, the Administration "spun" it the way it wanted to: quote:The intelligence community's overestimation of Iraq's WMD capability is only part of the story of why we went to war last year. The other part involves how the Bush Administration handled the intelligence. Throughout the spring and fall of 2002 and well into 2003 I received numerous complaints from friends and colleagues in the intelligence community, and from people in the policy community, about precisely that. According to them, many Administration officials reacted strongly, negatively, and aggressively when presented with information or analysis that contradicted what they already believed about Iraq. Many of these officials believed that Saddam Hussein was the source of virtually all the problems in the Middle East and was an imminent danger to the United States because of his perceived possession of weapons of mass destruction and support of terrorism. Many also believed that CIA analysts tended to be left-leaning cultural relativists who consistently downplayed threats to the United States. They believed that the Agency, not the Administration, was biased, and that they were acting simply to correct that bias. Intelligence officers who presented analyses that were at odds with the pre-existing views of senior Administration officials were subjected to barrages of questions and requests for additional information. They were asked to justify their work sentence by sentence: "Why did you rely on this source and not this other piece of information?" "How does this conclusion square with this other point?" "Please explain the history of Iraq's association with the organization you mention in this sentence." Reportedly, the worst fights were those over sources. The Administration gave greatest credence to accounts that presented the most lurid picture of Iraqi activities. In many cases intelligence analysts were distrustful of those sources, or knew unequivocally that they were wrong. But when they said so, they were not heeded; instead they were beset with further questions about their own sources. On many occasions Administration officials' requests for additional information struck the analysts as being made merely to distract them from their primary mission. Some officials asked for extensive historical analyses - a hugely time-consuming undertaking, for which most intelligence analysts are not trained. Requests were constantly made for detailed analyses of newspaper articles that conformed to the views of Administration officials - pieces by conservative newspaper columnists such as Jim Hoagland, William Safire, and George F. Will. These columnists may be highly intelligent men, but they have no claim to superior insight into the workings of Iraq, or to any independent intelligence-collection capabilities.
Full article: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/media-preview/pollack.htm |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10606 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:18 am: |    |
Joe Lieberman must have been on the same centrifuge as the Administration. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1436 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:19 am: |    |
Why? Maher is funny, smart, and alot of fun to watch. And you are dead wrong. period. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:35 am: |    |
GWB did lie about WMD. Where are they? Where were they? How come we haven't found any? Since everyone thinks I only read off the beaten path, I thought a link from UPI might be refreshing: "Whitewash': 9/11 Director Gave Evidence to Own Inquiry http://upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r |
   
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1777 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:41 am: |    |
Ainsworth, Who did you vote for in 2000? Also, who do you think you may vote for this time around? BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 169 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 9:59 am: |    |
Straw: It is already on record that I made the mistake of voting for the man who is our President at this time. Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. I will not repeat that mistake. I will vote for any viable alternative to Bush. What's the word of a liar worth? Didn't Mr. Bush swear to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States? http://www.petitiononline.com/911ftt/petition.html
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10608 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:10 am: |    |
GWB did lie about WMD. Where are they? Where were they? How come we haven't found any? Because they obviously never existed. Is THAT your contention Ainsworth? Please tell me that you believe they never existed. Pretty please. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 170 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:19 am: |    |
No, it isn't that Iraq never had them. Rumsfeld has the receipts for them. However, what was there in 1991 was not there in 2002. Read "Spies, Lies, and Weapons: What Went Wrong" http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/media-preview/pollack.htm
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10613 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:26 am: |    |
Now we're making progress Ainsworth. Were they there in 1994? 1996? 1998? 2000? 2002? ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1908 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 12:54 pm: |    |
Sbenois Are you going to post that picture of me riding around Maplewood with George W. Bush? You know, the one where Arturo is driving and "W" and I are popping out the top of the long stretch limp waving to Maplewoodians? You have my permission to post that photo. Ed May |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 171 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 3:28 pm: |    |
Some quotations to ponder. If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be. -- Thomas Jefferson Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. -- Abraham Lincoln |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10614 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 3:56 pm: |    |
Ainsworth, you didn't answer my question. Where did the weapons go? ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1782 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 4:26 pm: |    |
Ainsworth gets a pass by me because he voted for GWB in 2000. Once a club member always a club member. I have no doubt that come November and it's Bush vs Kerry, Ainsworth will vote Republican. BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
   
Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1909 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 12:00 pm: |    |
Opinion: President Bush's Rising Stock James Cramer, host of CNBC's "Kudlow & Cramer" and admitted Democrat, penned a column for today's Wall Street Journal where he argues that "the economic policies pursued by this President have been a stunning empirical success." Cramer voices his disbelief at the strong economy, but applauds the remarkable progress it has made under President Bush's pro-growth policies. He concludes by cautioning his peers, "This time it's not the economy, stupid." To listen to the critics of President Bush's economic policies, you'd think that the nation's on the brink of economic catastrophe. Not a single Democratic candidate is willing to accept, even for a moment, that the president might be on the right economic track with large deficit spending and lower income and investment taxes. ... Wait a second. I'm a Democrat, one who helped raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democratic candidates nationally in the last two decades. I voted for Al Gore. But I'm also an objective financial commentator. With stocks at two-year highs and interest rates, as represented by the 10-year treasury, hovering near all-time lows, I can't help reach a different conclusion from Mr. Bush's critics: The economic policies pursued by this president have been a stunning empirical success. If you'd told me two years ago, in the wake of 9/11 and the collapse of the stock bubble, that we could have 8% GDP growth, I'd have laughed. ... If you'd told me we could have 8% GDP growth and long-term rates at 4%, I'd have said that such a combination was impossibly Pollyannaish, a proverbial smooth concoction of oil and water. And if you'd told me that we could have a robust stock market, with a broad array of 52-week highs in dozens of sectors, I'd have told you that you were dreaming. ... Yet that's exactly what we have right now. So, critics, keep baying against the policies. Keep calling for higher taxes or fiscal responsibility. But as someone who's stuck looking at the daily scorecard as represented by the impossible-to-manipulate markets themselves, the judgment's already in: The Bush economic policies have worked beyond what anyone could have hoped for. Or, to put it in parlance my party might understand, This time it's not the economy, stupid.
Ed May |
   
Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1910 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |    |
In case you missed it, NBC Nightly News had a great story tho other night on the President's grassroots campaign. The story featured hard-working Students for Bush signing up new volunteers at the Sugar Bowl and offered a glimpse inside Bush-Cheney HQ in Arlington, Va. Here's some of David Gregory's report: They came to New Orleans this month for the Sugar Bowl, but the Bush-Cheney 04 campaign volunteers care more about politics than football. Volunteer Kimberly Allen said even ten-months before Election Day the campaign is now, I think it's just getting a jump start on the competition, ya know. There's no need for us to wait and figure out who the Dems put out at their convention. Legions of Bush-Cheney organizers are canvassing the country registering new voters in battleground states and signing up volunteers for help with voter turnout a ground game which Bush advisers claim is unparalleled in political history. According to Ralph Reed of the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign, I mean, we have six-million emails. We will have a million team leaders by the time we get to Election Day that's one for every 50 Bush voters.
Ed May |
   
Michaela May
Citizen Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2004

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 2:04 pm: |    |
So glad to debate Mr. May ... I don't have a Harvard MBA, but even knowledge attained in undergraduate-level ecomonics classes makes me wary of that too-rosy analysis. This economy is being held up by a lot of manipulation that can't be sustained. These are short-term tools whose effectiveness can't much outlast the upcoming elections, and the consequences of which could be dire. Lower interest rates mean that would-be foreign investors are wary of investing in the United States. The dollar is being devalued. Taxes are lower, but our the deficit is at an all-time high. We can't just accumulate debt forever. A growing GDP may mean that productivity is on the rise, but that hasn't meant a significant increase in employment and certainly hasn't meant higher wages. A mere 1,000 jobs were added in this economy in December -- and people are earning less money than before as jobs are outsourced and some people just stop looking. So yeah, the rich are getting richer. Big accomplishment. -_- |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 175 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 3:39 pm: |    |
September 11th and The New World We Live In Subcategories The Bush Family Drugs Vreeland Unscrambled Fighter Jets Biowarfare Insider Trading Osama Bin Laden Oil & Energy PROMIS Software Government Corruption/Complicity Economy Mike Ruppert's Appearances Miscellaneous Investigations Civil Liberties The War on Terrorism Timelines Previous Newsletters Watergate II NEW! http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html#watergate
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Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1913 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 8:06 pm: |    |
Ms. May I agree that you don't have a Harvard MBA, or even a Stanford MBA, and I myself am wary of the undergraduate-level ecomonics classes that you had at Brandeis. The economy is rebounding because of tax cuts, both of which are good things. The rising Stock Market indicates that the economy in 2004 will be excellent. Bush is not into any manipulation, and after he is re-elected he will have to deal with the economy he created. It has taken Bush 4 years to undo the bad economy that Clinton left us. Name one thing that is manipulative on the part of Bush. By the way, he does not control the Fed, and Congress is responsible for the deficit. None of the eleven (nine?) (seven soon?) Democrat candidates has offered any coherent econimic plan, by the way. You state "Lower interest rates mean that would-be foreign investors are wary of investing in the United States. The dollar is being devalued." Would we be better off with the high interest rates and economic malaise of your hero Jimmy Carter? By the way, the best way out of deficits is a growing economy. Yes, productivity is on the rise! And that is a good thing. Unemployment is a lagging indicator. That means that the economy will be booming for several months before the govt unemployment figures are reflective. Higher wages are inflationary. A statement like "people are earning less money than" cannot be substantiated without hard figures - do you have them? Outsourcing can be a good thing (like when companies out source work to me!) If people stop looking, shame on them. Maybe they should just start their own business, as so many are doing right here in SO-M. The rich are not getting richer, unless you mean the Clintons and the Kennedys. Do you know that the poorist person in America is so much better off than the average person in most countries! For your penance, start listening to Fox for fair and balanced reporting, and find out what station in WDC carries Rush and Hannity. Ed May |
   
hariseldon
Citizen Username: Hariseldon
Post Number: 152 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 10:58 pm: |    |
Ed May is daydreaming about prosperity being just around the corner. The U. S. is the only open consumer economy on the planet and consumers here are just about finished spending their home equity loans. I expect to see joblessness continue and the reaction against it should come just around election time. The dollar is weakening on account of job exports to Asia and (if Bush has his way) to Latin America in order to hold down middle class pay, and also on account of the tax cuts for the rich. Inflation will rekindle and force the Fed to raise interest rates. Then the cycle of decline will restart again and be more severe than the last one. |
   
Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1914 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 11:46 pm: |    |
hariseldon you are wrong and like Ms. May you did not support your ideas with data and by the way, the tax cuts were for everyone that pays taxes, not just the "so called" rich and further the people in higher brackets pay the highest percentage of taxes and the highest amount of dollars, so what is wrong with giving them a tax cut along with all the other taxpayers do you advocate giving tax cuts to people that don't pay taxes Ed May |
   
Addy
Citizen Username: Addy
Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 1:44 am: |    |
Ed, In fairness, you can exempt yourself from data requirements either. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 1806 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:52 am: |    |
Ed, the rich are not the "so called" rich, they are they the rich. Those loud complains you hear are about folks who are getting $30-40,000 reductions, not what the upper-middle class is getting. And the tax cuts were for everybody who pays income tax. There are lots of other taxes that low-income people pay that were not reduced a bit. Schwarzenneger understood this when he lowered the motor-vehicle excise tax when he took office. This tax hit everybody who owned a car, which would include low income people who have a beater they drive to the Wal-Mart. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 177 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 4:47 pm: |    |
Ed: Please do not put statements that have no basis in fact in your postings, such as "Bush is not into any manipulation." There is a tremendous body of evidence about Bush manipulating the economy and popular opinion. The following link leads to a 56 page PDF by Sam Gardiner, Colonel, USAF (retired). Though I doubt that Ed will take the time to read it, if he does he may find it to be an eye opener instead of a yawn. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_1.pdf Ainsworth p.s. I refuse to drop to Ed's standards of name calling, as calling me An** Witch Hunt is more the stunt of a kindergarden child than a Harvard Grad. If Ed wants to make amends, he is welcome to do so, provided he understands that apologies and amends have little in common. One way Ed can make amends is to prove that he studied the document in the attached link and find evidence (if any exists) that refute its contents.
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notehead
Citizen Username: Notehead
Post Number: 894 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 7:12 pm: |    |
Ainsworth... interesting stuff. And it doesn't have quite the, well, emotional quality that some (not all) of your links do. The point is well made that the vast majority of us need someone else to tell us what's going on, and we are extremely vulnerable to violations of the trust that we place in our communications infrastructure. The possibilities of "strategic influence" and "pious lies" are something we should all recognize. |
   
Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1916 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 8:21 pm: |    |
I agree with Arnold: "Schwarzenneger understood this when he lowered the motor-vehicle excise tax when he took office. This tax hit everybody who owned a car, which would include low income people who have a beater they drive to the Wal-Mart." Ed May |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 178 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 7:36 am: |    |
Sbenois: Did you go to the links I provided? Ainsworth |
   
Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1921 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:29 pm: |    |
Ainsworth I apologize for calling you An** Witch Hunt. When time permits I will peruse your links. Then I will rebut. (I almost said kick butt!)
Ed May |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10644 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:40 pm: |    |
Ainsy, No I didn't. I won't waste my time. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Ed May
Citizen Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1925 Registered: 9-2001

| Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:46 pm: |    |
Sbenois Hey, I was coming out of Art's B and B with my wife’s friend when we said that we were planning a surprise birthday party for you. Any problem with that? Ed May |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10645 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:55 pm: |    |
Dearest Arturo, As you can see, Eduardo has spilled the beans that you are apparently running Les Saisons once again. I thought that your B&B was given the deep 6 by the powers that be? What gives? Did some former guests all of a sudden have a sentimental urge to engage in your world famous squirrel tossing challenge?
---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 2:07 pm: |    |
sbenois: the links provided gave some degree of answers as to where the weapons of mass destruction are/were and a lot of detail about their overestimation by the administration, so going to them would have answered your question and not wasted your time. ainsworth |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 182 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 2:11 pm: |    |
to append to my previous posting to sbenois, the link you will probably get the most out of for the least amount of reading is: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/01/media-preview/pollack.htm |
   
Nohero
Citizen Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2786 Registered: 10-1999

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 3:24 pm: |    |
Hey, David Kay, our recently-resigned chief weapons inspector, has answered the question, "Where did the weapons go?" He said they weren't there. |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10648 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 5:16 pm: |    |
Oops ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1823 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 5:47 pm: |    |
David Kay, our former "failed" weapons inspector. Ya gotta love Nohero and his belief that no matter what, America deserves to lose. Thanks for being a patriot, Nohero.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
   
llama
Citizen Username: Llama
Post Number: 410 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 6:04 pm: |    |
This is right on the nose! http://www.liberaloasis.com/Bushmovie.swf |
   
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen Username: Casey
Post Number: 489 Registered: 8-2003

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 6:43 pm: |    |
quote:Ya gotta love Nohero and his belief that no matter what, America deserves to lose.
since when did George Bush = America?
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United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1824 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 7:00 pm: |    |
I can never in all my years for one second ever remember wishing the President of the United States failure EVER!. Not even Jimmy Carter the biggest jack ass ever to hit DC. Your belief that Bush will fail has led to open rooting against him . I for one am deeply disguisted with Americans (if we should even call them this) who disgrace our nations with such foolish, narrow minded anti-American rhetoric. You don't have to love or even like Bush. You people don't seem to get that, so instead you simply choose to hate his guts instead. As a result you take it out on America. SHAME ON EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU... thank you
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 184 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 7:34 pm: |    |
Sbenois: To use your words "Now we are getting somewhere." I think Oops is your best posting.
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10649 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 8:40 pm: |    |
Ainsy, It is pretty good isn't it? So non-chalant and uncaring. But it's not as funny as your latest on 9/11. God Bless America Ainsy. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen Username: Casey
Post Number: 490 Registered: 8-2003

| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 10:41 pm: |    |
United Straw, maybe a switch to decaf would help. Where has anyone on this board wished failure upon George Bush or the U.S.? Noticing someone's failure is quite a bit different from wishing it upon him. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 1847 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 10:48 pm: |    |
What's with the pledge of allegiance nonsense? We all know that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, after all. But it's allegiance to the flag, not to whatever numbskull happens to be sitting in the oval office at the time. HE'S pledged to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. |
   
llama
Citizen Username: Llama
Post Number: 411 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 7:12 am: |    |
Dingle, Let me get this strait. Do we have to believe in war and god to be patriotic? And do patriots support abortion, and what is the patriotic stand on capital punishment, and the environment? I just want to know all the rules so I can then have the power like you to decide who is or isn't patriotic. You're so silly, misguided, and confused! |
   
Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1473 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 7:52 am: |    |
quote:I can never in all my years for one second ever remember wishing the President of the United States failure EVER!. Not even Jimmy Carter the biggest jack ass ever to hit DC. Your belief that Bush will fail has led to open rooting against him . I for one am deeply disguisted with Americans (if we should even call them this) who disgrace our nations with such foolish, narrow minded anti-American rhetoric. You don't have to love or even like Bush. You people don't seem to get that, so instead you simply choose to hate his guts instead. As a result you take it out on America. SHAME ON EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU...
Get some sleep Straw and remember that the country was founded by people who didn't care for the existing form of govt and went to war to create the one we have a founding principle of which was a citizen's right to question its leadership. This is puppet talk from you and removes you yet another sizable step from the realities of a living breathing democracy
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky |
   
Insite
Citizen Username: Insite
Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 10:01 am: |    |
Llama writes: "Let me get this strait"  |
   
Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1474 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 10:25 am: |    |
Insite, once again, adds zero "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky |
   
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1827 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 11:09 am: |    |
In his State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Bush discussed the great challenges facing our nation and the steps we must take to keep America prosperous, strong and secure. The President's ambitious agenda and strong leadership have drawn praise from news editors across the country. "It's hard to argue with the overarching priorities George W. Bush set out confidently in his State of the Union speech -- protecting Americans from terrorism, strengthening the U.S. economy and making health care more accessible. Mr. Bush has proven himself to be a president who can get things done." -- Editorial, "Shake It Up," Orlando Sentinel, January 21, 2004 "Bush claimed, correctly, that 'Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better.' Thanks in large part to his willingness to remove Saddam Hussein, thuggish regimes in Libya, North Korea and Iran appear to be getting the message that with this president, dangerous behavior and illicit nuclear ambitions can have unpleasant consequences." -- Editorial, Chicago Tribune, January 21, 2004 "Mr. Bush showed himself Tuesday to be no less the confident leader he was upon taking the oath of office three years ago. The world has changed, but his values and resolve have not wavered. -- Editorial, The Wichita Eagle, January 21, 2004 "With the power of his office, Bush demonstrated last night that he won't retreat an inch before the Democrats' attacks. -- Editorial, "Bush Makes His Case," Boston Herald, January 21, 2004 "It is hard to argue the American people are not safer today than they were a year ago, now that Saddam Hussein has been turned out of power and is in the custody of the U.S. military. -- Editorial, San Diego Union-Tribune, January 21, 2004
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Nohero
Citizen Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2789 Registered: 10-1999

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 11:15 am: |    |
Straw: Calling someone unpatriotic or anti-American, just because he disagrees with President Bush, is, like, so last year, dude! |
   
llama
Citizen Username: Llama
Post Number: 412 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:07 pm: |    |
Insite; My pet hyena! I'm glad to see you are closely following my posts. This may be your only means to enlightenment. I guess not acting moronic wasn't your new years resolution. And to quote your own hypocritical self, "What do you think, that you're the king of typo's?" You really ought to have more self respect than to do something you are openly critical of on MOL. I don't think there is a more useless poster than you. You don't even have the means to contribute anything of any merit or value to this board what so ever. Why don't you explain to fellow posters what your point is, because I don't think anyone knows, unless of course, you just don't have one... |
   
Dave Ross
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 6193 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:28 pm: |    |
Straw's quotes are misleading (shocking, I know). The Tribune's editorial is called "Bush's Blind Spot" and takes him to task for the big deficit he has created. The one attributed to the San Diego paper actually appears in the Torrence Daily Breeze. I haven't checked the others yet. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 186 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:55 pm: |    |
sbeany: nothing funny about 9/11. all I ask is people to dig a little deeper, and find out the facts for themselves, before it is too late. ainsworth |
   
Montagnard
Citizen Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 380 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 12:56 pm: |    |
Here's an interesting article from the Honolulu Advertiser about the human costs of George A.W.O.L. Bush's incompetent military planning: Stop-loss orders tie hands of Army soldiers We already know that patriots who demonstrate against this disaster of a president have their right to free speech violated through arbitrary arrests and detention. With increasing use of "stop loss" orders, we see that patriots who joined the reserve to serve their country are also having their rights violated. They have essentially been drafted against their will, largely because of Bush's inadequate force planning and inability to reach agreement with key allies before invading Iraq.
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10651 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 3:51 pm: |    |
Ainsy, Your facts are not facts. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 187 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 4:25 pm: |    |
sbeany: denial is not a river in egypt.
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 190 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 4:45 pm: |    |
If you only go to one of the links I provide, please go to this one: http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.htm#firemans_video The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We've All been Overlooking by Leonard Spencer In trying to piece together what really happened on September 11, a lot of work has been done — much of it useful and interesting — into those 'hijacked' flights for which the publicly-available evidence is sketchy and contradictory. There are web sites for instance wholly dedicated to investigating the true fate of Flight 93 and others that attempt to get a clearer idea of what really happened at the Pentagon. Both these incidents however are characterised by a pronounced absence of substantive material evidence and it is this, I suppose, that raises our suspicions and curiosity. There is one flight however that has received insufficient attention and this is American Airlines Flight 11, the plane that allegedly crashed into WTC1, the North Tower. It was the first of the terrorist attacks that day. It has been a big mistake not to subject this flight to the same kind of scrutiny as the others because, unlike the others, a very good and important piece of documentary evidence of this flight exists in the public domain. This is the so-called 'Fireman's Video' and we really haven't looked at it closely enough. It really does deserve a second look. The story of the 'Fireman's Video' is well known. Two French filmmakers, the Naudet Brothers, were in New York on September 11 making a documentary about the New York Fire Service. The footage shows that, while filming in Canal Street, firemen and crew are distracted by a plane flying low overhead. The camera operator instinctively turns his camera towards the North Tower and, for little more than a second or so, we get a clear view of the plane crashing into the tower. It is a precious, priceless second. It is the one-second of video that really makes the sinister Bush junta nervous. It really gives them nightmares. They really didn't want a professional cameraman to catch that moment on broadcast-quality tape. If you've got it on tape I strongly suggest you take another look at it, with the pause and frame-forward buttons at the ready. If you don't have it taped you can purchase the documentary in which it appears on video and DVD. It's called simply '9/11'. Alternatively, download the Fireman's Video in QuickTime (370 Kb). It's not quite as revealing as a good video or DVD copy played through your TV, but it's good enough to see the action and has useful single frame forward and back buttons. When seen at full speed, you might first of all think that there isn't a great deal to see. There's half a second or so when we see the plane flying through the air then it smashes into the tower, creating an explosion and leaving a great gash across the building. Notice though that immediately before it hits the building the plane emits a brief, bright flash. Notice too that the scar it leaves on the building is rather larger than seems appropriate for the size of the aircraft. Now pause the sequence at the beginning and advance it frame by frame. Firstly, look at the plane. Does that look like a Boeing jet to you? Is its wingspan wide enough? Does it have engines attached to its wings? Watch carefully what happens as the plane approaches and crashes into the tower. I leave you to come to your own conclusions about what you see (watch it over and over again, backwards and forwards), but I'll tell you what I see. Immediately before the plane strikes it fires a missile that blows a hole in the building's façade. This is the cause of that brief flash. The plane then begins to disappear neatly into this hole, leaving no wing impressions. Just before it disappears however it fires two more missiles from somewhere near its tail. One goes to the left, one to the right (and up a bit) and it is the blast holes from these three separate missiles that form the great gash across the building. There's more. Keep an eye on the adjacent east side of the building, which is also visible. See how, a few frames into the explosion, a white jet of smoke erupts out of the east side at the same level as the plane. The jet comes straight out of the wall at right angles to it, not angled in accordance with the trajectory of the plane. Also it's just white smoke and dust, no orange flames or anything like that. It is clearly a bomb going off, creating the gash that appears on the east wall. I know what I am describing sounds incredible. I suggest only that you look at the footage yourself and come to your own conclusions about what you see.
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tjohn
Citizen Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2134 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 4:53 pm: |    |
Ainsworth, I really think you need professional help. If people could focus this sort of mental energy on the more tangible failings of the Bush Administration, a Democratic victory would be assured in November. This fantastic conspiracy theory stuff is an unhelpful distraction from the real issues. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 192 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 5:13 pm: |    |
tjohn: The Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act are very real issues: abridging the Constitution of the United States may be the only issue. It is easy to be dismissive by labeling the information I provide as a "fantastic conspiracy theory." This is what Hitler did to those that stated he and his henchmen were behind the Reichstag fire. Then in exchange for "security" tje German people traded their rights for a dictatorship. So don't for one second label this as an unhelpful distraction from the real issues. Daniel Pearl and the Paymaster of 9/11: 9/11 and The Smoking Gun that Turned On its Tracker by Chaim Kupferberg http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP209A.html Investment Espionage And The White House Bush Administration http://www.attackonamerica.net/BushAdministrationLinksToPre911InsiderTrading.htm Exposing NORAD's Wag The 911 Window Dressing Tale http://www.standdown.net/ CarlyleGroup.net: Bush, bin Laden, And War Profits http://www.carlylegroup.net/
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tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 1850 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 5:27 pm: |    |
http://www.boredom.org/video/ Looking through some of these, I don't know how anyone can draw the conclusions that A.H. does. Note to conspiracy theorists: Occam's Razor. When presented with two possible explanations for something, the simplest is probably best. |
   
tjohn
Citizen Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2135 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 5:34 pm: |    |
Ainsworth, I agree that there is an insufficient linkage between the Patriot Act and the failings that made the September 11th attacks possible. Somehow, I don't think we needed a Patriot Act and the Ministry of the Interior (aka Homeland Security) to empower FBI field agents to share ideas and to allow the FBI to work with the CIA. But this is no conspiracy. It is lawmakers pandering to the voters who have had their fears stoked by Bush. Regarding your example of the Reichstag fire in the 1930's, one of the sad aspects of that event is that even if the fire was a Communist conspiracy, there was no need to surrender civil rights to Hitler. |
   
tjohn
Citizen Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2136 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 5:37 pm: |    |
Ainsworth, It is also the case that the damage to the WTC is consistent with the size and fuel load of a 767. |
   
Diversity Man
Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 599 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 5:42 pm: |    |
Dave Ross: If Bush and the evil co-conspirators find out about Hunt, they will eliminate him. Doesn't this bother you? He is a brave man, willing to risk death to expose the truth. And you let him use his real name. You must be with Bush. You are a conspirator. Why did you not stop the carnage? What type of American are you? Hunt must be saved. Please don't expose him to such danger. Change his name. If you don't, that is proof that you are owned by the OIL POWERS THAT RULE THE WORLD. Where is the Trilateral Commission when you need it? DWM |
   
Dave Ross
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 6196 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2004 - 6:14 pm: |    |
He did disappear for a while. Either the chip was put in or taken out. Too early to tell. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 195 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 8:00 am: |    |
tjohn: http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/9250/index.php |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 196 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 8:01 am: |    |
another source: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html |
   
Insite
Citizen Username: Insite
Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 8:41 am: |    |
I'm convinced Hunt & Straw are the same guy. |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:23 am: |    |
Insite: Straw and I have nothing to do with each other. I can assure you that we are two separate people, even though I have no idea who Straw is. Ainsworth
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 201 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:26 am: |    |
http://www.thedubyareport.com/indepth_cmpt.html |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 202 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:28 am: |    |
Bush's Military Record Reveals Grounding and Absence for Two Full Years http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=154 |
   
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1831 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:30 am: |    |
Believe me, I have a better chance of being Duncan Rogers then I do Hunt. I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1476 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:46 am: |    |
Whoa there big fella. Unless you want to don a wig and use a cane, stay clear til the middle of March "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky |
   
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 203 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:01 am: |    |
Let's restore honor and dignity to the White House. Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed By by John Buchanan http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bu sh_Nazi%20Link |
   
Diversity Man
Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 600 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:00 am: |    |
Ditto, Straw-man. Wait, can't you see the truth, Ross is Strawberry, and together they/he/she is/are an agent of BIG OIL, Henry Kissinger, and Microsoft? Or are they a clever NSA-based invention, virtual, not real, electronic souls, who shill for Hunt, giving him opportunity to post all the threads needed to learn who stole the canned vegetables. DWM
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bobk
Supporter Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4444 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:11 am: |    |
Uhm, Strawberries aren't vegetables, although tomatoes are fruits.
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Diversity Man
Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 605 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 6:10 pm: |    |
Hunt - Nazi link confirmed, here. A.(insworth) H.(unt) = A.(dolph) H.(itler). H. believes there is a Jewish global conspiracy and it is German's duty to destroy the conspirators before they subjugate humanity forever. H. believes there is a Bush/Cheney/Hallibuton global conspiracy and it his duty to destroy the conspirators before they subjugate humanity forever. Q.E.D. T.W.M. |
   
Reflective
Citizen Username: Reflective
Post Number: 287 Registered: 3-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 7:06 pm: |    |
Thanks DM. I have been debating whether to risk suspension with my interpretation of A. H. But I will settle for Ain't Honest! |
   
Diversity Man
Citizen Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 606 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 8:59 pm: |    |
Bitte. T.W.M |