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Don Perkins
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 226
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 - 10:16 pm: |     |
Who would Osama bin Laden rather have in the White House, George W. Bush or Howard Dean?
Well ... that pretty much wraps things up, don't you think?
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Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6056
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 - 10:23 pm: | |
Not really. A lot of this "war on terror" has aspects of personal vendetta between the Bush family and the bin ladens and saddam husseins of the world. Maybe we'd be safer without Bush and with someone who cares about preserving the very freedoms and ideals that make America America? |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 344
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 - 10:36 pm: | |
If you think about it for a moment, Dean would be far more threatening to bin Laden.
One of the key tactics in fighting terrorism is improved international cooperation to block funding and arrest suspected terrorists for trial within an accepted legal framework.
George A.W.O.L. Bush has been so poor at this that almost any candidate would be more effective.
I'm sure that Dean will welcome your support. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6058
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 - 10:48 pm: | |
Not only that, increased international support would mean we could reign in W's spending. |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 346
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 1:01 am: | |
Well for one thing, Howard Dean and his family are not in business with the Bin-Ladens.
Now why did I answer this ridiculous post ?. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6063
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 1:19 am: | |
Because it was started by someone with multiple personality disorder?  |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 424
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 6:11 am: | |
Don Strawberry Perkins? |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2653
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 10:36 am: | |
Uke: The fact that you can ask yourself, "Why am I posting here?", means that you're still not too far gone. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2555
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 10:51 am: | |
Mr. Perkins,
Sheesh. Who CARES what obl wants! That thing simply needs to be shmooshed, like a big, giant cockroach. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 635
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 11:15 am: | |
You're right, Perk. It does wrap things up. If I were a terrorist, I'd want consensus and the resulting stagnation to be my adversary. I'd want someone who cringes at the very thought of casualties -- who would conduct a war from 15K feet, or run when it got tough as in Mogadishu. I'd want someone who got the endorsement of a president who was behind Osama's sentiments that the US was a paper tiger.
And that's Dean, who only really acts and takes umbrage when the Episcopals get in the way of his bike path. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1733
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 12:03 pm: | |
Or somebody who didn't want to rummage too deeply into the Saudi royal family's dirty laundry; or someone who'd send mercenaries into Tora Bora instead of highly trained, uncorruptable U.S. troops. |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 136
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 1:26 pm: | |
Who cares what OBL wants, not me. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4214
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 2:13 pm: | |
I don't know if I believe this or not, but one alternative view might be that OBL is very happy with Shrub in the White House. Since 9/11 we have conquered and occupied two Muslim countries, giving him credibility about the American threat, not to mention a large anti-crusader recruiting pool. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 292
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 2:17 pm: | |
bobk = Howard Dean
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 110
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 4:28 pm: | |
Well, since O remains free and alive more than 2 years after the attack, I imagine he's perfectly content with W in office. |
Don Perkins
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 239
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 5:12 pm: | |
Yes, Dave23 I suppose you are very right. O probably is content in his freedom. Thanks to W, O now travels frequently. In fact, O probably stays in no one place for more than a few hours at a time.
How foolish of me to think that O might support anyone but the very man who has made his life on the run so complete.
Perhaps he has learned to enjoy his life in freedom just as say the Iraqi's once did under Saddam's rule. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1726
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 5:12 pm: | |
yeah sure,
real content living under a rock. I'm sure he preferred his life style during the Clinton years even after WTC 93 and the u.s.s. cole..
dave23 is a little to soft for me.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6087
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 7:24 pm: | |
Exactly what is the difference between blaming the USA and blaming Clinton for terror attacks? Why not extend the blame to people who coddled bin Laden in the Cold War against the Soviets and Bush Sr., who was the first to station US troops on Saudi soil, which precipitated bin laden's hatred?
I don't believe Clark when he says he'd have caught bin laden by now, but I also wonder why we've spent 452 lives and 8,939 life-changing injuries to US troops (blindness, loss of limbs, paralyzation, serious disease, 3rd degree burns, deafness, gunshot wounds, etc.) to invade a country that a) had no WMD and b) was not involved in 9/11. Got to question the priorities here a bit before we begin the draft again. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1729
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 8:17 pm: | |
Dave,
This whole thing is more about the next nine-eleven, more so than the last one.
Thank You
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1736
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 8:46 pm: | |
when did we get so good at predicting? |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1730
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 9:33 pm: | |
It's called Intelligence
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Dave Ross
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6088
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 9:39 pm: | |
Iraq seems to have been fairly well contained, though I admit the recent evidence discovered is fairly terrifying. Let's keep squashing third world dictators just in case. Why stop at Iraq? If it's a good policy, then Iran, Syria, North Korea, Lybia, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan should follow, no? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4216
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 5:11 am: | |
Kenney I am not a Dean supporter by any means.
However, look at history. In WWII the Nazis regularly executed ten civilians for every solider killed by the resitance, yet there was no shortage of recruits for the resistance.
The same thing is true, unfortunately, in Israel. Every rocket attack in the occupied territories results in plenty of volunteers to strap explosives on their bodies and "Kill a Jew or two for Allah:.
Some of our tactics in Iraq, especially with the Forth ID, are beginning to look a lot like the Israeli tactics and their are reports we are using Israeli advisors. Some of this may be needed, especially in the Sunni Triange, but this ain't winning the hearts and minds thing.
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2032
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 5:48 am: | |
I imagine that Bin Laden found our action in Afghanistan to be unexpected and damaging. However, I think our action in Iraq has not hurt Bin Laden and has worked to his advantage in some ways. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 111
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 8:59 am: | |
Bin Laden has been 'living under a rock' for quite a while, long before 9/11. He was 'living under a rock' during the 'Wag the Dog' bombings. (His family, on the other hand, has been given first-class treatment by this administration.)
Perhaps 'freedom' was the wrong choice of words. Perhaps 'continued success in terror attacks and instilling fear in the American public' would have been better. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1731
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:00 am: | |
Dave,
Libya is not spelled Lybia. I am damn happy to see you make the same spelling mistake I made earlier. It leads me to believe good looking guys with brilliant minds (like you and I) tend to make the same spelling mistakes.
Dave Ross and Strawberry. Two good looking guys who know how to impress the ladies!
Thank You
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
luv2cruise
Citizen
Username: Luv2cruise
Post Number: 145
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 8:54 pm: | |
There's nothing like being on the ocean! |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 157
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 3:50 pm: | |
Osama would much rather have George W. Bush than any other POTUS. His family and the Bush family are business partners. Money, oil and blood are thicker than water. The collapse of the Trade Towers was a carefully engineered event. Think about it, several of the towers collapsed completely even though they were not hit.
Please go to the following link, the go to "edit" "find on this page" and type in Bollyn.
http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/AmericanFreePress/AFPNewsOct01.htm |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 158
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 3:54 pm: | |
a p.s. to my previous post, if you want to read only about the subsequent bombing of the WTC, type in "'Bombs Exploded Inside" in the search on the link, as there are several articles by Bollyn. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1755
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 4:50 pm: | |
oh please. Hit by what? The hotel wasn't hit by an airplane, but it was hit by a 110-story building, which is fairly serious. |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 160
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 6:30 pm: | |
The problem isn't just the collapse of 4 5 and 6 WTC, it is the collapse of 1 and 2 WTC themselves. They were designed to take the impact of a 707 fully loaded with fuel, with a very similar fuel capacity to one of the two planes that hit the WTC.
WTC 1, the North Tower collapsed directly downwards, on top of itself. It was the building closest to 5 and 6 WTC. If your oh please is serious, what brought down these two buildings, because a 110 story building did not fall on them?
2 WTC was the South Tower. It was the building closest to 4WTC, part of it fell sideways and that could easily have been the cause of that buildings demise, I will grant you that.
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/971602/posts
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#evidence_for_explosives
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1758
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 7:03 pm: | |
1) the towers collapsing straight down due to explosives planted beforehand doesn't explain the loss of the other buildings any better than if they collapsed straight down just due to the airplane impacts. The seismic records you cite don't seem to indicate further charges afterwards, and anyway the other buildings didn't collapse, they burned out, except for 7 which had large supplies of emergency fuel inside.
2) For this theory to be true, explosives would have to have been a) planted in advance, at a specific location (floor 85, hypothetically); b) the pilots would have had to hit both towers at high speed at precisely just above those floors -- about a 15-foot window at 600 mph; c) someone would have had to be able to control the explosions, either on the scene or remotely without the mechanism being compromised by crash or fire. And it would have had to happen perfectly twice. Possible, but this particular conspiracy seems highly unlikely. |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 161
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:44 pm: | |
Nothing hit 7, but it collapsed in a symetrical fashion. What caused that? |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 162
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:46 pm: | |
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews1.htm |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 163
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:51 pm: | |
We digress. Again, Osama would much rather see GWB as POTUS. In case anyone else wants more of wag the dog:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews2.htm |
michael
Citizen
Username: Michael
Post Number: 455
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 9:13 pm: | |
The Bush war for oil conversation makes me chuckle.
Let's think for a moment.
If it's all about "The oil" then why didn't Bush
Senior grab in Desert Storm? Would have been real easy.
Check your facts on Halliburton. Been in the business with the military through many an administration, Dems and Repubs alike.
Geesh. I'm thinking of using the "black helicopter" line for some of the loopy conspiracies some of you are sure of.
Support the Maplewood/South Orange Ministry of Propaganda
(otherwise known as the CCR)
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DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 133
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:42 pm: | |
Osama has never had a better friend than George W. Bush. No one has ever inspired more fear in America and loathing for other Americans than him except maybe J. Edgar Hoover. |
Diversity Man
Citizen
Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 570
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 11:21 pm: | |
better feared, than liked and dead.
DWM |
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