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Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 305
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 1:58 pm: |     |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2668
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:00 pm: | |
In another example of how the universe is in equilibrium, nutty right-wing blond Peggy Noonan is balanced out by nutty left-wing blond Arianna Huffington. She just wrote a piece on the exact same topic. While Ms. Noonan writes:
quote:He is not a happy warrior but an angry one. In the past I have thought of him as an angry little teapot, but that is perhaps too merry an image. His eyes are cold marbles, in repose his face falls into lines of mere calculation, and he holds himself with a kind of no-neck pugnacity that is fine in a wrestling coach or a tax lawyer but not in a president. We like our presidents sunny, easygoing and optimistic. They have access to the nuclear launch code, and we don't want them losing their tempers easily. Mr. Dean's supporters no doubt see him as optimistic, but optimists aren't angry.
Ms. Huffington has a different perspective:
quote:Of course Dean is angry. Take a look at what's happening in Iraq, where another 236 American soldiers have been killed or wounded since Saddam was dragged out of his spider hole. And take a look closer to home, where we have 12 million children living in poverty, six out of seven working poor families unable to afford quality child care, record levels of personal debt, and more and more U.S. jobs being "outsourced" overseas.
If you still have a pulse (are you listening, Joe Lieberman?) you should be royally pissed.
Edited to add: The figure of 236 refers to those killed or wounded, not just to deaths. Actually, NPR did a piece last night regarding the difficulty in obtaining information about the nearly 9,000 service men and women who have been wounded in Iraq.
And, would calling someone "an angry little teapot" be a personal attack on MOL? |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 162
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:14 pm: | |
WHere did dear Arianna get her numbers?
236 soldiers dead in less than a month huh?
I wonder if that was an accidental typo. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 596
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:20 pm: | |
Nah.. I would say Ann Coulter vs. Adrianna Huffington. Noonan is intelligent, gracious and well mannered. I even heard she is smarter and more successful than Nohero. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 308
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:26 pm: | |
She is pretty hot for her age as well.....
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) |
JJC
Citizen
Username: Mercury
Post Number: 159
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:27 pm: | |
MJ - Read slowly. It was 236 killed or wounded. |
Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 22
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:31 pm: | |
I recently spoke with a U.S. soldier who was in Afghanistan -- and who backs the U.S. efforts in both that country and Iraq -- who told me that he felt the degree of U.S. injuries goes unnoticed ... |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1672
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 4:46 pm: | |
I can attest that Noonan is well mannered. She was at my sister's wedding. We made small talk for a few minutes. Silly me, I didn't know who she was until after the wedding.
I appreciate the balance that Kenney and nohero provided here. I really don't think Noonan's comments are radical or rabid. Her points are worth considering, whether or not you end up agreeing with them. Whether or not you want a Democrat to win, you have to wonder whether one can. And I thought Noonan's point about the Democrats' raising the bar for Republicans was an excellent one.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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jem
Citizen
Username: Jem
Post Number: 861
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 5:13 pm: | |
Back to the number of injuries that is going unnoticed...
There was a piece of reporting on NPR yesterday, which, if you're interested, can still be heard (at least for the rest of the day today) if you go to the All Things Considered page and click on the story "Measuring the Costs of Iraq War"
The brief description reads as follows:
NPR's Daniel Zwerdling reports on the number of U.S. troops wounded in Iraq. It's a number that is much higher than many think and also extremely difficult to come by. And of the close to 9,000 wounded, few details are available concerning their injuries.
That's almost 9,000 U.S. troops injured severely enough to have to be evacuated from Iraq since last March (as of yesterday - 35 more today).
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Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1673
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 5:20 pm: | |
Measuring the costs is, indeed, difficult. We don't generally measure the costs of the injuries, nor the loss of income to the families of those deployed, even if they are not injured.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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Don Perkins
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 246
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 5:59 pm: | |
I truly enjoy Peggy Noonan and her perspective is always refreshing when compared to that of Adrianna Huffington or anyone else, including Ann Coulter.
If you want consider numbers though consider this. Since our war against terror began, no additional innocent Americans have died here on American soil.
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jem
Citizen
Username: Jem
Post Number: 862
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 6:37 pm: | |
Not without a price. The physical and mental well-being of almost 9000 American service people has been sacrificed, and their lives will, in many cases, never be the same. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 599
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 7:15 pm: | |
I think that's what joining the service is all about. |
eliz
Citizen
Username: Eliz
Post Number: 656
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 7:44 pm: | |
Slightly off-topic but why must Peggy Noonan be compared to "nutty blond" anybodies - whether Ann Coulter or Arianna Huffington? Why isn't she compared to Tom Friedman or Bill Safire? Why must an op-ed piece written by a woman be compared to another woman's op-ed? Grrr this makes me mad! (and Nohero you went down that path first - I would have expected better from you!)
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 443
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 8:07 pm: | |
ok how's this:
compared to both men and women, Peggy Noonan (although kind, gentle, and unfailingly polite) writes perhaps the most vacuous political commentary anywhere. Beautiful prose, devoid of all content except her impressions of the candidate's "character." |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1676
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:02 pm: | |
cowboy, true, we've had no terrorist attacks since 9/11, but would we have? I don't know, and neither do you. Do you suppose if I wear a helmet while driving my car, I can avoid head injuries?
eliz, quite right. While we're at it, let's enjoy Maureen Dowd's commentary. Not only does she make very good ones, her innovative command of the language is amazing.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2673
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 8, 2004 - 9:41 pm: | |
As what's-his-name wrote above:
"Since our war against terror began, no additional innocent Americans have died here on American soil."
That's right. They've died on foreign soil.
But, no cause-and-effect connection has been shown between their deaths and the absence of another 9-11 here.
And Eliz: Sorry about the "blond" crack. It's just that Peggy Noonan does not bear any resemblance at all to James Carville ... |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 837
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:44 pm: | |
...for which her parents are eternally grateful. |
Soda
Citizen
Username: Soda
Post Number: 1177
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 10:53 pm: | |
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Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 147
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 7:47 am: | |
I want to like Peggy Noonan. I really do. She writes well. If only she had some investigative reporting skills, maybe her opinion column in the Wall Street Journal would be a better use of people's time.
http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one |
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