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Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1739
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 10:36 am: |     |
Once again our tightened security thwarts those who look to harm Americans. Despite attempts to hijack European Airliners and cause other dirty deeds such as setting off a dirty bomb these Animals were once again kept from creating an attack.
Just another reason why in November of 2004, Americans have no choice but to re-elect our great President.
(if anyone disagrees with the above statement, it's because they're very very very very very dumb.)
Thank You for your time..
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1404
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 12:03 pm: | |
Yup that's me Straw. Very very dumb. Wanna link to any source, your choice, that validates either claim you make? They were looking for a dirty bomb, that much is true but you have some better intelligence (and I use that word most loosely there) then the feds if you know for a fact that one was to be set off in NYC. As for the hijackings..well a middle eastern woman traveling alone GASP.
Thanks for today's perspective. Its always entertaining, often infuriating, and seldom factual.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 112
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 12:03 pm: | |
I thought all passengers on those flights were accounted for and those that were suspect were determined to be ok. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2680
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 12:12 pm: | |
But, if nobody was captured or arrested, what's the basis for going back to yellow? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1747
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 12:12 pm: | |
So the war on terror is won. Contratulations, I guess we can all relax now. |
Yogi
Citizen
Username: Yogi
Post Number: 43
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 12:27 pm: | |
Fear: Bush's holiday gift to all. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1741
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:04 pm: | |
yeah,
those terrorists really don't exist..It's all make believe
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1748
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:19 pm: | |
Oh, we believe they exist allright, we've seen them in action. We just don't think lowering the alert level a notch is cause for a coronation. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4245
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 2:33 pm: | |
Guess it is safe for Bush to go back to Washington now. 
Seriously did they go with the split alert system, with airports, etc. staying on high alert? |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 831
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:34 pm: | |
Boring...
Have the switches from Yellow to Orange and back actually changed any MOL'ers activities whatsoever?
(Aside from participating in this stupid thread, I mean.) |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 404
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:43 pm: | |
If I were planning a terrorist attack, a change to a lower alert level would be the perfect signal to my accomplices to begin their attack. May the ignorant rest easy. |
growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 292
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:46 pm: | |
afraid...I was so afraid. Bush is so great. Thank you.} (note sarcasm) |
ML1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1459
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 3:52 pm: | |
notehead,
yes. I have made some changes. I match my wardrobe to the color codes so I always know whether we're at "elevated" or "high" risk. I was wearing a lot of black and navy for the past few weeks because they look great with orange accents. Black with yellow makes me look like a bumble bee though, so I've switched to warmer earth tones and accent with gold (I know it's technically not yellow, but it's close enough and looks classier). |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 834
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:04 pm: | |
That's what I call supporting the administration with style, man, I dig it.
For me, its like, okay... I'm up, I'm up... time to go to work... what kind of day is it today?
A Yellow Alert day?
Okay, cool, that means... that meanzzzzzzzz... HUH?!... oh... yeah... that means I'ma have my cup o' tea, and do what I gotta do.
What? It's an Orange Alert day?
Oh, man... that means... um... in that case... I guess that means I'ma have my cup o' tea, and do what I gotta do.
Yeah. |
mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 681
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:17 pm: | |
ML1 - isn't that how Sting got started? |
growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 293
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:22 pm: | |
After 9.11, you had a 1 in 9,500 chance of committing suicide. After 9.11, you had almost a1 in nil chance of getting killed by a terrorist. So, you are more of a threat to yourself that a terrorist is. Put down the butter knife…. |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1742
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:49 pm: | |
All I know is I'm happy the terror alert has been lowered to elevated.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1408
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 9, 2004 - 4:55 pm: | |
cmon straw.. you know more than that. You tell us so everyday!
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 138
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:06 am: | |
A Summary of Useful Research & References on the
11 September 2001 World Trade Center and Pentagon Bombings 11 September 2003 - compiled by David T. Ratcliffe The extensively hyperlinked version of this file is at:
ratical.org/ratville/CAH/911summary.html
We Are Not At War--The 9/11 bombings Are Crimes Against Humanity
The bombings of 11 September 2001 are clearly crimes against humanity (as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court ) because they are deliberate and intentional killing of large numbers of civilians for
political or other purposes. [See Crimes Against Humanity, Interview with former Nuremberg Prosecutor Benjamin Ferencz, The World
Online, 19 Sep 2001] After 9/11, people in the United States Executive Branch immediately chose to label the bombings as an act of war by a foreign aggressor rather than as a criminal act requiring redress through legal remedies.
But we are not at war. The 9/11 bombings were a crime against humanity mass murder of civilians. The U.N. Security Council rejected Bush II’s bid to label the bombings an "armed attack" by one state against another state. The resolution that was passed denominated these events as "terrorist attacks." As international law professor Francis
Boyle points out, "there is a magnitude of difference between an armed attack by one state against another state, which is an act of war, and a terrorist attack, which is not. . . . terrorists are dealt with as criminals. Terrorists are not treated like nation states. Terrorists are dealt with by means of international and domestic law enforcement. Terrorists are not given the dignity of special status under international law and practice."
[See We Are Not At War--The 9/11 bombings were Crimes Against Humanity by David Ratcliffe, rat haus reality press, May 2003 and George
Bush, Jr., September 11th and the Rule of Law, from The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence - Could The US War On Terrorism Go Nuclear?, by
Francis Boyle, Clarity Press, 1 February 2002] There is much to be done to challenge and dispell the bewitchment that "we are at war."
We Do Not Know The Actual Sponsorship of 9/11
The sole case presented against Osama bin Laden & Al Qaeda for the 9/11 bombings was a white paper entitled, " Responsibility for the terrorist atrocities in the United States ." Published in October 2001 by Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, this work acknowledges up front that it would not stand up in a court of law:
"This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Usama Bin Laden in a court of law. Intelligence often cannot be used evidentially, due both to the strict rules of admissibility and to the need to protect the safety of sources. But on the basis of all the information available HMG is confident of its conclusions as expressed in this document."
The above statement is a classic example of how the authority of our national security state structure is founded on unaccountability, the antithesis of a truly democratic governing process. With the intrinsic use of secrecy and
wholesale suppression of information, we are consistently relegated to an infantile status of not knowing the full scope of reasoning officials employ in their policy and law-making decisions.
This white paper was the only so-called proof given by Bush II for its claims of 9/11 sponsorship and it was not even authored by the United States government or an American citizen. We still do not know what interests actually
directed and engineered the 9/11 bombings as Gore Vidal points out in his illuminating October 2002 essay, "The Enemy Within":
"The media, never much good at analysis, are more and more breathless and incoherent. On CNN, even the stolid Jim Clancy started to hyperventilate when an Indian academic tried to explain how Iraq was once our ally and ‘friend’ in its war against our Satanic enemy Iran. ‘None of that conspiracy stuff,’ snuffed Clancy. Apparently, ‘conspiracy stuff’ is now shorthand for unspeakable truth. . . ."Mohammed Heikal is a brilliant Egyptian journalist-observer, and sometime Foreign Minister. On 10 October 2001, he said
to the Guardian: ‘Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaeda as if it were Nazi Germany or the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaeda has been penetrated by US intelligence,
Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a
degree of organisation and sophistication.’"
[See Section 3 of Foreknowledge of 9-11, A Compilation of Centre for Research on Globalisation articles and documents - The so-called "war on Terrorism" is a total fabrication: Who "harbors" whom? Osama-CIA links. Washington’s has consistently supported and abeted Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda, from the Cold War to the present (2002)] On 13 January 2002 in an interview with the Berlin Tagesspiegel daily,
former German Minister of Technology, Andreas von Buelow gave his assessment of the level of sponsorship necessary to carry out the 9/11 bombings:
"I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes
within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable,
without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry."
The Complete 9/11 Timeline from The Center for Cooperative Research (CCR) Paul Thompson’s exemplary research work, The Complete 9/11 Timeline (except for the title of this section all links reference the billstclair.com mirror which loads more quickly) is the most significant, exhaustive body of cross-referenced information available that assembles the mass of relevant commercial press articles (as well as other sources) in one place to connect the dots through an "hourglass lens" made up of five subdivisions: from 1979 to Dec.
2000 + Jan 2001 to 9/10/01, the Day of 9/11 itself, followed by 9/12/01 to Dec 2001 + Jan 2002 to the present.
This monumental work is freely available on the net in its entirety. It includes immensely detailed timelines of each of the four flights journeys as well as Bush on 9/11. In-depth essays focus on especially noteworthy threads. As
Paul explains, these works "help clarify some aspects of 9/11 [and] can help make some complicated aspects of the timeline easier to understand. Included in this group are:
"The Two Ziad Jarrahs" - Ziad Jarrah was in the two different places at the same time on more than one occasion. (24 Aug 2002)
" Sept. 11’s Smoking Gun: The Many Faces of Saeed Sheikh " - His actions prove the involvement of Pakistan’s secret service in the
September 11 attacks, and suggest a possible CIA role as well. (4 Sep 2002)
"They Tried to Warn Us: Foreign Intelligence Warnings Before 9/11" - Putting together all the missed foreign intelligence warnings, one
can see a pattern. (30 Jan 2003)" Is There More to the Capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Than Meets the Eye?" - The official story of his arrest is a mass of lies, cover-ups and contradictions. It is highly likely Mohammed was not arrested on the day officials say he was. (4 Mar 2003) "An Interesting Day: George Bush Jr. on 9/11" - The press has failed to ask questions about what Bush did on 9/11 and why. His strange
behavior and the obvious cover-up stories demands an explanation. (9 May 2003, by Allan Wood and Paul Thompson)
"The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 " - Had the US’s air defenses been properly managed on 9/11, all of the trajedies of that day
except for the crash of Flight 11 could have been averted. (29 May 2003)
Summaries have also been created because "as the timeline grows ever longer, its becoming harder and harder to keep track of certain patterns of information. The ‘Categories’ can help with this, but some stories cut across categories." These include timeline summaries on "9/11 Paymaster Saeed Sheikh," "9/11 Mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed," "ISI Director Mahmood Ahmed," "Would Be Hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui," and "Foreign Intelligence Warnings."
At some point in the past, this work might have been investigated and produced by the fourth estate. In our current era of corporate governance, this caliber of independent thinking and exercising our faculties for critical
analysis falls to each of us as co-creators of the nascent participatory democracy we choose to manifest in our own lives and actions. Thompson’s reasoning is articulate and well-concieved. As he points out in the introduction:
"The mainstream media is the one that’s failed to ‘connect the dots’. There are an amazing amount of intriguing news stories that
have squeaked into the media but not reached a wide audience, and/or have not been properly followed up or placed into context. I
haven’t seen anything that pulls it all together, so I’ve felt compelled to make this.
"You might call some or all of this ‘conspiracy theory.’ The term ‘conspiracy theory’ is bandied about to discredit ideas that run counter to what is widely believed. But sometimes the official story turns out to be a lie -- look at what the Nixon Administration was claiming and the press generally reporting when the Watergate story was in its early stages, for instance. The
alternative to conspiracy is coincidence theory. At some point, when enough ‘dots’ line up, the thought that everything is just
coincidence becomes the wildest theory of all.
"To be honest, I don’t know exactly what happened on 9-11. I have my theories and hunches, but its an extremely complicated plot, and there are a number of plausible explanations for part or all of the story’s aspects. Also, I don’t want to force my ideas down your throat. I’m using the timeline to draw attention to interesting stories that you may not have read. I have tried
to let the stories speak for themselves, and reduce my voice as much as possible. When I do add my own comments, I put those at
the end of a summary in question form and in italics. I hope you come to your own conclusions.
"This timeline is veeeeery, very long. It’s chock-full of information and may be difficult to get through. You may want to tackle a bit at a time (and if you’re impatient, start from around July 2001 to get to the ‘good stuff’). But 9/11 was possibly one of the most pivotal events in world history, and it’s impact will be felt on everyone for years to come. You owe it to yourself to go
beyond the sound bites and the simplified official story. This is an extremely complicated story with numerous players and motives. Not everything makes sense or fits neatly together. It’s a story full of espionage, deceit, and brazen lies. But if there are forces out there tricking us, they can only succeed if we, the general public, remain ignorant and passive."
The Complete 9/11 Timeline will be released in book form including foreign language editions. If you’re interested in purchasing it, please sign up here , and CCR will send you a notice when the book is available to order. The more
interest expressed in the book, the more publishers will promote the book. So please sign up and spread the news!
9/11 CitizensWatch
9/11 CitizensWatch is a watchdog group looking to discover the truth about the causes, events and responses to the
attacks of September 11, 2001. In this capacity it serves to monitor the National Commission on Terrorists Acts Upon
the United States (9/11 Commission). It is based in Washington, D.C. and New York City. 9/11 CitizensWatch is a
non-partisan grass-roots advocacy group created to insure transparency, accountability, public testimony, an open
record and a thorough investigation of 9/11 by all levels of government inquiry. It also serve as a liaison to the
Commission for issues and questions raised by families of victims and independent researchers.
The Importance of Uncovering the Truth About 9/11
9/11 is the pretext being used to justify a " war that won’t end in our lifetimes ," being waged in pre-emptive
interventions in over 50 countries and here at home. Yet, twenty months after the event we still don’t have a full and
formal accounting of the September 11th attacks. An extensive body of evidence and well-documented analysis has
called into question the official story and the extreme responses that followed 9/11 raises questions about the
administration’s on-going obstruction and delay of a full and impartial investigation that searches for the truth and
demands accountability.
Fundamental baseline questions articulated by 9/11 CitizensWatch include:
1. Why in the months before 9/11 did FBI headquarters consistently obstruct field agent investigations of potential
terrorists or terrorist financiers?
2. Why were many detailed warnings from the intelligence services of Britain, Germany, Israel, Egypt, Russia,
Italy, and other foreign governments ignored?
3. Why were some prominent travelers warned not to fly on 9/11?
4. Why in the days immediately before 9/11 were there massive spikes in the number of "puts" on the stocks of
airline and insurance companies?
5. Why did the chief of Pakistani Intelligence, Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed, approve over $100,000 in wire transfers to
Mohammed Atta prior to the attacks?
6. Why in the 1 hour and 20 minutes after the onset of a multiple hijacking, with hundreds dead or dying in the
Twin Towers, and a third jet hurtling to our nation’s capitol did no USAF, Navy or Air National Guard fighter
defend the Pentagon?
7. From investigator and former NBC reporter/producer Daniel Hopsicker’s Florida investigation : Why do
eyewitness accounts of the behavior and movements of lead hijacker Mohammed Atta conflict with the
findings of the government investigation?
8. Why in the wake of the most cataclysmic intelligence and air defense failures in American history have no
government officials or Pentagon brass been held accountable for the September 11 tragedy?
9. Why, in the wake of the most cataclysmic intelligence and air defense failures in American history, have
responsible government officials and Pentagon brass been rewarded with promotions?
10. Why did the Bush/Cheney Administration for over a year stonewall victims’ family members demands for a
full independent investigation?
11. Why, after 9/11. are new government contracts being issued to private government contractors who have never
been accountable for $3.3 trillion of "undocumentable adjustments" in the accounting and information systems
they manage?
A CitizensWatch member attended the 3rd public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks and Press
Briefing held on 9 Jul 2003 and passed out a list of questions about the terrorists addressed to Al Felzenberg, the
Commission’s Deputy for Communications. Excerpts from the full list follow.
These are the major outstanding questions that the 9/11 CitizensWatch has been asking:
1. Were all the 19 suspects named and pictured by the FBI in press reports actually on the planes on 9/11?
8 people came forward in Egypt and Saudi Arabia after the incident claiming that the pictures and names listed
were their own, but they were still alive and not aboard the planes....
Was there false sponsorship involved? Were some or all of the suspects using false identities? What is the
historical relationship between Al Quaeda, the Taliban and the broader mujehaddin movement they sprang from
in Afghanistan and US intelligence operations and proxies in the area being used as their assets?
2. Was the creation, support and funding of Al Quaeda and Bin Laden’s activities funnelled through Pakistani intelligence
(ISI)? (See: Unholy Wars by John Cooley [2d ed. 2000, 3d ed. 2002], Taliban by Ahmed Rashid)
Was the source of that support for the mujehaddin and Al Quaeda primarily American CIA funding, Saudi
Arabian funding, and opium funding? (See: Unholy Wars by John Cooley)
Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor for President Carter seems to have developed the strategy and
policy of containment and control of Eurasia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, relying on the creation of the
mujehaddin to destabilize the region as well as introduction of US forces ... to capture control of the oil and other
assets of the Caspian Sea Basin as well as the former Soviet Union itself. (The Grand Chessboard, Brzesinski).
William Casey, former DCI at the CIA under President Reagan developed at least two large "off-the-shelf" covert
operations that carried out US foreign policies abroad without Congressional or public approval, both with
similar funding and operational sources. Funding for the first, the mujehaddin movement in Afghanistan and
elsewhere, came from CIA through ISI and from Saudi Arabia through Bank of Credit and Commerce
International (BCCI).... The second, Contragate, was similarly funded through CIA and BCCI, and followed the
same pattern of ties to paramilitary groups and illicit drug profits. Major personnel from the second operation are
now in positions of considerable power throughout the current administration ( Poindexter , Abrams, Reich ,
Armitage and others). A similar pattern of CIA backed forces using drug profits in the region, and involving Bin
Laden and Al Quaeda was apparent in the Kosovo Liberation Army operations during the Bosnia conflict.
(Drugs, Oil, and War, Peter Dale Scott)...
The investigation of Al Quaeda by former FBI agent John O’Neill, later director of security at the Twin Towers
and a victim of the attack, which was based on information stemming from the 1993 attack on the Towers, was
apparently frustrated by the FBI, leading to his resignation. What has been done to follow up on his work and
those who stymied it?
3. What is the actual history of the movements and relations of the 19 suspects inside and outside the United States in the
years prior to the attack?...
Do the 19 suspects show sufficient motivation, capablilities and discipline, or religious fervor in their personal
lives to carry out a "suicide mission"? Were they devout Muslims? Were they well-trained pilots capable of the
"dogfight" maneuvers taken by the planes that day, especially by Flight 77? Were they disciplined or trained
elements of a paramilitary operation?
Were or are there existing or ongoing connections between Bin Laden, his family and President Bush, his father,
and their corporate and administrative allies and friends?
4. What was the relationship of major oil companies who provided key figures in both Bush administrations, and their
suppliers (Unocal, Haliburton, Enron) to the Taliban? Did the refusal of the Taliban to accommodate a planned oil
pipeline through Afghanistan lead to plans for their removal that predated 9/11? (Taliban by Ahmed Rashid).
What was the role of the Carlyle Group or Haliburton in investments relating to defense production and the wars
that followed 9/11 and their link to major adminstration figures and planners as well as to the Bush and Bin
Laden families?
Were members of the Bin Laden family allowed to fly out of the United States after 9/11 when other air transport
was cancelled? Who arranged for this departure? Was Osama Bin Laden really ostracized by his family, or were
there ongoing relations as reported in the international press, including visits at an American-run hospital at
Dubai where Osama had medical treatments?
Were Bin Laden and key Al Quaeda elements allowed to escape from Tora Bora by US forces, as claimed by
some personnel present?...
This list is not exhaustive, but is indicative of some of the questions researchers and family members and the public have been
concerned with regarding the suspects named as responsible for 9/11, their true sponsorship, and the historical and more current
relationship of US covert intelligence operations and assets and those now pitted against us in the "war on terrorism"....
Film Transcripts/Recordings
Aftermath: Unanswered Questions From 911, Guerrilla News Network
The Great Deception - What really happened on Sept. 11, 2001 from VisionTV ’s Insight Mediafile hosted by
Barrie Zwicker, Insight Media Analyst, Jan-Feb 2002
Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death, by Scottish journalist Jamie Doran and Afghan journalist Najibullah
Quraishi This film, documenting that U.S. troops were complicit in the alleged massacre of 3,000 Taliban prisoners in Afghanistan, first
premiered in the U.S. on 23 May 2003 on Democracy Now!’s public radio and television show.
Additional References
What the World Wants -- and How To Pay For It Using Military Expenditures, a World Game Institute project
Text and analysis of the ‘USA PATRIOT Act’ and Draft: The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003
The Federalist Society: Hijacking Justice, by George Curry & Trevor Coleman, Emerge, October 1999
Perversions of Justice, talk by Ward Churchill, 2/22/03
Impeach Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld Campaign
SITE REPLICA: Policy Analysis Market - betting on war, capitalism’s logical endstate
Peter Dale Scott: On War, 9/11, Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda, Drugs, Oil, Iraq, and Osama bin Laden
The War on Freedom, How and Why America was Attacked September 11, 2001, Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed
The Secret Team, The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World, by L. Fletcher Prouty,
Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.), 1973, 1997
Understanding Special Operations , And Their Impact on The Vietnam War Era - 1989 Interview with L.
Fletcher Prouty, Colonel USAF (Retired), by David T. Ratcliffe, 1999.
The Gatekeepers, The Progressive / Left establishment and the marginalization of conspiracy research
9/11 Primer: Broadening Our Perspectives of 11 September 2001, by David T. Ratcliffe, September 2002
Sanctions and War on Iraq: In 300 words - Citizens Concerned for the People of Iraq, 8/11/02
truthout, CommonDreams, Online Journal, and CounterPunch - a more representative lens of all our humanity
The Emperor’s New Clothes independent analysis includes a listing of Articles On 9-11
Uprooting "Growth" as Metaphor: 20th Century Reflections for the 21st, by Richard Grossman, 1999
The Rule Of Law versus Democracy, by Doug Hammerstrom, Winter 2002
Richard Grossman on the USA Patriot Act and the Rule of Law, 12/11/01
Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II by William Blum (1995, revised 2001)
The Sunshine Project - research and facts about biological weapons and biotechnology
Council for Responsible Genetics fosters public debate about the social, ethical and environmental implications
of genetic technologies |
Duncan
Citizen
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1409
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:01 am: | |
did anyone actually read all this??
Ainsworth..if you are gonna post this much stuff, please take the time to format it better.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 428
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:14 am: | |
Thank you Mr. Bush and friends for watching over us and trying your best to keep us safe. Afterall we all know that terrorism in America not just a myth, its a reality. And Thank you for responding so well to what the evil people did to us on September 11, 2001 and beyond and keeping the Holidays safe for all of us.
Dont listen to all of these unappreciative, ungrateful and hateful people, theyll always have something to complain about. If it was one of their loved ones on one of those suspected planes and something terrible did happen, they would have been screaming that you didnt do anything to stop it. You know politics, Damned if you and Damned if you dont. Thanks for doing whats right and keep up the good work. America will show its appreciation in November by re-electing you so you can continue the progress.
Sincerely
NRL |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1752
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:22 am: | |
I don't know where you've been, but I haven't heard anybody complaining that those flights were cancelled last week. |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 148
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 8:26 am: | |
Is George W. Bush really keeping you safe?
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=1 |
Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1745
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 9:11 am: | |
This war on terror is unlike any war known in the history of man kind. The enemy has no land, the enemy has no face or colors or history. The enemy is willing to have their woman and even children do the killing for them.
They can appear anywhere at any time and all we can do if we're serious about fighting terror is follow through on intelligence to the best of our abilities. This means plowing through red tape AND MAKING SURE ALL FACTIONS OF INTELLIGENCE WORK TOGETHER!
So far, the Bush Administration has done this and the results are clear. We have not been hit since nine-eleven. If you don't understand what it is President Bush has done for you so far,you never will. Nine-eleven was going to be the start of something bigger, don't fool yourself into thinking it was an isolated incident. Once the terrorists realized America was open for attack more would have followded. That's what they do, that's what they've done in Israel and that's what they were planning here. Bush has to his credit turned the tides on these animals.
As I've often said, and I'll say it again. Americans as a majority appreciate Bush/Cheney.
As a result we will award the administration with 4 more years.
Thank You and God Bless the United States of America.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2047
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 9:22 am: | |
Straw,
You've got to read more. Terrorism has been around throughout human history. As with other forms of warfare, technology has increased the possiblities of terrorism, but the idea has been around forever.
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Greatest Straw of all time!
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1747
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 9:31 am: | |
Sorry tjohn,
The Islamic terrorist has not been around for centuries. This is a completely different animal.
Actually due in part to Clinton, who was asleep at the wheel, the strength and power of the Islamic terrorist was stronger then ever on 9-11-01.
BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 150
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 10:23 am: | |
http://www.freeworldalliance.com/bushbetrayal.htm |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2050
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 1:19 pm: | |
The Clinton Administration took the terrorist threat seriously and was responding appropriately. Were it not for the coup in Pakistan, a plan to apprehend Bin Laden might have worked.
Meanwhile, the ever responsible Republican opposition spent the better part of the 90's trying to protect us from Clinton's personal failings. |
Ainsworth Hunt
Citizen
Username: Ainsworth
Post Number: 155
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 3:17 pm: | |
A rare case where I disagree with you TJ, the Clinton administration was also part of The New World Order. In 1996 the CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the Taliban. Bill Clinton was instrumental in ensuring that Bin Laden remained free when he might have easily been detained in 1998. Please see following links:
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/US_met_taliban.htm
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/taliban.htm
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/911analysis.html |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 1756
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 4:53 pm: | |
Clinton wasn't asleep at the wheel, he was tied up fending off a pathological grand inquisitor and his cohorts on the house judiciary committee. I'd like to see how well you do YOUR job with that kind of interference! |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 846
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 11:42 pm: | |
I just can't bring myself to thank an administration for reducing a threat that they have so much responsibility for creating in the first place. (The Bushes go way back with both the bin Laden's & the 'House of Saud', the back-slapping with Rummie and Saddam in years past, the fostering of the Taliban, arming both the Iranians and the Iraqis, etc.) |
Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 691
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:13 am: | |
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1073889074176580.xml
Gun lobby sets sights on weapons restrictions
Republican-controlled Congress will be considering measures to roll back laws currently on the books
Monday, January 12, 2004
BY ROBERT COHEN
STAR-LEDGER WASHINGTON BUREAU
WASHINGTON -- The gun lobby is marshaling its forces for an all-out assault this year to weaken key gun-control laws and shield weapons makers from liability in lawsuits.
"Major advances for the NRA are within reach this year," said Robert Spitzer, a political science professor at the State University of New York and author of a book on the politics of gun control. "With the most sympathetic administration ever, the gun rights groups will have all their chips on the table."
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...uh...what was that about making us safer? |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 192
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:24 am: | |
Buy yourself a gun. You'll feel a great deal safer. |
bobk
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4271
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:27 am: | |
BTW, isn't Dean a gun rights advocate? Another complexity to a very complex personality I think. |
Michaela May
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Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 25
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:57 pm: | |
Straw, I wonder how much of your post on Saturday morning could be replaced with Cold War rhetoric? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 673
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 3:05 pm: | |
Ainsworth -- was that your black helicopter behind the Kings in Short Hills?
Open channel D..... |
themp
Citizen
Username: Themp
Post Number: 352
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:16 pm: | |
Straw is a bloated brownshirt. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 851
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 4:59 pm: | |
Is he banned currently? We haven't a tactful, measured, objective post from him in hours.
...or ever. |
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