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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:21 pm: |     |
Straw your reply to Notehead shows that, today at least, you are so full of S&*t that your teeth float.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 559
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:32 pm: | |
I got a five day ban for “Asshat” what does DUNCAN get for “S&*t” or STRAW and TJOHN get for “piss ass”?
I guess it only matters if DAVE is having a power trip, or DAVE = STRAW or, DAVE = STRAW'S BiTCH
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10580
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:34 pm: | |
Dearest Notehead,
If you book your flight now you might be able to save some moolah
See ya. Please turn in your passport at the airport.
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Yogi
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Username: Yogi
Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:34 pm: | |
I've rarely heard such jingoism without it being in the form of parody. The way Straw speaks is somewhat threatening, too. Maybe he (or she) needs anger management.
Notehead expressed personal feelings and never said he "hated America". And and he's right about the fact that life is not as pleasant here as in other nations because we work ourselves too hard. Yes, we get to have very modern things,but people are different and some prefer a life less tethered to the corporate ladder and ever-increasing demands on our free time. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2063
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:41 pm: | |
A lot of Jews left Germany in the 1930's. But they didn't hate Germany. On the contrary, Germany had changed and they were no longer welcome and, in fact, were the ones hated. The wiser among them saw this in time and made the difficult decision to leave their homes in Germany while there was still time.
The point is that most people who leave their home countries do so not because they hate their country but for some other reason. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1414
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:46 pm: | |
Hey Brett.. thats a might whiny post on your part. Tell ya what. I will ban my own self from the soapbox. Since the bulk of the garbage posted out here is hateful, meanspirited and never, I REPEAT NEVER meant to educate, illuminate, or clarify. It is usually intellectual masterbation carried out with high school bravado. Sad too, because some of the sophomores are actually pretty smart, they are just bullies who have a serious absence of modesty that might make their poison more palatable.
See ya next week sometime.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 560
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 5:48 pm: | |
I agree with %100, yes it was whiny, Not that you should ban yourself though. I was just watching for inconsistencies. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 917
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 6:20 pm: | |
Boy, some of you must be having a really bad day!
Sorry to say, the question title of this thread has just been answered. What some of you will do is come on here and gloat or whine and attack each other.
But Ed May will celebrate and Nohero will accept it and continue to express himself. I'm with both those two guys. If Bush is re-elected I'll celebrate democracy, be dissapointed that a better person is not President, look forward to 2008 and read Nohero's opinions and express my own.
Hey, I've lived through a good number of Presidents and hope to live through many more. And whether Bush is re-elected or whether we get Dean, Gephart, Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards or Clark (or even Kucinich, Sharpton or Moseley-Braun) the country will survive.
But, of course, this is easy for me to say because my candidate, Joe Biden, refused to run! |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 842
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 7:02 pm: | |
Straw, you are hilarious, dude. But you'd be even more entertaining if you weren't so predictable.
Listen, I generally do my utmost to ignore your posts. (Hey, remember that time you accused me of not caring about the Jews killed in Holocaust? You sure do have style, dontcha?) Let me take this opportunity to opine that my love for this country, ALL of this country, all that it has been and all that it can be, vastly, I mean really really really exceeds yours. You are incapable of understanding that because you don't have a true understanding of what "America" is. Leaving would break my heart, but if we keep going in the same direction as we have been then I'll owe it to my children to raise them elsewhere.
Question for you (if you can break your usual pattern and actually answer a direct question): do you think it is possible that people in other countries are good people -- intelligent, ethical, fun, creative, productive, and respectful of each other? (Or are those not the qualities that you think a good person would have?)
Sbenois, listen, if we do end up moving, there's a lot of people we'll miss. I'm trying to come up with a way in which any of them resemble you... but it's pretty tough. Most of them, after all, are funny and insightful. Anyway, thanks for the tip. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10581
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 7:46 pm: | |
Let's be clear here: I wasn't trying to be insightful or funny. I think that if you really believe that conditions here in the US are going against your value system, then you really ought to leave.
I also believe that people like Nohero deserve a ton more respect than you do because they understand that the best way to get this country on the road to nirvana is to do it from within our borders .
How's that for insight?
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 843
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 8:30 pm: | |
If I felt like we had a properly functioning democracy here, where doing my one citizen's worth would have it's proper measure of effect, then moving away wouldn't enter my mind.
I dunno if you have kids or not, but try this: which is more important - patriotism, or your child's well-being? Patriotism is a fine quality, but I'd bet a box of your gramma's cigars that most people place a higher priority on their kids. The horrible thing is having to choose between the two things, but I think it's possible that I will. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 446
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 8:46 pm: | |
I feel as though a Bush victory will send the message that our citizens are giving the administration a mandate to preemptively invade any countries they choose. The question in a few years, for many of us will be: do we want our children to be cannon fodder in Syria, or Iran, or North Korea, or some other place. The correct answer of course, is to stay and try to improve things, not to leave. But if you don't believe that fighting wars all over the globe makes us safer here, and they decide to start drafting your kids, what do you do? |
llama
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Username: Llama
Post Number: 406
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 8:54 pm: | |
Insite:
"He must be with the typo police. Very impressive."
It is so pathetic that you are foolish enough to display your hypocracy on MOL. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10582
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 9:15 pm: | |
If I felt like we had a properly functioning democracy here,
Sorry you feel that way. While we might not be perfect, we're sure a hell of a lot better off than most. On January 20th, every four years, a new leader takes office without any bloodshed. Given the scale of our country, don't you think that's rather remarkable? Isn't it even more remarkable that we've done this for over 200 years?
where doing my one citizen's worth would have it's proper measure of effect, then moving away wouldn't enter my mind.
There are 250 million people in this country. One individual's voice is difficult to be heard. Sorry to disappoint you. But your thinking is flawed since you've got the opportunity to join others with similar views to yours and to then collectively make a difference. Running away to Costa Rica denies your children the opportunity to live the greatest experiment in freedom that's ever been known to mankind.
I dunno if you have kids or not, but try this: which is more important - patriotism, or your child's well-being? Patriotism is a fine quality, but I'd bet a box of your gramma's cigars that most people place a higher priority on their kids.
If my grandmother were alive today she'd tell you that she got on a boat as a young teen and crossed the Atlantic Ocean just so she'd have the opportunity to struggle at making a life for herself in this great experiment that she called America. After watching her son grow up to raise his children here, and after seeing him and them prosper to a degreee that far outstripped anything that she could have ever imagined, she's probably look at you and tell you that you're a quitter. She'd tell you that her son fought during World War II in order to preserve freedom and democracy and that you've got some nerve by not defending our democracy against foes that surely must be easier to defeat than Adolf Hitler.
The horrible thing is having to choose between the two things, but I think it's possible that I will.
Grandma just called me and said that you've clearly not ever understood real struggle in your life. She's very disappointed in you. She wants to know why your life is so tough that you need to take your children away from the very country she wanted so dearly to struggle in.
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 607
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 9:19 pm: | |
Nothing against Notehead but the United States wasn't founded on quitting types anyway.
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callista
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Username: Callista
Post Number: 18
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 9:29 pm: | |
Sbenois-
Very intelligent and incisive post! |
NRL
Citizen
Username: Nrl
Post Number: 431
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 9:55 pm: | |
Boy, am I glad I didnt get in the middle of this one. Too busy renovating the home office this weekend.
What happened to all of the new years resolutions?? I thought we were all going to act more civil and not feed the poisonous posters? I thought I was bad, you guys are freakin fierce.
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notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 845
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 9:58 pm: | |
Good post. Okay, I'm staying.
(But... how did Grandma call if she isn't alive?)
Honestly, I do agree with most of what you say. America has in many ways developed the model that so many other countries are attempting to follow. But now we are failing to live up to the principles that we were founded on, and the mechanisms to change have been corrupted, as any proponent of campaign finance reform will tell you. And what on earth can I, or a million other individuals do, if our economy has gotten so completely f.u.b.a.r that my entire generation is going to be utterly dependent on our kids to pay our every expense when we get old? Mistakes are being made that cannot be fixed by casting my vote, organizing a protest, writing a letter, or joining an army.
Lumpy, I appreciate your point very much indeed if you are talking about the Founding Fathers... but I also think attention should be given to the Pilgrims. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10583
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 10:01 pm: | |
Grandma called using the Sbenois Premonition Phone.
She also wants you to take back that comment about my not being insightful.
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Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03
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Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2689
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 10:06 pm: | |
Not to pick on Sbenois, but since his quote provides the best starting point, there it is. He wrote above:
quote:I also believe that people like Nohero deserve a ton more respect than you do because they understand that the best way to get this country on the road to nirvana is to do it from within our borders.
Well, that's all well and good, but that's not a sentiment which is adopted by many folks (here or in general discourse) when issues are actually on the table. Look at the invective which was hurled this time last year, when war was imminent, and anybody who didn't sign on to the "war party" was branded as "anti-American".
I read Notehead as basically "venting", and being understandably discouraged. When I wrote above that I'd "move on" if Bush is elected President, that was based on a greater faith in America, then in the character of "W". I do so knowing that, unlike so many people in this country, I've been able to insulate myself and my family from whatever cold, social-Darwinistic policies may come down the line from the current administration. So far, in my little corner of the world I'm protected from this administration's antipathy towards public education, public health care, and public responsibility for the less fortunate among us. "There but for the grace of God", as the saying goes.
But, what of the future? I would hope that my faith in the ultimate goodness of the US, would not be mistaken for a passive acceptance of whatever the current administration may try to pawn off on us if they actually win an election in 2004. So, put me down on the side of Notehead, and those like him, and not on the side of those who refuse to critically examine where, under this administration, our country is going.
... in a handbasket, may I add ...
[Edited to add: While I was composing the above, it looks like everybody is starting to make up. Good.] |
Frost French
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Username: Frost
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:29 am: | |
What will I do if Bush wins in '04? Move to Canada, period. I already have the immigration papers in hand; picked them up from Canadian Immigration this summer. I've taken the practice test online and scored 100% for entry into Canada.
Bush gets another four years to plunder the United States and I get almost no gun violence and free health care. Seems like a win-win scenario to me. I'll come back and visit the States if the Bush administration hasn't turned them into a smoking black hole of despair and poverty by then.
I won't be swayed by rabid jingoists like Strawberry with his impotent bullying and almost homoerotic Bush-love.
God Bless Canada. |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 352
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:38 am: | |
As someone who has lived elsewhere, I can say I won't leave (even though Canada has looked attractive at certain times. If my draft # had come up during Viet Nam, I possibly would be saying Ay, way too much. Would I have been a coward ?, not any more then embarrasment currently occupying the White House. ).
I'm trying to remain optimistic but I'm gearing up for another 4 years of Dumbya, since the Democrats look like they can't get it together. I'll sigh, hope for the best and work damn hard to get this guy out in 2008.
The only thing positive I can say for the Dumbya regime is, sometimes great art is created when you have an administration that is so Hawkish. A lot of great art was created during Tricky Dicky's reign. Am I comparing Dumbya to Nixon, nah, Nixon was a LOT smarter.
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Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 350
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:06 am: | |
Canada has always given shelter to oppressed people fleeing the United States. Before the Civil War, it took in escaped slaves from the South. Later that century, it was Native Americans unable to defend their lands against white invaders, since the U.S. Government seldom respected the treaties it had signed with native leaders.
Canada also gave Americans their first chance to defend democracy against the Nazis in World War Two. The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan trained close to 9000 Americans out of the 131,000 pilots and other aircrew it trained between 1940 and 1945. The quote below is from www.rcaf.com, a history site. A somewhat wordier version is available on the official Canadian Forces site at www.airforce.forces.gc.ca
quote:By the summer of 1940 the supply of experienced Canadian pilots needed for flying instructors and for miscellaneous flying duties was nearly exhausted and the RCAF looked south of the border for a fresh supply. As the United States was not at war American pilots had to be "smuggled" into Canada through a clandestine recruiting organization set up by Air Marshall W.A. (Billy) Bishop. In addition, although there was no shortage of young Canadian aircrew recruits, American boys, attracted by the publicity given the BCATP, began crossing the border and lined up outside the nearest recruiting centres in such members that they caused some embarrassment to Canadian authorities. Occasionally they were followed by worried parents who, sometimes successfully and sometimes not, pleaded with them to forget about foreign wars and go back to school. Eventually, President Roosevelt gave his blessing to this mass exodus and ordered that Americans going to Canada to join the RCAF or RAF be granted exemption by the draft board. After Pearl Harbour 1759 American members of the RCAF transferred to the armed forces of the United States, another 2000 transferred later on and about 5000 completed their service with the RCAF.
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mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 2602
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 9:49 am: | |
Note to Notehead,
Places to move: "Belize or Dominica or Costa Rica"
Very depressed countries, with varying degrees of corrupt government. Great vacation places though.
Toronto: Also in a slump, as well as being in a country that depends very heavily upon it's neighbor - your favorite - the US, economically.
"Mistakes are being made that cannot be fixed by casting my vote, organizing a protest, writing a letter, or joining an army." Maybe you're right, but unlike many countries, we have the freedom to do all these things, as well as a bigger possibility of having more impact if you do try.
Just a teeny observation from me, in my garage, baking road kill cookies with my Betty Crock O sh*t oven.
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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 853
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 1:54 pm: | |
Thanks, Mem. Also, Toronto gets too COLD. But if I get frostbite, it won't cost me an arm and a leg to treat it. (sorry, sorry...)
Hey, when you start giving those cookies out, you want to mention that those little thingies are NOT chocolate chips. |
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