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buzzsaw
Citizen
Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 8:44 am: |     |
So this guy is questioning other canidates record on race relations?? In my opinion - he really does not score too high on this either.
Anyone agree? or not? Curious.....
"Under fire in a campaign debate, Howard Dean conceded grudgingly Sunday night that he never named a black or Latino to his cabinet during nearly 12 years as governor of Vermont.
"If you want to lecture people on race, you ought to have the background and track record to do that," Al Sharpton snapped at the Democratic presidential front-runner in an emotionally charged exchange in the final debate before next week's kick-off Iowa caucuses.
"I will take a backseat to no one in my commitment to civil rights in the United States of America," Dean said moments later, eager to have the last word. "
There is. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 608
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:58 am: | |
Al has just gave GWB some fighing words if Dean is chosen. Put your money where your mouth is. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 447
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:10 am: | |
In Dean's defense, the state of Vermont is 96.8% Caucasian. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 667
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 10:41 am: | |
Dean isn't doing anything different than the rest of the Democrat Party does at the national level. The funny part is black voters still give them 90% of their vote, don't get any powerful positions and are still whining about the same stuff and lack of improvement in their status for the last 40 years. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 448
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:06 am: | |
That's right Clinton had no black appointees, except for:
Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, Labor Secretary Alexis M. Herman, Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary, Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater, Veterans Affairs Secretary Jesse Brown and Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Susan E. Rice.
And his only appointments for the position of Surgeon General were African Americans (Jocelyn Elders and David Satcher).
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 668
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:55 am: | |
You're right. Ron Brown was CLinton's bagman, and they got Sec of Ag and Energy. Whoopee.
NSC director, Sec of State and Sec of Education, with top enforcer under Atty General was Larry Thompson in charge of perp-walks for corporate scandals. Estrada...
Maybe not though. Estrada wasn't a 'real' Hispanic per Bob Menendez, D-NJ |
Crazyguggenheim
Citizen
Username: Crazyguggenheim
Post Number: 495
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:10 pm: | |
Sharpton's an ass.
Call me crazy |
buzzsaw
Citizen
Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:36 pm: | |
Why people take this guy seriously is beyond me. I would rather vote for sharpe james.
I have seen no one question al's record. The sad power he has over people.
Dr. O'Boogie has a pretty good point.
There is. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 847
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:42 pm: | |
CrazyG has a pretty good point, too. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1685
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:43 pm: | |
Sharpton is a charlatan. Isn't that clear enough?
Appointments of minority people to chief positions are merely symbolic. Policies that benefit minorities count more.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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mfpark
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 157
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 1:44 pm: | |
Given Sharpton's financial acumen running his campaign, perhaps Dean could appoint the good Reverand Secretary of the Treasury. |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 355
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:32 pm: | |
I don't think Dean would fit in at Junior's on Flatbush Ave. in Brooklyn. This is Sharpton's "unofficial", office. Despite my distaste for the Reverends methods (he could do a lot of good by just admitting he was wrong on the Tawana Brawley scandel), it was hard for me to stay away from Juniors cheesecake (best in the world in my humble opinion). |
Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 24
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 2:47 pm: | |
I think Vermont has something like six cabinet positions?
Sharpton was bringing up an issue that the Dean is likely very afraid of. He doesn't want to point out that he was the governor of an overwhelmingly white state! Not that the issue tarnishes him as a person, but it certainly doesn't help minority voters is some key states relate to him or to his experiences.
Perhaps a bigger problem is the percentages of white people in Iowa and New Hampshire, 95.1 and 92.6 perent respectively ... |
bottomline
Citizen
Username: Bottomline
Post Number: 43
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:04 pm: | |
Sharpton’s ethics are dubious and his rants are often embarrassing. But he knows how to resonate with the frustrations of African Americans. You don’t have to like him (I don’t), but don’t underestimate him as a political force. He’s dumb like a fox.
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Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1690
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:06 pm: | |
I trust what you're saying, bottomline, but in that case, what is his bottomline (oops) contribution to the Democrats' efforts to unseat Bush? If he tears up Dean's credibility, whom does that serve? Everyone knows that Sharpton won't win the nomination.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
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bottomline
Citizen
Username: Bottomline
Post Number: 44
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 5:25 pm: | |
I’m not defending him, Tom, just commenting on how he draws personal support. In some instances, but not this one, Sharpton has raised awareness of difficult issues. However, I don’t see that he’s making a positive contribution to the Dem’s nominating process this year. In this campaign he seems only to be self-serving, something at which he flourishes.
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Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 354
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 7:43 pm: | |
As if they aren't all self-serving to some degree? |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 233
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:35 pm: | |
oboogie, 98% is no excuse for segregation. He could have done what a lot of state and county governments do everyday. They go outside of the community to attract minority candidates.
From such a supposedly progressive state and a supposedly progressive former govenor, he is elitist and doesn't care about minorities until now? Come on.
Sorry, I agree with Big Al and think it's about time the elitists have to respond to the type of barbs they throw at their opponents daily. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2696
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 9:54 pm: | |
I love how so many new people have discovered "diversity" all of a sudden. Diversity is a load of "BS" when we're discussing our own community, but it's critically important when we're discussing Vermont, and they offer the helpful suggestion of "importing" minorities.
Can you feel the love? |
Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 26
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:02 pm: | |
I think Al Sharpton's presence in the race is important -- he makes candidates and voters discuss issues that many feel are taboo.
Tomorrow is the DC, non-binding primary -- and the only major candidate on the ballot is Dean. I am putting some serious thought into voting for Braun. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 449
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:40 am: | |
Reflective,
0.5% of Vermont's population is African American. Was Dean suppposed to "import" black cabinet candidates from out of state? If he had, the same people criticizing him now would have accused him of excessive political correctness.
damned if you do... |
stefano
Citizen
Username: Stefano
Post Number: 396
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 12:44 am: | |
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 685
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:46 am: | |
Dean's record on appointing women -- who are 'minorites' and disadvantaged in the thinking of many -- is quite good I'm told.
I think he worked with what the state gave him -- which wasn't much in terms of minorities. |
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