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     Insite Citizen Username: Insite Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2002 |
Tom, If I have to explain it to you, it's just not worth my time. I'm not Nohero, I do have a job to worry about instead. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1769 Registered: 5-2001 |
well if it takes too much time then it can't be all the clear. Maybe you can just highlight the words in the above quote that specifically refute something. | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2003 |
So if O'Neill is correct, Bush is not the mastermind behind all the oliver stone type conspiracy theories many on this board have spewed throughout the past few months? And all the cabinet members and other republican leaders are not telling the truth? He is either a moron or an evil mastermind--make up your minds. oh wait, that would mean 50% less bitching and moaning, so i guess that wouldn't work on this board. The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| Duncan Citizen Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 1422 Registered: 12-2001  |
Insite..as usual you provide none. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" Wayne Gretzky | ||
| algebra2 Citizen Username: Algebra2 Post Number: 1542 Registered: 5-2001  |
When is Strawberry coming back?  | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2712 Registered: 10-1999  |
OO-fah! Sucker punched by Insite! The guy at the end of the bar who says, "I'm not like you effete lefty liberal crap-hurlers, I work for a living." Anyway, we may disagree but Rumsfeld saying, "I have a different impression", is a mild way to call O'Neill a liar, if at all. Okay, lunch is over ... | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 858 Registered: 5-2001  |
Insite: Honestly, the MOL experience seems to be 100% negative for you. Many of your posts have little purpose other than to show support for another poster who is one of the most annoying and difficult people on MOL, politics and beliefs aside. You are so quick to urge people to leave the country if they are unhappy with trends in the U.S., well, let's turn that around: if you have nothing good to say about MOL, then TAKE A FREAKIN' HIKE! | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 259 Registered: 9-2003  |
The great Paul O'Neill roar turned out to be more like a whimper. Let's review what we heard last weekend vs. what we are hearing today: 1. O'Neill said that Bush was disengaged at Cabinet meetings, “A blind man in a room full of deaf people.” That doesn't make sense. A blind man can hear, and deaf people can communicate, but never mind. Now we have O'Neill saying that he wishes he hadn't said that in the first place. 2. Then a big deal was made over O'Neill's revelation that the Bush Administration was making plans for an invasion of Iraq almost as soon as they moved into the White House. Oops. Then we learn that the Clinton Administration had been making the very same plans, and that in fact those plans were required after a law was passed in 1998 making regime change in Iraq an integral part of American foreign policy. 3. So, how does Paul O’Neill really feel about Bush? He states that he is going to vote for Bush in 2004, because "I don't see anyone who is better prepared or more capable." What does all this tell you? And Bobk, being a fairly regular reader of this board for a few years now, I cannot ever remember you being “accused of being a right wing extremist.” I find it astonishing that you can post that you are “fairly regularly.” May I ask you to please provide evidence of at least two incidences in the past six months where this has been the case. If not, stop your cries of foul. | ||
| Kenney Citizen Username: Kenney Post Number: 310 Registered: 11-2003 |
Don, A very thoughtful well-tempered summary of recent events--are you sure you are in the right place? The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR.. Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W. Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. Dave Ross is the coolest!!(being banned sucks) | ||
| Insite Citizen Username: Insite Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2002 |
The reason I check into MOL is because I can't believe my old town is now made up of queers and radicals. How did that happen, or is it just the MOL soapbox? | ||
| JJC Citizen Username: Mercury Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2002 |
Can't help you there. Would you like to contribute to the discussion? | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10598 Registered: 10-2001  |
Dear Mr. Ross, I have thought all day about your earlier post and here is my response. You Poopyhead. Meanwhile a single working mother making $35,000 paid more in taxes than Continental Airlines last year. That's nice. I'm sure that that working mother took good care of her kids. I'm also sure that she didn't employ 43,900 people while operating at a loss. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what Ms. Single Mother has to do with Mr. Bethune's company, but as is clear from your logic, old Gordon must be a baaaad man because he runs a corporation (lyin' schemin' bastards) while Ms. Single Mother is just trying to make ends meets. I am sorry that she is struggling. I truly am. Is there any help on the way? Actually, Mr. Ross, there is just a little good news. That single mother, assuming she has say two kids, no investment income, standard deduction, etc, is going to see her tax bill go this year from $2580 down to $1730 a reduction of 32.95%. Are you going to tell me that she's not going to be happy with seeing that reduction? Is she chewing on blue pills? The national debt is exploding. Who cares? I care. I'm not happy about it. But I don't have a problem with the money we've invested in Iraq or Afghanistan. It was a necessity in my view. And I won't alter that view now because 500 of our own are gone, or 10,000 Iraqis are lost, or because it's the way the wind is blowing as the Presidential election nears. This President, unlike too many here on MOL, does not have, nor did he have, a crystal ball with which to predict the future. He tried his best. I think he's done a good job. War is not pretty. No one ever said it was going to be. But sometimes our country must take steps to protect ourselves in a proactive manner. There was a time, by the way, when you didn't seem to have a problem with it either. Not Dick Cheney, but if you ask Argentine citizens what it was like when their govt defaulted on foreign debt, you'd get a far more realistic answer. We are not Argentina. If you don't know the vast differences between the economic engine that is America and Argentina, then this discussion is pointless. At some point other nations won't feel great about buying US securities -- because of the dramatically increasing deficit or because we're being a lousy world neighbor or a combination of the two -- and it won't be easy to fix. Purchasng US Securities. Now all of a sudden you care about corporations huh? Old Gordon is has grown on you? Anyway Dave, it's been a well known fact that the US Budget Deficit is at an all time high for probably 8 months now. Yet the stock market is rallying. Obviously there must be great confidence that our economic engine is beginning to fire on all cylinders. 8% growth isn't too shabby. Of course that growth has NOT been accompanied by a pickup in the job market - which is very troubling - but it's far too early to give up on our economy or heaven forbid, compare us to Argentina. And it's just plain couterproductive to constantly attack "corporations" for they employ and pay benefits for far too many Americans. Sure there are some problems at the top of corporations and in far too many circumstances, the top guys get a disproportionate amount of the rewards, but on the whole, they don't deserve the bad press they get. By the way, while we're throwing out dire predictions of what's to come, has anyone bothered to check with the speaker at the TC meeting in February who predicted that our invasion of Iraq would result in $4-$6 a gallon gasoline prices? Or how about the out of control interest rates that would kill Maplewood's finances? Interest rates, in case you haven't noticed, have been dropping to the point where the yield on the 10yr T bond is now under 4%. What an odd paradox: here we have supposed loss of confidence in the USA yet our government bonds are being bought up in such numbers that the yield we have to pay is going down. As is woefully obvious here is that we have short-term minds and think that screwing up things royally is ok if we can get a few more bucks this year. Don't ask me Dave, ask Ms. Single Mother if she thinks that that 850 bucks is better off in her pocket to feed her kids now or not. I have a feeling she'll laugh at you. Last time someone got away with this type of mindlessly ignorant planning was Christie Whitman's "tax break" that shifted aid away from municipalities. Apples and oranges, Dave. The Whitman administration changed the tax code to shift the burden from income taxes to property taxes. The Bush tax cut was offset by an increase in the debt in an effort to spur investment, the economy and, in turn tax receipts. If the economy explodes and tax recipts jump, the debt will decrease just like the last two years under Clinton. Sure it's a big if, but the bond market is clearly signaling that it's not too worried. And I'm smart enough to know that they've got a better handle on this than anyone on MOL. Now the Sbenois family may pay $200 less in state income taxes and $4000 more in property taxes. Now Dave, that's a pretty low blow. It really is. The Sbenois family doesn't need to be brought into this. Bravo. Vote Republican indeed. Dave, I think you are seriously mistaking my desire to be objective as a vote for the Republican Party. You know better than that. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03 | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6113 Registered: 4-1998  |
I just ran your post through the SBENOIS UNIVERSAL TRANSLATOR & SUMMARIZER and it kicked back this: Cut revnues to raise revenues! Peace through war! | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10599 Registered: 10-2001 |
Actually you must have an old model. My new translator came back with: Dave is in Democratic Party Rhetoric Mode. . ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03 | ||
| anon Citizen Username: Anon Post Number: 920 Registered: 6-2002 |
"The reason I check into MOL is because I can't believe my old town is now made up of queers and radicals. How did that happen, or is it just the MOL soapbox?" Queers? And this doesn't get him banned? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1776 Registered: 5-2001 |
What, we're immune from the forces of history and they're not?
US Securities usually means US TREASURY securities, which in Dave's original context makes a lot more sense. No, it's going up. But look at a current yield curve, which is pretty darn steep. Investors are expecting rates to rise. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1778 Registered: 5-2001 |
An authoritative projection on the economy, including interest rate trends for bonds: http://www.bondmarkets.com/research/Economic_Outlook_1203.pdf | ||
| Reflective Citizen Username: Reflective Post Number: 241 Registered: 3-2003 |
Shebenois: WOW tres bon! | ||
| sbenois Citizen Username: Sbenois Post Number: 10600 Registered: 10-2001 |
Gee Tom, I wouldn't let too many people read that report. If it's half true Bush will walk into a second term. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- Hey, it also wouldn’t look good coming out of a motel with your wife’s best friend saying you were just planning a surprise birthday party for her husband...- Arturo November '03 | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2715 Registered: 10-1999 |
When I read the following post from Insite: "The reason I check into MOL is because I can't believe my old town is now made up of queers and radicals." All I can say is: I knew it!! This is your "old town"? You don't actually live here now, do you? Anybody who lived here who would actually use the phrase "queers and radicals" to describe the people he disagrees with, would be spotted a mile away. Or he would be George Bush. One of the two. Full disclosure: I'm hetero, still with my first spouse. Which makes it less likely that I am a Republican office holder, may I add. Yes, I know that last statement was unfair to those Republicans who are still happily married to their first spouses. To them, I apologize. |
