| Author | Message | ||
     Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6123 Registered: 4-1998  |
Data, please. EPA-verified would be nice (they're an organization admistered by your president, you know). | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6124 Registered: 4-1998 |
From NASA http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/observe/surftemp/
they're fairly competent scientists, right? | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 916 Registered: 4-2002 |
Here is a link from the EPA for kids that makes it a little easier to understand the problem for those who don't get it. http://www.epa.gov/globalwarming/kids/ And if you don't like the EPA here is a link from another government agency with numerous links verifying the danger is real and that MOST scientists admit that Global Warming is a real threat. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html The issue is not about how intelligent or stupid Al Gore is, but whether the problem really exists and what we can/should do about it. | ||
| Greatest Straw of all time! Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1769 Registered: 10-2001  |
The issue here is AL Gore a leading proponent of the global warming threat. This moron won't get much in the way of what he wants by preaching the effects of warming in January in NYC. Yes, July would have been a smarter call. Instead, of making headway, he made an ass out of himself, which is nothing new for those like myself who enjoy wathcing Al Gore make an ass out of himself. And, while we can all agree there is slight warming, the EPA and NASA both can't tell you what it means. So, should we spend billions of dollars looking to rectify a situation no one really understands?? Not gonna happen, my silly little liberal friends. Remember, if you want to think big, you have to be big. BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6125 Registered: 4-1998 |
In other words, no supporting data. God is on your side, science is for liberals. Got it. | ||
| Greatest Straw of all time! Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1771 Registered: 10-2001 |
No Dave, You have 0 proof that the earth is in danger...0 BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 721 Registered: 8-2003 |
The warmest year on record was 1998, with 2002 being the second warmest. What would that graph look like? | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 267 Registered: 9-2003  |
If Al Gore’s so sure that global warming is destroying the earth, then why didn't the Clinton-Gore administration submit the Kyoto treaty to the Senate for ratification? Yet Gore, along with some posters on MOL, regularly blames the Bush Administration for not ratifying that treaty. Why is that? | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1791 Registered: 5-2001 |
still waiting for straw's data, and please, not from Cato or the like. | ||
| Don Perkins Citizen Username: Cowboy Post Number: 268 Registered: 9-2003 |
There just simply is no scientific evidence that the actions of man have caused any increase in the earth's temperature. The only scientists who back this global warming fraud are either employed by government or work in the leftist, anti-capitalistic atmosphere of colleges and universities. Those Scientists who challenge the religion of global warming become referred as "corporate funded scientists." Since these scientists don't work for either some college or university or the government, they are "corporate-funded" and are therefore somehow evil. Which is exactly the response you would expect from a movement that is more anti-capitalist than it is pro-environment. Private sector is bad. Government is good. Watch while the Enviro-wackos work their spin. It’s no longer “global warming.” They now say "climate change." This is their tacit admission that the evidence isn't there to support their global warming scare campaign. Someone needs to get the other side of the story out. Try reading these if you want some evidence that refutes. http://www.nationalcenter.org/Kyoto.html | ||
| Greatest Straw of all time! Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1772 Registered: 10-2001 |
Like I said 0 proof the earth is in danger. Thanks Don! BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6126 Registered: 4-1998 |
There's no proof of evolution either, but we generally accept it as the best theory. Not addressing climate change dangers is not simply an environmental matter for bird-watchers, but will have long term economic impacts on everything from farming to life in some cities and island nations and lots of other things. And if all you can do is make noises and call people names, my money is still on the scientists, thanks. | ||
| notehead Citizen Username: Notehead Post Number: 880 Registered: 5-2001  |
This is getting too funny. Dave, Tom, you might as well try discussing this issue with monkeys. Anyway, the IPCC has its next major report coming out this year -- it will bring together all the major, serious research on global warming to date and factor in a lot more data than any previous effort. Maybe we can let the issue rest until it is released, at which point we can say "nyah nyah, I told you so" to Don, Straw, & Insite, and they can tell us that the report is bogus or biased or funded by the Eskimo PAC. I mentioned evolution in a related thread... but I'm starting to think that for some of us the changes have been more superficial than for others. And by the way, Al Gore is a brilliant man. | ||
| Greatest Straw of all time! Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1773 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dave, All you've done is discount anyone who believes the earth is not in danger. You do so without any type of proof because there is no proof. The earth has experienced a few warm years. 1998 AND 2002 were warm. Maybe The Sunamis (sp?) had more to do with it than global warming. No matter what you think, the earth's atmosphere has not had an impact on the economy nor will it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the earth is fine and since Clinton was Prez in 98, maybe it's his fault.. BUSH/CHENEY IN 2004.. | ||
| lumpyhead Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 621 Registered: 3-2002 |
It would be interesting to determine what the temperature changes have been since the beginning of recorded time. I don't think we, as humans, have been recording the weather all that long but can we determine what the temps were during the different eras? Does this mean no more Ice Ages? Common sense will tell you that pollutants and emmissions are hurting the environment, heck even cows releasing gas are doing that. I wonder what the gas impact was during the dinosaur age! This issue needs to be put into perspective and not used as a political hot potato with a sky is falling mentality. In the end, my bet is on mother nature anyway. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 725 Registered: 8-2003 |
tom...you ought to listen to the CATO Institute. They opposed the Iraq war, meeting some of your criteria for credibility and 'fun.' | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6128 Registered: 4-1998 |
 The increase in global warming corresponds with the industrial revolution and use of fossil fuel. There are some questions about using tree rings to measure temps, but it seems to trend downward until the mid 19th century. Source: http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm | ||
| Dave Ross Citizen Username: Dave Post Number: 6129 Registered: 4-1998 |
Sea level data  | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1792 Registered: 5-2001 |
why do I think people like Straw and Don got "D"s in science in school? The graphs Dave posted show some data: refute it. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 917 Registered: 4-2002 |
Straw: Bush has stated that Global Warming is a concern. He just does not consider it important enough to do much about it. So are you saying Bush is an idiot too because he thinks it is a concern? This administration has committed money too. The question is not what did Clinton and Gore do about it, the question is what are we (including the current President) going to do to help curb the problem? It would appear your answer is to ignore it and hope it goes away. I don't think you can make Global Warming a partisan issue it has already been acknowledged to be a problem by leaders from both party's. |
