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Cowboy
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Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 311
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:23 am: |     |
In a typical sham interview on “60 Minutes” last night with Ed Bradley, Senator John Kerry was asked how he justified being against the war in Iraq, while at the same time having voted to authorize the use of force. In his answer, he gave the same stupid response he's been giving the whole campaign. Yet, what is the worst part? Bradley didn't call him on it! Why? Could it be bias? Does "60 Minutes" favor John Kerry?
Remember Kerry said that he voted for the use of force in Iraq, but "not the way George Bush did it." So come on Ed Bradley doesn’t that response beg for the follow-up question, So what way should he have done it?
Come on now, should we have waited 12 more years for the UN to handle the problem?
Cut us some slack here, Senator Kerry. Answer the question, stop playing the game of repeating the biggest lie ever told in campaign 2004: that we went it alone in Iraq, we did not build a coalition, and we did not give inspections a chance. This is of course completely false, and Senator Kerry knows it. The Bush administration built a coalition of some 34 countries, and the inspectors were deceived for 12 years. No...what Kerry and the left are really upset about is that we did not get a permission slip from the United Nations at the very moment we went to war. Screw that noise.
Why didn't Ed Bradley ask the question? WWSJKD?
And then there was this dandy: Senator Kerry said he saw a parallel between Iraq and Vietnam. How? Iraq has been a success; the country is free, Saddam Hussein is in prison, Uday and Qusay are dead. We won the war in Iraq. What is he talking about? The casualties? While every one is tragic, the number in Iraq is around 500. In Vietnam, it was almost 50,000. So Senator Kerry, please enlighten us, what is the parallel? And please be specific.
If the Democrats think they are going to ride the Iraq issue to victory in November, they have another thing coming. Iraq is not Vietnam no matter how much the liberal Democrats wish it to be.
Democratic candidates will continue, as always, to be denounce the war efforts, but yet never be placed in the uncomfortable position of providing real answers as to what alternative action they would have taken. Is this fair? One of the key elements to any president's job is to make tough decisions. What would Kerry do? So, let's ask: WWSJKD? |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1830
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:29 am: | |
ya GOTTA love the way bradley went into the whole Vietnam thing, led kerry into saying Vietnam was a place where young people went to die for no reason and than says this: Do you see a parallel between Vietnam & Iraq??
Holy Cow Ed, why not just spoon feed him the answer!
Kerry came off as he always does. Better then any other Democratic candidate because he has common sense and cares about his fellow man. Too bad, he learned his politics from Ted Kennedy though. This in the end will kill him just like it killed Kennedy in 80 & Dukakis in 92...Liberal "Mass hole" democrats can't win the south and they can't get any Moderate-Republican vote.
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2794
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:36 am: | |
See, the problem you boys have is that you watched "60 Minutes" instead of the Golden Globe Awards. You could have had all your questions answered if you watched FOX News in the morning:
quote:KERRY: With respect to this time, I voted to give the authority to the president to use force under a set of promises by the president as to how he would do it: build a legitimate international coalition, exhaust the remedies of the United Nations, and go to war as a last resort. He broke every single one of those promises.
And that's why I'm the best candidate to run against him and beat him, because I knew we had to hold Saddam Hussein accountable but I knew how to do it the right way. President Bush did it the wrong way.
WALLACE: While we're discussing Iraq, David Kay, the chief U.S. weapons inspector, says he's now concluded that Iraq had no stockpiles of biological or chemical weapons before we went to war.
KERRY: Right.
WALLACE: And now Secretary of State Powell says, you know what, Kay may be right.
What do you make of that?
KERRY: It confirms what I have said for a long period of time, that we were misled — misled not only in the intelligence, but misled in the way that the president took us to war.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109430,00.html |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1833
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 9:45 am: | |
WALLACE: Let's talk about national security. In 1995, you were the only sponsor of a bill to cut $1.5 billion from intelligence spending over the next five years.
KERRY: Right.
WALLACE: And in 1997, you said that the intelligence apparatus was too big...
KERRY: Absolutely.
WALLACE: ... there were higher priorities.
KERRY: Right.
WALLACE: And then in 2001, after 9/11, you complained and said, "Why wasn't our intelligence better?"
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2796
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:01 am: | |
quote:WALLACE: And then in 2001, after 9/11, you complained and said, "Why wasn't our intelligence better?"
KERRY: Let me tell you exactly why I did that. I went to Moscow shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union. I got out of an airplane, and I looked around me, and there wasn't a light, barely, that worked in the airport. There wasn't a new truck in the parking lots.
I went to the foreign office, and there were 12 telephones on a desk. And I asked, "This guy must be really important. Why does he have 12 phones?" They said, "Because they don't know how to hook up all the phone lines into one phone."
And this was the country that we supposedly had to fear marching through Poland...
WALLACE: But the intelligence, obviously, could have helped against the...
(CROSSTALK)
KERRY: Intelligence failed us, because — I was on the Intelligence Committee. What we were trying to do, some of us, was push the funding not into technical means — there was a fascination always with satellites and listening devices, not with human intelligence.
I've always been somebody who has felt that we needed human intelligence. That's our failure. That was the failure with respect to 9/11. That remains the greatest gap in our intelligence.
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lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 640
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:04 am: | |
Joe Lieberman is the best of the bunch but he will never get elected. Dean blew himself up and Edwards is cute and likeable but no experience. Kerry will be the front runner but lose by a margin. Kerry's head is a very interesting shape by the way.
Bush wins in 04 and then Rudy runs against Hillary in 08 and he wins. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1851
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:05 am: | |
so what was Kerry's response? Or do you omit it because it is as embarassing to you as the real explanation of why he voted the way he did?
quote:...and the inspectors were deceived for 12 years...
ahem, excuse me, but the inspectors were told there were no WMD, and it turns out there aren't. Who was deceived?
quote:..should we have waited 12 more years for the UN to handle the problem...
again, since there are apparently no WMD, and Iraq wasn't invading it's neighbors, looks like the problem was mostly being handled after all.
But don't let reality intrude. You and Ainsworth ought to get together for coffee sometime, you have a lot more in common than you think. |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1834
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:18 am: | |
David kay has blamed the intelligence community for letting down President Clinton & Bush. He says Hussein's scientists may have misled him, and he really believed he had weapons.
Now based on this, I have a couple of questions for Tom and Nohero.
1) Why did Hussein destroy his weapons after the Gulf war?
2) Why did he destroy the weapons and then kick out U.N. inspectors.
3)Why did he destroy the weapons in secrecy?
4) Why did he interfere with U.N. inspectors when they returned?
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2798
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:24 am: | |
Who the heck knows? Are you previewing the Administration's attack? That's just great, it's all the fault of people who thought that this country should use force as a last resort, not a first resort. Sheesh!
I have one for you. Ask your high-ranking friends why this country was taken down the road that involved such a frightful cost in lives, property and money, for no good reason. See if they have a good answer for that one. |
Dave Ross
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6199
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:24 am: | |
1) He was ordered to do so
2) He needed to show strength albeit feigned in order to maintain power internally and with regard to his hostile neighbors (Iran, etc.)
3) See 2
4) See 2 |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1837
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:27 am: | |
oh, I see. Nohero can't answer and Dave says Hussein was a victim. I see.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 778
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:32 am: | |
Reading the NY Times today showed -- if true -- the madness that existed around Saddam's WMD programs. Basic, rudimentary activities going on with ricin and nukes, but it seems like anyone with access and a 'scientist' badge could get money and the OK to pursue a fake WMD program and take off with the money. They were just telling Saddam what he wanted to hear. So, Saddam stymies and runs around the inspectors to hide programs that in reality don't exist but he thinks they do.
And Tariq Azziz says while this is swirling around, Saddam wants him to check out some pages in his latest novel?!??
Then, each division of the Republican guard says they don't have chemical weapons, but they're sure the other division has them.
Amazing. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4443
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 10:33 am: | |
I would really like to see the roll call on the Inteligence Bill vote in 1997 that Wallace made such a big deal about.
Straw,as respect Hussein's actions I have wondered the same thing. My guess is a combination of being a few bricks short of a full load and national pride about having a bunch of foreigners wandering around looking into stuff.
I also think some research on WMD was going on, but probably was a long way from any operational use. |
Cowboy
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 313
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:25 am: | |
Nohero says to have watched the Golden Globe Awards. I did catch part and it was nice to see the film “Osama,” what a surprise, won the award for Best Foreign Language Film. I wonder what that’s all about.
Says Kerry, “because I knew we had to hold Saddam Hussein accountable but I knew how to do it the right way. President Bush did it the wrong way.” OK so stop keeping us all in suspense, what precisely would you have done as POTUS to see to it that Saddam was held accountable? Be specific, what exactly did Bush do that was so wrong? Come on Senator Kerry, and any interviewer of any substance without an agenda, ask him. What is the right way? Since you know, why not tell us all? Better start rehearsing your answer, or will you simply continue to spin when facing the question?
Blaming Strawberry are you tom? For what? Not posting Kerry’s non-answer? Read Nohero’s subsequent post and see if you can find the answer in that somewhere. Kerry’s response is just another sidestep or spin.
And tom, your question “ahem, excuse me, but the inspectors were told there were no WMD, and it turns out there aren't. Who was deceived?” Gee tom, I think Gore and both Clintons and Bush and Colin Powell and General Clark and practically everyone you care to name was deceived. The list goes on and on.
Stop playing Monday Morning Quarterback. A tough decision had to be made to take action. The United Nations wasn’t taking any action.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1855
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:44 am: | |
Sounds like Kerry is saying that the intelligence agencies were bloated and inefficient, and could do more with less if they were smarter. Every Republican in town says the same thing about the local schools. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 780
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 12:13 pm: | |
Kerry was talking about hiring more human intelligence, but how do you do that by cutting intelligence funding (I'm sure he has a great answer). This goes back to The Torch railing about hiring undesireables for intelligence.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't we as a nation taken by surprise when Pakistan and India started launching nuclear tests at each other? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1857
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 12:28 pm: | |
This is obviously just another slash-and-trash GOP effort at whomever is leading the Dem pack at the moment. The same thing happened when Clark announced, when Dean was leading, and it'll happen again if Edwards becomes the front runner.
Does anyone really believe that Strawberry and Cowboy have any interest in what Kerry really thinks?
It only looks like an inquisitive dialog, but answers to questions phrased with "I'm sure he has a great answer" are not posed with the aim of getting an answer that will somehow enlighten or change anyone's mind. Rather they are written just to smear candidate "x" with sound bites out-of-context and oversimplification.
Boring.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2799
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 1:21 pm: | |
Cowboy wrote above:
quote:I did catch part and it was nice to see the film "Osama," what a surprise, won the award for Best Foreign Language Film. I wonder what that’s all about.
Not sure if he was implying that some sort of pro-terrorism film won the award, or what that remark was supposed to mean. But, if you check Yahoo Movies, you can actually find out what the movie is about:
quote:Set in Afghanistan, just as the Taliban began to take over, as women found themselves forbidden from coming out onto the streets unless accompanied by a man or a boy. The story focuses on a mother and a grandmother who have no living husbands or sons, so they disguise a daughter (Golbahari) as a boy named Osama so that she can escort her mother as she leaves the house, looking for work.
See, isn't it better to get the whole story about something? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4446
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 1:26 pm: | |
I think this is especially insane since the bill in question passed the Senate 98 to 1 with one astention. The nay vote was Tom Hawkin.
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Cowboy
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 315
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 1:28 pm: | |
It's kind of like the flavor of the month club tom. I am very much interested in whatever Kerry, (now the current front runner among the plethora of Democratic candidates still running), thinks. This is especially true regarding the seriousness of his rhetoric concerning Iraq.
American voters all have the right to decide upon who we think will make the best president. If John Kerry, or any other person chooses to announce that he would have done things differently, I only ask that he detail what steps he would have undertaken. If that is of no interest to you, I'm sorry, but not at all surprised. You have always seemed willing to favor any flaor as long as its not Bush.
Evidence that Iraq had WMD was convincing enough to have gained support from members of both sides of the aisle. Don't forget Kerry voted in favor. So, Kerry's latest statement, “because I knew we had to hold Saddam Hussein accountable but I knew how to do it the right way. President Bush did it the wrong way.” Cries out for legitimacy. Logically it should be expected that Senator Kerry should willingly provide evidence as to what actions he would have taken. Yet, he still hasn't and Ed Bradley let him off too easy.
As an American, I will not vote for anyone who believes that the Unitied Nations has the ability to dictate American foreign policy. I tend to believe that there are many other voters who might agree. If Kerry wants the job, let him answer the question. WWSJKD? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1858
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 1:49 pm: | |
B.S. You will not vote for anyone who is not running as a Republican. |
Cowboy
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 317
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:08 pm: | |
By standards, is that what B.S. standands for? If not please exlain, so that the monitor of your choice can note.
By standards I will cast my vote for the person, man or woman, whom I see best fit to fill the role of POTUS.
I have never voted for any president solely based upon political party.
And my favorite flavor is STRAWBERRY. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2672
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:21 pm: | |
tom,
BS to you too. Cowboy isn't even a republican. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 643
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:24 pm: | |
Tom- You wouldn't vote for anyone but a Democrat. Or maybe a Green Party candidate or Be About Peace... |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2674
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:28 pm: | |
That's very inflexible and non-diverse. |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1839
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:41 pm: | |
Nohero,
In an attempt to once again bash Bush, you've actually made a fool out of yourself.
That picture of Bush wearing flight gear is the same gear he wore when he himself was flying fighters in the National Guard. Yes, Nohero, as opposed to you, President Bush is a trained pilot.
(and so is Rumsfeld)
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2800
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:44 pm: | |
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United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1840
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:47 pm: | |
Let me ask you something. Did you have to "close your office door" while making last post?
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2801
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 2:57 pm: | |
No, it was easy. I have a shortcut key for that picture. |
Bananafish
Citizen
Username: Bananafish
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 3:08 pm: | |
LOL @ Village People Bush
Strawberry, where do you work? |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1841
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 3:24 pm: | |
You again?
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4448
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 3:50 pm: | |
Straw, do you really want to bring up GW's National Guard service again? If he wants to play dress up in the Oval Office, fine. However, he ain't passable in public. 
I am now almost sure that Straw is an undercover DNC operative. |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1843
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 3:54 pm: | |
Bobk,
It is urban myth that he failed to complete his duty in the guard. The myth is nothing more then liberal internet story telling. He served as was required. period.
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Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 740
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 4:11 pm: | |
Straw,
I haven't reviewed this ENTIRE site, but there appears to be some good reading here: http://www.awolbush.com/ |
United STRAWBERRY of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1844
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 4:23 pm: | |
It's inaccurate. He was released from daily committment to serve on an election campaign which I once posted in detail on the site. He was not AWOL, he was on certified leave. If you want to believe the President of the United States has a criminal military record be my guest. However, it's total b.s. and once again only serves the purpose of bashing a President liberals don't like. Instead of being honest, they drum up nonsense like this.
It's liberal propaganda...
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
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Cowboy
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 320
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 4:50 pm: | |
Straw, come on you expect us to believe that Mayhewdrive would ever post something concerning President Bush that was untrue? Why just look at MHD's choice of photo, he is solely interested in issues concerning the environment. Well that is a recycling button, isn't it? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1859
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 5:05 pm: | |
still boring |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2805
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 5:16 pm: | |
Okay, kids, it's "red meat" time:
May, 2000 article on "gap" in the President's National Guard duty:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000619121358/www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2 000/news/One_year_gap_in_Bush_s_Guard_duty+.shtml
Article on the President's service record, written by someone with a lot of time on his hands, apparently:
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671
Those are the types of information which are out there. There's enough that it can't be dismissed out of hand as "urban myth" or "liberal story-telling".
The word "deserter" is probably too harsh, to apply to what's claimed in these articles. Of course, for 8-plus years Bill Clinton was always referred to as a "draft dodger" - just for having a deferment at one point, although he later was back in the draft lottery. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1862
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 5:50 pm: | |
if he was on certified leave (straw) where's the certification?
By the way, a Google search for '"certified leave" Bush "National Guard"' returns just one result, a newsletter where the three query terms show up in separate articles.
Red meat is so much more interesting, thanks Nohero! |
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