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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:40 pm: |     |
where can we read them? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4658
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:48 pm: | |
Why doesn't the President just release the records? Apparently the Air Guard records section in Colorado has sent everything to the White House. This drip torture method doesn't help the President. He releases a censored copy and when questioned then releases, or appears to release, the uncensored document.
Why do I get the impression that the White HOuse is falling apart on this issue. No wonder his credibility is going to Hell in a hand basket |
Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 68
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:52 pm: | |
What the hawks haven't yet figured out (or don't want to admit) is that isn't about military service. It's about credibility. Kerry 's situation is well known, while Bush's is a little vague. As soon as Bush clarifies his whereabouts in the 1972-73 timeframe it won't be an issue any more. Will it?
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ashear
Citizen
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 974
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:56 pm: | |
There is some good stuff on this at www.talkingpointsmemo.com
In particular check out the press conference where Scott McClellan (press secty) spends an astonishing amount of time not answering the question of whether Bush had to take time off from the guard to do commnity service as a result of some crminal conviction. I assume if he could have just said no he would have.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_02_08.html#002555 |
guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 43
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:00 pm: | |
ABC NEWS POLL:
On another front, questions about Bush's National Guard duty during the Vietnam War lack traction: Americans by more than 2-to-1 -- 66 percent to 30 percent -- say it's not a legitimate issue in the election campaign by ABC polling chief Gary Langer.
Maybe ABC should listen to its own polls. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2281
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:04 pm: | |
But it IS a good source of entertainment to see yet another politician subject themselves to the Chinese water torture of telling the whole truth incrementally.
Now with regard to the ABC poll, the important question is what percentage of the voters as yet undecided think this issue speaks to Dubya's credibility. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2135
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:27 pm: | |
Here is a comment on why this should be an issue in the election. The formidable Hendrick Hertzberg wrote it.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4661
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:51 pm: | |
Looks like the Bushies listened to me. The Presidents Guard records are going to released momentarily, just in time for the six o'clock news.
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Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 457
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:07 pm: | |
Quite formidable words, thanks Tom.
By the way, did you get bitten by a Panda ?. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2136
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:36 pm: | |
It was a Halloween costume.
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 460
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:42 pm: | |
I was concerned.
Maybe you should give "the prissy-pants" monicker a rest and call yourself, Tom Reingold alias Ling-Ling. |
Mayhewdrive
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 796
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:08 pm: | |
"I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well placed...managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units."
-Colin Powell, in his autobiography, "My American Journey."
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Diversity Man
Citizen
Username: Deadwhitemale
Post Number: 633
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:21 pm: | |
Don't forget boys, we are at war with a merciless adversary, which has such contempt and hatred for our ways that it sees all of us as worth snuffing out, now.
Sorry to interrupt the fun.
Now, who is closer to recognizing this truth, and dealing with it?
Kerry, who last ran with Jane Fonda, or the berated one, who stood in the pit in Sept. 2001, and was transformed from apparent dolt into most effective leader/Pres. persisting and pushing for the quick defeat of Taliban and when the U.N., emboldened by reading MOL, provided Saddamite Hussein with a lifetime of See No Evil brand vaseline, removed the Iraqi emperor.
The Islamofacists still want us dead.
Get it, dead.
Say, speaking of Vietnam, it was JFK who authorized the "removal" of S.V. Premier Ngo Dinh Diem in October 1963. Does anyone remember?
The rest is history.
One JFK, one Vietnam war, the second JFK, who knows?
DWM |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 971
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:22 am: | |
Jane Fonda was Kerry's running mate? In which election? |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2140
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 7:44 am: | |
DWM, are you a fan of Michael Savage's (on the radio)?
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
There is nothing
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tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2286
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 8:59 am: | |
Diversity,
I loved your last post. Your writing style and use of line breaks is sort of poetic.
I am also interested to see the Republicans are now campaigning against John F. Kennedy as well as William J. Clinton. That leaves Kerry free to campaign for our future. |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 976
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 6:34 pm: | |
I thought the Republicans were running against Jane Fonda. Maybe Kerry should campaign against Herbert Hoover. That worked for the Democrats for over 50 years. |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 422
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:45 pm: | |
"transformed from apparent dolt" by slight of mind, I presume |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4664
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 5:14 am: | |
The thing that is going to keep the fourth estate digging on this subject is GWB's handlers reluctance in releasing the record. As released on Friday evening, there is nothing particularly embarrasnig in it. It shows pretty much a typical Vietnam era guard record. Was Bush committed? Probably not. But, eventually he met the requirements to get an honorable discharge.
If he had released these records back in 2000 instead of insisiting they were "lost" there wouldn't be any news about this now.
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Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2448
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 5:02 pm: | |
Being in the National Guard in the sixties did not automatically exempt you from service in Vietnam. I witnessed a number of National Guard units ship off to South East Asia during my college years on Long Island. I'm sure the same was true elsewhere in the country during the Vietnam War years. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 2063
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 7:23 pm: | |
http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/read.asp?fn=df02182004.html. Note the footnotes at the bottom, to an editorial in Army Times, and an article in a VFW newsletter. |
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