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ML1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1561
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:39 pm: |     |
quote:NOW has been emasculated over that ever since
now that's funny. |
Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 67
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:41 pm: | |
"Morals have never mattered to liberals"
Never, Cjc? NEVER!?!?!?
Give us a big fat break. |
Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 70
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:52 pm: | |
Now, I'm no Bush fan and I think Laura Bush and a less-than-fantastic role model, but I'm not going to decide not to vote for someone because I don't his wife. Also, I was not aware that Republicans had the monopoly on morals. Which of the following should have given that away: their commitment to appeasing big business, refusal to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, sending away young men and women to a war about which the administration decieved the American people or their commitment to electing presidents by nepotism and the Supreme Court? Their talk about "morals" is a ploy to keep the status quo -- to keep themselves wealthy and powerful. |
fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 81
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:06 pm: | |
I believe her name is Alex Polier. Her parents, Donna and Terry, reside in Malvern, Pennsylvania.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 917
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:17 pm: | |
Fruitcake -- you got me. I succumbed to emotional wordplay of 'never' and 'always' which disqualifies me from serious consideration. Now that I'm calmed down, liberals did have morals at one point. THere's many a time and oft that they've cast aside officials of disrepute despite what it might mean to their party.
I just can't think of one right now. Help me out?
And in a related vein -- tjohn -- NOW standing by Clinton made them different from the common streetwalker only in the price they received for services rendered. And it's not surprising that they've lost their natinoal prominence (which they never deserved given the size of their membership) since that episode. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2278
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:24 pm: | |
I'll let the women who post on this board speak to the prominence and importance of NOW.
As the father of two daughters, I appreciate the work down by NOW to break down barriers for woman. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 918
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:27 pm: | |
Very telling.... |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2279
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:32 pm: | |
What's "very telling". That I'll defer to women regarding an organization which is of much more direct interest to women than men? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 919
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:42 pm: | |
Yup.
Women comment on things they have no earthly idea about that relate specifically to men. Come on -- equality is supposedly their war cry. Men and Women are equal. Let 'er rip, tjohn!
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Michaela May
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 73
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:51 pm: | |
I would argue that men inherently can't understand some women's issues. And vice-verse, I am sure. This is not to say they should not have opinions, but rather that it is highly problematic to have mostly male lawmakers (nevermind rich, white ones) making decisions about the issue. Reproductive rights -- sexual education, access to contraception, marriage by choice rather than force, acess to safe and legal abortions -- directly effect women's lives in ways that they don't impact men. Becoming pregnant can change a woman's life in ways it does not necessarily change a man's. Why do you think women are more often pro-choice than men? For women, the issue is a very personal one. |
gozerbrown
Citizen
Username: Gozerbrown
Post Number: 347
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:20 pm: | |
I think the story about Laura Bush's car accident is interesting. And more so that Ted Kennedy is still in office after killing a woman in a car, while drunk, and swimming to shore to save his own rump. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 921
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:20 pm: | |
The abortion debate isn't the slam-dunk for the pro-choice crowd as it's portrayed. Especially lately.
http://www.sba-list.org/index.cfm/section/whatsnew/page/polls08072003.html |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 454
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:36 pm: | |
I agree about Teddy Kennedy, he should be in jail.Fortunately he is not running for President (that was the price he paid for his crime, not fair but it is what it is), DUMBYA is. Whoever runs is gotta be up for a nasty fight.
The truth is most mortals could not stand up to the scrutiny and invasion of their private lives. DUMBYA and the GOP keep pushing the angle that he/they are the "Moral Choice", as they say in New Awlins, "That Dog Don't Hunt", is all I'm sayin. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4660
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:40 pm: | |
This appears to be the most detail anyone has published on the "Intern". It doesn't look like this has legs as they say in the news bus.
2-2004071162%2C00.html,http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004071162,00.html
Yeah I know this is a Brit tabloid. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2280
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:42 pm: | |
That's true Uke. And if Dubya hadn't dressed up as G.I.Joe, his goldbrickin' in the Guard wouldn't be half the source of entertainment that it now is. |
gozerbrown
Citizen
Username: Gozerbrown
Post Number: 351
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 3:00 pm: | |
Teddy's not running for president now, but he did about 20 years ago. |
Montagnard
Citizen
Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 419
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 4:35 pm: | |
Why are you so hostile to women, cjc? |
thecleaner
Citizen
Username: Thecleaner
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:19 pm: | |
LEFT: The Vice President and a Justice of the Supreme Court went hunting together while the court heard arguments form a friend of the Vice President.
RIGHT: John Kerry is having an affair.
LEFT: Thousands of jobs shift overseas, millions of jobs lost at home.
RIGHT: John Kerry is having an affair.
LEFT: Haliberton overcharged the government when providing assistance in Iraq.
RIGHT: John Kerry is having an affair.
LEFT: Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
RIGHT: John Kerry is having an affair.
LEFT: What happened to our surplus and how do YOU explain the deficit?
RIGHT: John Kerry is having an affair.
This coming election is not about Laura Bush and what she did decades ago. It is also not about John Kerry and his sex life. Let's move on and study the issues. |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 973
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:41 pm: | |
We confuse " morality" with sexual puritanism.
Greed is a sin, but sometimes it seems that "The Right" has made it into a virtue. Racial segregation was immoral and it was the liberals who fought to end it. The War in Vietnam was immoral, and when John Kerry realized that he turned against it.
When I was growing up homosexuality was considered immoral. Now it is homophobia that is immoral. |
fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 82
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 6:23 pm: | |
But isn't Senator Kerry on both sides of every issue?
Do you think the Clintons played any role in the recent report that came of the Clark camp regarding allegations of impropriety by Senator John Kerry?
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Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 232
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:04 pm: | |
Who from the right broke the affair story?
I thought it was Clark?
Is the GOP Mole?
I heard Dick Morris on the radio he thinks that the Clinton's are involved.
Funny thing, about a week before this issue came up the Clinton's, Bill and Hillary, were in DC for a DNC planning session on how to win the White House and Congress...wonder if this is part of their stratey to get Hillary in the mix this year. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2874
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:22 pm: | |
Dick Morris thinks the Clintons are behind everything, for gosh sakes ...
If he said otherwise, it would probably be a violation of his contract with Faux News. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 924
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 10:48 am: | |
Monty - get a grip. |
drewdix
Citizen
Username: Drewdix
Post Number: 485
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 4:22 pm: | |
cjc-
I'm just curious about what you think women comment on that they have no earthly idea about. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 944
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:54 am: | |
I was going off of tjohn's point that he - as a man - defers to women on aspects regarding abortion. I don't agree with the premise, but thought that since equality was supposed to be the defining characteristic of the feminist movement, that they would allow men to comment on abortion even though we aren't qualified due to our sex as tjohn implies. I was going with the flow, as it were.
There are some women who have no earthly ideas about why men do or don't do some things, but I'd never proscribe them or the entire population of females from weighing in on such subjects. And where would MOL be if we did that? |
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