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sbenois
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Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am.


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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, forchrissakes... I am, too.

I wonder if it will be as good as "The Last Temptation of Christ" -- which is an awesome movie.
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely.
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harpo
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nope.
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

nope
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most Definitely!
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was under the impression that "The Last Temptation of Christ" was a unremarkable movie made significant only by the controversy it caused. Of course, the critics have been known to pan movies that have done well.
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Remember, sbenois asked the BIG question so I think he was looking for more then a yay or nay (hope I'm not being too presumptuous sbenois) answer. I probably will because of all the controversy. Some early reviews panned it on it's artistic merits but I will probably see it to form my own opinion on all the controversy. I just hope all the hoopla is not just a con to sell tickets but I think not with Gibsons background and his fathers beliefs. If someone takes the bait, this can get hot.

Just for the record, I would like to quote Lenny Bruce on the subject of the death of the big JC. "It was me,my Uncle Benny and his friend Saul who did it, I own up".
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harpo
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just for the record, I want to say my father worked for Lenny Bruce, which is where I get my sense of humor
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gibson is a shallow marketeer.

From the Passion site:

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"Passion Prayer Walk: Carefully choose a neighborhood you believe God wants you to reach. With multiple prayer teams, walk every street and pray for every house, asking that God would reach each person with the message of the cross through exposure to The Passion of The Christ. Leave a DoorHanger and/or evangelistic booklet at each home encouraging them to see the movie and inviting them to attend a Passion-related event at your church."


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NCJanow(akaLibraryLady)
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I wouldn't lower myself to help line Gibson's pockets with any of my hard earned money. No way!!!

However in the spirit of free speech, yada yada yada, I certainly wouldn't call for a universal boycott. Let each individual decide to boycott it on their own.
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harpo
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe I should add my reasons for not going are not political or by way of a boycott. I laughed all the way through Braveheart and I bet I'd get crucified if that happened again!
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the heads up on the website Dave. I may reconsider going now. Can tele-evangelism be far behind in Gibson's future ?.
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think I'm with Library Lady on this one.
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope it's as good as the Life of Brian.


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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just for the record Harpo, if your father worked for Lenny Bruce, I'd say you inherited your sense of humor from your mother.


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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes.


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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have friends of all political persuasions. Do you think they do too?
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harpo
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

and you'd be wrong as usual, sb. She's a Dr. Seuss fan.
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harpo
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Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

lumpy,

don't wonder. ask. I do.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll definately be seeing it.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes.



Thats a mighty stretch there Sbenois. without any real merit, at least on this particular thread. One could almost accuse you of GASP Trolling with that post.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's pretty hard to judge a film before viewing it.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not going to see it. I read the book. I know how it ends.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

who's doing the soundtrack? the best thing about "Last Temptation of Christ" was the Peter Gabriel soundtrack.

And ML1...many believe that is only the end of part 1 and the sequel will happen any day now.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes.




It's somewhat revealing that you started this topic in the Politics section.
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yes

DAVE-

..a group called "The Outreach"- protestant evangelicals - are behind that quote you posted........

....not the catholic church or gibson(or agents of), as is implied by your out of context quote......

gibson is getting nailed because he is a devout catholic........

the bias of the moderator(DAVE), as demonstrated by his distorted/misleading/manipulated quote from Salon.com, is quite evident....
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Dave
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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The quote was from
http://www.thepassionoutreach.com/ideas.asp

This is what I just found at the bottom of the page:
"The Passion of the Christ" © 2003 by Icon Distribution Inc.™ All rights reserved. Icon Distribution Inc.™ is not affiliated with Outreach Inc. and the promotion of these church resource materials does not express or imply their endorsement of this website, its products, or its content.

So they aren't affiliated. My mistake. The site does look a lot like the movie's web site.
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Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mel Gibson is not getting "nailed" (thank you for the allusion, Redsox) because he is a Catholic, devout or otherwise. From the beginning, some of the most thoughtful criticism about the film has come from Catholic scholars. There have been, and will be, a lot of things written about what is in the film. Many of the commenters may miss the fact that Gibson's film is not a "word for word" dramatization of the Gospel accounts. He added things from other sources, and from his own particular approach to making movies. As written by someone (a Catholic, by the way) who has seen the film:

quote:

Gibson is not merely telling the Gospel account, but adds to it in ways that consistently accent the culpability of Jews and mitigate that of the Romans. He adds violent beatings of Jesus--by Jews--that are not in Scripture. He changes the entire feel of the story as the Gospels tell it. In the Scriptural account, Jesus is snatched quietly, at night, to avoid the crowds. Jesus is willing to go quietly, and keeps the disciples from fighting back. He is held while the high priest gathers his council. During it, there is some physical abuse by the guards and some taunting and one slapping of his face, but the Evangelists don't elaborate on this or draw it out. Then he is delivered to Pilate. Gibson changes the tenor of all these scenes, making them more dramatic, more violent, more frightening. He also adds scenes that contradict explicit statements in Scripture. According to John, the Jews refuse to enter the Praetorium. No Jew--not even a disciple--is depicted as present in the Praetorium. But Gibson has them there.

In Mel's version, the beating of Jesus begins immediately upon his arrest, contrary to the Gospels. He is wrapped in chains, and at one point thrown off a bridge. These added beatings, by Jews, and the behavior of the Jews in subsequent scenes, make them a bloodthirsty, barbarous people--the only exceptions being those who believe in Jesus or are sympathetic to his cause. Jews are depicted in customary stereotypes, as greedy and money-grubbing, who can be easily bought off in the middle of the night. The Jewish leaders are seen as the equals of or more powerful than the Romans, which is contrary to history. The Jewish high priest at the time was a Roman appointee, answerable to Pilate--not in Mel's version, though.
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It is an awful depiction, and recalls the worst of medieval passion plays. Yet most of the Christians in the usually select audiences that have seen it so far are oblivious to these things. Even a handful of politically conservative Jewish commentators claim to have seen nothing problematic. But those Jews who have seen it who are not predisposed to be generous to Mel have been shocked by the portrayal. A special screening in Houston included local Jewish community members and representatives of the national offices of the ADL and American Jewish Committee. All had similar reactions. They sat like strangers in the auditorium, unable to understand the emotional reactions of the Christians around them, and unable to understand, when they spoke with those Christians later, how they could have missed the parts of the film that so troubled the Jews.


Further reading: http://wquercus.com/passion.htm
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Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess the Jews won't be as villified thanks to the focus group. After seeing the film, they felt hand picking the Jews as being responsible for his death wasn't right, so that scene was altered...hmmmmm.

For the record, I won't being seeing The Passion because I haven't been thrilled with Mel Gibson's work since Mad Max.
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Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Funny line in the Diane Sawyer interview with Mel...he said he was going to go where NOBODY will find him. Where is that?

"I'm going to pitch a tent next to the weapons of mass destruction"

Maybe Mel's not such a right winger after all....

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