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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10735 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:54 pm: |    |
I am. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- The Cafe Sbenois is pleased to announce that a fresh batch of Yumsters just arrived thanks to the pinpoint accuracy of the Sbenois Deer Howitzer. Stop in today and ask for one with cheese.
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notehead
Citizen Username: Notehead
Post Number: 927 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:34 pm: |    |
Oh, forchrissakes... I am, too. I wonder if it will be as good as "The Last Temptation of Christ" -- which is an awesome movie. |
   
gozerbrown
Citizen Username: Gozerbrown
Post Number: 348 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:21 pm: |    |
Definitely. |
   
harpo
Citizen Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1243 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:35 pm: |    |
nope. |
   
Dave
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 6389 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:20 pm: |    |
nope |
   
Cowboy
Citizen Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 364 Registered: 9-2003

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:51 pm: |    |
Most Definitely! |
   
tjohn
Citizen Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 2282 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 4:57 pm: |    |
I was under the impression that "The Last Temptation of Christ" was a unremarkable movie made significant only by the controversy it caused. Of course, the critics have been known to pan movies that have done well. |
   
Ukealalio
Citizen Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 456 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:07 pm: |    |
Remember, sbenois asked the BIG question so I think he was looking for more then a yay or nay (hope I'm not being too presumptuous sbenois) answer. I probably will because of all the controversy. Some early reviews panned it on it's artistic merits but I will probably see it to form my own opinion on all the controversy. I just hope all the hoopla is not just a con to sell tickets but I think not with Gibsons background and his fathers beliefs. If someone takes the bait, this can get hot. Just for the record, I would like to quote Lenny Bruce on the subject of the death of the big JC. "It was me,my Uncle Benny and his friend Saul who did it, I own up". |
   
harpo
Citizen Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1246 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:41 pm: |    |
just for the record, I want to say my father worked for Lenny Bruce, which is where I get my sense of humor |
   
Dave
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 6391 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:57 pm: |    |
Gibson is a shallow marketeer. From the Passion site:
quote:"Passion Prayer Walk: Carefully choose a neighborhood you believe God wants you to reach. With multiple prayer teams, walk every street and pray for every house, asking that God would reach each person with the message of the cross through exposure to The Passion of The Christ. Leave a DoorHanger and/or evangelistic booklet at each home encouraging them to see the movie and inviting them to attend a Passion-related event at your church."
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NCJanow(akaLibraryLady)
Citizen Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 1215 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:05 pm: |    |
I wouldn't lower myself to help line Gibson's pockets with any of my hard earned money. No way!!! However in the spirit of free speech, yada yada yada, I certainly wouldn't call for a universal boycott. Let each individual decide to boycott it on their own. NCJ aka LibraryLady On a coffee break..or something like it. |
   
harpo
Citizen Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1249 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:19 pm: |    |
maybe I should add my reasons for not going are not political or by way of a boycott. I laughed all the way through Braveheart and I bet I'd get crucified if that happened again! |
   
Ukealalio
Citizen Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 459 Registered: 6-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:33 pm: |    |
Thanks for the heads up on the website Dave. I may reconsider going now. Can tele-evangelism be far behind in Gibson's future ?. |
   
anon
Citizen Username: Anon
Post Number: 970 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:40 pm: |    |
I think I'm with Library Lady on this one. |
   
sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10737 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:05 pm: |    |
I hope it's as good as the Life of Brian. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- The Cafe Sbenois is pleased to announce that a fresh batch of Yumsters just arrived thanks to the pinpoint accuracy of the Sbenois Deer Howitzer. Stop in today and ask for one with cheese.
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10738 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:13 pm: |    |
Just for the record Harpo, if your father worked for Lenny Bruce, I'd say you inherited your sense of humor from your mother. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- The Cafe Sbenois is pleased to announce that a fresh batch of Yumsters just arrived thanks to the pinpoint accuracy of the Sbenois Deer Howitzer. Stop in today and ask for one with cheese.
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sbenois
Citizen Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10739 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:15 pm: |    |
I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes. ---> Brought to you by Sbenois Engineering LLC <- The Cafe Sbenois is pleased to announce that a fresh batch of Yumsters just arrived thanks to the pinpoint accuracy of the Sbenois Deer Howitzer. Stop in today and ask for one with cheese.
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lumpynose
Citizen Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 701 Registered: 3-2002

| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:22 pm: |    |
I have friends of all political persuasions. Do you think they do too? |
   
harpo
Citizen Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1250 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:36 pm: |    |
and you'd be wrong as usual, sb. She's a Dr. Seuss fan. |
   
harpo
Citizen Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1251 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:37 pm: |    |
lumpy, don't wonder. ask. I do. |
   
thegoodsgt
Citizen Username: Thegoodsgt
Post Number: 381 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:54 am: |    |
I'll definately be seeing it. |
   
Duncan
Citizen Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1528 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:09 am: |    |
quote:I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes.
Thats a mighty stretch there Sbenois. without any real merit, at least on this particular thread. One could almost accuse you of GASP Trolling with that post. Alls Well That Ends Well. Playing through March 7. info at http://www.hometown.aol.com/theatr1010/ |
   
lumpynose
Citizen Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 703 Registered: 3-2002

| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:32 am: |    |
It's pretty hard to judge a film before viewing it. |
   
ML1
Citizen Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1564 Registered: 5-2002

| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:44 am: |    |
not going to see it. I read the book. I know how it ends. |
   
Hank Zona
Citizen Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 964 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:48 pm: |    |
who's doing the soundtrack? the best thing about "Last Temptation of Christ" was the Peter Gabriel soundtrack. And ML1...many believe that is only the end of part 1 and the sequel will happen any day now.  |
   
Addy
Citizen Username: Addy
Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 6:04 pm: |    |
quote:I smell avoidance of the film due to Gibson's well known support of Conservative/Republican causes.
It's somewhat revealing that you started this topic in the Politics section. |
   
Redsox
Citizen Username: Redsox
Post Number: 414 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:28 pm: |    |
yes DAVE- ..a group called "The Outreach"- protestant evangelicals - are behind that quote you posted........ ....not the catholic church or gibson(or agents of), as is implied by your out of context quote...... gibson is getting nailed because he is a devout catholic........ the bias of the moderator(DAVE), as demonstrated by his distorted/misleading/manipulated quote from Salon.com, is quite evident.... |
   
Dave
Citizen Username: Dave
Post Number: 6394 Registered: 4-1998

| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:40 am: |    |
The quote was from http://www.thepassionoutreach.com/ideas.asp This is what I just found at the bottom of the page: "The Passion of the Christ" © 2003 by Icon Distribution Inc.™ All rights reserved. Icon Distribution Inc.™ is not affiliated with Outreach Inc. and the promotion of these church resource materials does not express or imply their endorsement of this website, its products, or its content. So they aren't affiliated. My mistake. The site does look a lot like the movie's web site. |
   
Nohero
Citizen Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2875 Registered: 10-1999

| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:37 pm: |    |
Mel Gibson is not getting "nailed" (thank you for the allusion, Redsox) because he is a Catholic, devout or otherwise. From the beginning, some of the most thoughtful criticism about the film has come from Catholic scholars. There have been, and will be, a lot of things written about what is in the film. Many of the commenters may miss the fact that Gibson's film is not a "word for word" dramatization of the Gospel accounts. He added things from other sources, and from his own particular approach to making movies. As written by someone (a Catholic, by the way) who has seen the film: quote:Gibson is not merely telling the Gospel account, but adds to it in ways that consistently accent the culpability of Jews and mitigate that of the Romans. He adds violent beatings of Jesus--by Jews--that are not in Scripture. He changes the entire feel of the story as the Gospels tell it. In the Scriptural account, Jesus is snatched quietly, at night, to avoid the crowds. Jesus is willing to go quietly, and keeps the disciples from fighting back. He is held while the high priest gathers his council. During it, there is some physical abuse by the guards and some taunting and one slapping of his face, but the Evangelists don't elaborate on this or draw it out. Then he is delivered to Pilate. Gibson changes the tenor of all these scenes, making them more dramatic, more violent, more frightening. He also adds scenes that contradict explicit statements in Scripture. According to John, the Jews refuse to enter the Praetorium. No Jew--not even a disciple--is depicted as present in the Praetorium. But Gibson has them there. In Mel's version, the beating of Jesus begins immediately upon his arrest, contrary to the Gospels. He is wrapped in chains, and at one point thrown off a bridge. These added beatings, by Jews, and the behavior of the Jews in subsequent scenes, make them a bloodthirsty, barbarous people--the only exceptions being those who believe in Jesus or are sympathetic to his cause. Jews are depicted in customary stereotypes, as greedy and money-grubbing, who can be easily bought off in the middle of the night. The Jewish leaders are seen as the equals of or more powerful than the Romans, which is contrary to history. The Jewish high priest at the time was a Roman appointee, answerable to Pilate--not in Mel's version, though. ... It is an awful depiction, and recalls the worst of medieval passion plays. Yet most of the Christians in the usually select audiences that have seen it so far are oblivious to these things. Even a handful of politically conservative Jewish commentators claim to have seen nothing problematic. But those Jews who have seen it who are not predisposed to be generous to Mel have been shocked by the portrayal. A special screening in Houston included local Jewish community members and representatives of the national offices of the ADL and American Jewish Committee. All had similar reactions. They sat like strangers in the auditorium, unable to understand the emotional reactions of the Christians around them, and unable to understand, when they spoke with those Christians later, how they could have missed the parts of the film that so troubled the Jews.
Further reading: http://wquercus.com/passion.htm |
   
Grateful Straw
Citizen Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1929 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 9:19 am: |    |
I guess the Jews won't be as villified thanks to the focus group. After seeing the film, they felt hand picking the Jews as being responsible for his death wasn't right, so that scene was altered...hmmmmm. For the record, I won't being seeing The Passion because I haven't been thrilled with Mel Gibson's work since Mad Max. Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind.
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Mayhewdrive
Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 811 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 11:15 pm: |    |
Funny line in the Diane Sawyer interview with Mel...he said he was going to go where NOBODY will find him. Where is that? "I'm going to pitch a tent next to the weapons of mass destruction" Maybe Mel's not such a right winger after all.... |