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harpo
Citizen
Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1282
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 5:55 pm: |     |
sb,
Now you're on the side of rationality when it comes to Iraq? Oh. Glad you finally made the switch.
So seriously, I do expect Bush to keep moving in the direction of a fast track out of Iraq, and the question of the day is whether he can move fast enough to avoid getting caught in the outbreak of a civil war. Certainly we don't want US soldiers caught in the middle of that. I don't think we can prevent one, only the Iraqis can, and since we don't have any leverage with any of the political players there, I don't see much point in hanging around and I doubt he does either. I'm not going to criticize him for leaving.
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1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 849
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 6:39 pm: | |
along the lines of what ordinary people can do, at least one brave soldier has gone against the grain, and fled to Canada for refuge.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1550
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10769
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 8:00 pm: | |
  ,
I've always been on the rational side of the equation. And you continue to be on exactly the same side you've always been on: no answers for a madman, no answers for pulling out, no answers, no action, no nothing.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2920
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 - 8:38 pm: | |
Sbenois:
Jaysus H. Mel Gibson Christ, just let it go, already! |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10770
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 8:40 am: | |
Give what up already?
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harpo
Citizen
Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1287
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 6:16 pm: | |
sb,
are you the madman you're talking about?
I don't know what you're looking for. The US going to war in Iraq was a catastrophic mistake. There are no do-overs here. Only pullouts. The US is seen as a Western imperial colonizer in Iraq and however much you'd like to help bring about some marvelous new day there, history is just against it. Too many other Westerners spoiled it for you already. If you keep American solidiers there they are only going to get shot at. Sorry if that isn't hairy-chested enough for you but face reality for a change.
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harpo
Citizen
Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1288
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 6:23 pm: | |
Nohero,
I think he may be past the point of leaving it alone. Did you notice in his earlier post he treated me as a divinity? Maybe you can convince him I'm just a contrarian, even though it's not true. (I stlll honestly think BS is overrated.)
By the way, I also think you need to retract your statement that voting is more effective than demonstrating, maybe especially in light of 2000 elections and the Diebold stories I've been hearing. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10773
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 7:26 pm: | |
It's simple freaking question Harpo: you started this by saying that there must be 50 ways to pull out. I asked you to name the top 15. How about it? You want a complete pullout? It's irresponsible and illogical.
And don't call me a madman again toots.
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Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2930
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 8:56 pm: | |
I'd defend Harpo again, but I'm still all verklempt over her callous dismissal of Mr. Springsteen's oeuvre.
Or, as the madman Mr. S might say, you're on your own, toots! |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10775
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 8:57 pm: | |
Sadly, it's the only thing she's ever been right about.
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Dave
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6462
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:03 pm: | |
This is priceless. |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10776
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:14 pm: | |
Yeah.Let me boil it down for you. Sbenois goes after toots for being a know it all. Nohero goes after Sbenois for not giving up already. Toots makes a love match with her compadre Nohero by going after Sbenois. Sbenois responds in kind to Toots. Toots disses Springsteen. Nohero wants to defend Toots against Sbenois but can't because Toots dissed Stringbean. Sbenois supports Toots in her assertion that Springsteen sucks big time and is completely overrated (i.e. every freaking song is the same"I woke up this mornin' and I decided to take a showerrrrr. So I puton the water and watched it rain down down down. Well the water is gettin real high and I wanna clean my thigh....}
I love everything about ya Toots.
(except for your Mr. Peabody persona)
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GOP STRAW
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 2018
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:22 pm: | |
Springsteen sucks and so do his fans.
BORN TO (have the )RUNS.
Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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MichaelaM
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 91
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:34 pm: | |
Bruce Springsteen: PART MAN PART MONKEY
They prosecuted some poor sucker in these United States
for teachin' that man descended from the apes
They coulda settles that case without a fuss or fight
If they'd seen me chasin' you sugar
Thru the jungle last night
They'd a called in that jury and a one two three said
'Part man part monkey, definitely'
Well the church bell rings from the corner steeple
Man in a monkey suit swears he'll do no evil
Offers his lover's prayer but his soul lies
Dark and driftin and unsatisfied
Well hey bartender tell me what'd ya see
Part man part monkey looks like to me
Well the night is dark the moon is full
The flowers of romance exert their pull
We talk a while my fingers slip
I'm hard and cracking like a whip
Well did God make man in a breath of holy fire
Or did he crawl on up out of the muck and mire
Well the man on the street
Believes what the bible tells him so
But you can ask me mister because I know
Tell them soul-suckin' preachers to come on down and see
Part man part monkey, baby that's me
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10777
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:35 pm: | |
Oh he's just brilliant!
not
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GOP STRAW
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 2020
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:36 pm: | |
baby we were born to fart..
Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10778
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 10:42 pm: | |
By the way Michaela, what is the gig with your family? Do you always communicate by computer only? Is this part of a TQM bizzzzzaro fest dreamed up by you hysterical father?
What's the deal?
I have an image of the three of you sitting next to one another at three adjacent PCs. You don't look at each other, you just type your thoughts into MOL. Every so often your dad gets up, walks over to the stack of Re-elect Bush papers, grabs one and makes it into a paper airplane that he aims at you. If he hits you, he is permitted to scream EUREKA out the window.
Am I right?
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MichaelaM
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 92
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 - 11:33 pm: | |
I think in my dad's TQM world, that would be his ideal. And I can envision my father doing the paper airplane thing. Only my Hillary 2008 planes would fly better. They wouldn't have so much BS weighing them down.
But, I live in Washington, D.C.
And I own a Mac.
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GOP STRAW
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 2021
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 9:15 am: | |
Regarding Michaela,
This young lady has been a breath of fresh to MOL as far as I'm concerned. Now, she's obviously still young and as a result her leanings to the left may only be temporary. Certainly as she grows older and starts a family she may find The Republican ideals a little more to her liking. Many Americans ultimately do, especially the intelligent ones. Heck when I was 23 I thought I had it all figured out. Running around with the fast crowd, doing the pot, going to concerts, etc. However with age comes experience, and with experience comes better decision making. This is in the end why I now make smart choices such as voting Republican.
Now, back to Ms. May. Like I said above, a breath of fresh air. If you came to MOL not sure of your political leanings, the rantings of Nohero, Tom etc. would probably eventually draw you to the right. It's the same old mean spirited argument from these guys with the peanut gallery including Duncan, Harpo, Llama, Wharfrat and others chiming in with rationale that one has to see to believe. You wonder if MOL is really nothing more then a place for 19 year olds to spit out the latest socialist ideal taught by their Poli Sci Professor.
Ms. May is not like the rest of them though, and I do believe it's because of the fabulous upbringing The Mays offered their children. Just another reason why we all want our children raised in such a fine community.
So Little May, you keep it up and good luck in D.C. I am a huge fans of yours and I look forward to each and every post you bring to the table.
Your Friend,
Straw
Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
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harpo
Citizen
Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1292
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:18 pm: | |
sb,
I get the point by now, believe me, you are literal minded. I'm not. The "50 Ways" is a reference to a rather famous Paul Simon song. Meaning: Not to be taken literally.
But do you mean to say that the Bush Administration has no exit strategy for Iraq? Wasn't that one of the lessons Colin Powell supposedly learned from Viet Nam? Always to have a good one? All I know is they have no intention of staying, so get mad at Bush, not me. And I promise you and Straw I will not criticize Bush for getting out. It's the only rational thing to do.
The US invaded Iraq in order to relocate its military bases out of Saudi Arabia and into Iraq, since having bases in the heart of the Muslim holy land was making us a terrorist target for religious fanatics. The Bush Administration counted on the assurances of Ahmed Chalabi that this could be done with a minimum of forces -- and that Chalabi himself could be installed as President, preventing a Shiite ascendancy, and carry forward Bush policy in the region.
It is now obvious Chalabi duped the Bush Administration. Whether or not the Iraqis will now move to civil war or a democratically elected Islamic republic is something we have no control over. We no longer have any leverage with the three antagonistic forces in Iraq. None of them will do our bidding and they have told us so. There is a slim chance that the UN can help organize a political settlement. The last thing any of us should want is the US becoming embroiled in a civil war in Iraq. It is absolutely unwinnable.
If the Bush administration doesn't have a good exit strategy it is not my fault. They didn't have a good entry strategy. What should we expect? But we can't keep asking Americans to lose their lives for those mistakes.
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4815
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:39 pm: | |
My God, does anyone know the number for a good, secure, residential treatment facility for the mentally ill?
No, not for Harpo (this time). For me because I find myself agreeing, minus some of the hyperbole, with her posting.
To continue the musical theme:
"They are coming to take me away today,
They are coming to take me away,
Those nice young men in their clean white coats,
They are coming to take me away today"  |
harpo
Citizen
Username: Harpo
Post Number: 1295
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:46 pm: | |
Not that I'm really interested, but maybe someday somebody will send me a private line spelling out for me how I got the reputation for being a crazy. I think my reputation on MOL is dominated by 3 issues: My support of the accuracy of the CVI's reval numbers which reflected rapidly rising market prices, my outspoken objections to the unnecessary use of gunfire in South Mountain reservation to solve deer issues that have since disappeared on their own, and my advocacy of reform of the property tax system, a position I now share with a bipartisan majority of New Jerseyans.
You should have been listening to me all along, bobk.  |
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