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     lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 705 Registered: 3-2002  |
How much money did he give them out of his wife's fortune? More than Mary Jo Copechne's family got I'll bet! | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1971 Registered: 5-2001  |
what exactly is this "scandal" based on? Even the Sun article, all it says is that Kerry tried to hire her. Well, I imagine every political campaign hires lots of people. And her dad didn't care for Kerry. But it doesn't say why. I don't get it. Sounds totally manufactured. But if this becomesreal dirt, as straw indicates, it won't be the Dems dishing it up. | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1933 Registered: 10-2001  |
Hey Lump, You never know what a Kennedy Democrat might try and pull. Despite this story, my concern with Kerry is of course his voting record. He votes against the Gulf War for some reason, then votes for Gulf war 2...He then back tracks and says he only meant the President should have the right to declare war, but not the right to declare war...Kind of an idiotic excuse but hey, can't say I blame him. After all, most Democratic supporters are idiots anyway and believe just about anything. Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1972 Registered: 5-2001 |
except that's not what he said. But don't let that stop you... | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1973 Registered: 5-2001 |
Let me try to put this in simple terms. Clark tried to explain this, and I thought he did a pretty good job. But, if someone doesn't want to understand what you're saying, how are you going to stop them? We wanted Bush to have the authority to make war if all else failed and it had to come to that. Bush rushed in before he gave a reasonable try to the alternatives. It's like I leave my son with $20 so that if he can't find a ride, he can take a taxi, and five minutes later he's on the phone calling a cab without even trying to get one of his friends. It's a betrayal of the trust you put into someone, to do the right thing, and not just the thing they feel like doing. Don't forget: Saddam did let the U.N. inspectors in last spring, with unprecedented scope. When Cheney & Co. says that he didn't, it's a lie. - - - - - "Ideology, like theater, is dependent on the willing suspension of disbelief. At the core of every ideology lies the worship of a bright new future, with only failure in the immediate past. But once the suspension goes, willingness converts into suspicion -- the suspicion of the betrayed. Our brilliant leaders abruptly appear naive, even ridiculous." | ||
| Joe Citizen Username: Gonets Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2004 |
"After all, most Democratic supporters are idiots anyway and believe just about anything." You hit it right on the head. For instance a lot of us Democratic supporters believed the Bush administrations' tall tales about the danger Sadam posed to us. What a bunch of idiots we were. I mean, come on, the guy's been lying about his military service, was a sleazy businessman (allowing his company to inflate its stock price through a bogus sale of a subsidiary) and all that info was available before the election of 2000. Why would we believe him now? What a bunch of idiots we were. I guess we just couldn't believe that Bush would take advantage of 9/11 to advance his agenda. | ||
| Sylad Citizen Username: Sylad Post Number: 235 Registered: 6-2002 |
I agree that Irag allowed the the UN in, but what you call unprecedented scope was only a bit more "freedom" to inspect then before. This time they did not have to give multiple days notice before entering a facility, but they still had to give notice. When the inspectors pulled out in the late 90's the UN stated that Iraq had a lot of banned weapons. When they went back in last year Iraq never provided details as to what happened to them. President Bush told the world what would happen if Iraq did not comply with the UN sanctions, he gave Iraq a deadline to comply. He went to Congress and asked premission to go into Iraq if needed, yes he said they had WMD, as of today, it has not be found. David Kay's report found the following, and this is only progress report, the ISG is still working. Read the entire statement here at this link: http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html Here are a few important points: A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW (Chemical Banned Weapon) research. A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW (biological weapons) agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN. Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons. New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN. Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS). A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit. Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN. Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi. Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment. In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example, On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents. All IIS laboratories visited by IIS exploitation teams have been clearly sanitized, including removal of much equipment, shredding and burning of documents, and even the removal of nameplates from office doors. Although much of the deliberate destruction and sanitization of documents and records probably occurred during the height of OIF combat operations, indications of significant continuing destruction efforts have been found after the end of major combat operations, including entry in May 2003 of the locked gated vaults of the Ba'ath party intelligence building in Baghdad and highly selective destruction of computer hard drives and data storage equipment along with the burning of a small number of specific binders that appear to have contained financial and intelligence records, and in July 2003 a site exploitation team at the Abu Ghurayb Prison found one pile of the smoldering ashes from documents that was still warm to the touch _______________________________________________ I don't understand how anyone can say that Bush rushed into this, how long should the world wait for Iraq to comply with sanctions they agreed to follow. Iraq never thought that a country would take it upon themselves to enforce UN sanctions. It is critical that our President show resolve and has the committment to back up his statements. It would have been much worse if instead of going in and removing Saddam he just said "Well we tried to work with the UN, we tried direct talks with Iraq, they still won't comply so we are just gonna wait it out" This is what Clinton did for eight years and look what that got us. President Bush has not betrayed the trust of the American people. The only person that is saying that Iraq does not have WMD is Scott Ritter. I have not seen anyone else make that statement. David Kay said that after seeing the intelligence that members of congress and the President saw he would have voted to go into Iraq. | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1934 Registered: 10-2001 |
Oh, please Tom. If you buy that Kerry crap about how he somehow votes to give the President the power to delcare war but somehow this means he voted against the war I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you. Come this summer, Kerry if he is indeed the candidate will be grilled again and again and again and again on this flip flop. In the end he will have to admit he supported action in Iraq, period. Also, We all know why Kerry flip flopped. He did it after seeing Dean take off with his anti-war stance. The same reason he flipped flopped on campaign finance reform as well... Kerry has never seen the side of an issue he didn't agree with. The guy is not capable of being President. Sorry my little Democratic novices but that is the way it is.. Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. | ||
| lumpynose Citizen Username: Lumpyhead Post Number: 706 Registered: 3-2002 |
Also you can expect GWB to be against gay marriage and want civil unions, that's a given. I disagree with him but at least he has conviction. Kerry will dance around the gay marriage issue as well instead of doing what he believes. | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1935 Registered: 10-2001 |
And one more thing. If the Democrats think bashing the President over Iraq will get them the White House, they're in for the spanking of a lifetime. Getting rid of Hussein was important and long over due. WMD'S OR NOT..WE NOW KNOW WHAT IRAQ HAS...AND THIS IS VERY VERY GOOD. Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. | ||
| themp Citizen Username: Themp Post Number: 510 Registered: 12-2001 |
""I have never had a relationship with Sen. Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false," Alexandra Polier, 27, said in a statement to the Associated Press from Nairobi, Kenya, where she was visiting the parents of her fiance. Kerry denied the rumor Friday, a day after they first broke on the Drudge Report Web page of cyber-gossip Matt Drudge. "I just deny it categorically," said Kerry, who's been married since 1995 to Teresa Heinz Kerry, his second wife. "It's rumor. It's untrue, period." Aides said Monday he wouldn't comment further. The rumor has no documented factual foundation. Nevertheless, it had been repeated widely in tabloid newspapers, on cable TV talk shows and over the Internet. That made it potentially harmful to the Kerry campaign and obliged responsible news media, and ultimately Polier, to try to set the record straight." Oh, too bad, so sad. Sorry GOP sleeze machine. I love the way you guys can switch to not believe her and believing in an elaborate payoff scheme so quick. Keeps you limber. Of course if she had said she had an affair, she would have become the most credible person in the world. Bush threw it away. I'd bet cash money Bush is a gone goose. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1975 Registered: 5-2001 |
This sounds like Karl Rove's brain speaking. That makes one between you. I don't listen to Rush or O'Reilly, but I'll bet $10 that if I did for an hour I'd hear five different variations on the theme. You guys on the payroll or something? You're really an incredible bunch of true-believers. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4676 Registered: 5-2001 |
Obviously Kerry used his wife's money to buy off the "intern". Can there be any other answer? Look for her parents to be driving a Mercedes 600 Series in the next two weeks. Remember you heard it here on MOL first. We regularly scoop The Drudge Report. | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1936 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom, This coming from a guy who is ranting and raving over Bush's military experience which has indicated he served and was discharged honorably. Somehow the liberals need to believe he went AWOL which is nothing more then fiction. Sounds like you represent the true believers, not me. Also a question for all MOL liberal weenies. Other then tax increases in my 3 years here I've not once heard any suggestions as to how Bush can better serve the United States. A bunch of ignorant thinkers if you ask me. (Tom, is excluded from this last thought because though he's a dreamer,he is a fairly bright guy..Wish I could say the same for the rest of you) Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. | ||
| bobk Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 4680 Registered: 5-2001 |
GWB brought the National Guard controversy on himself. He first claimed the records were lost (he kept this up through his Meet the Press interview a week ago)and then was reluctant to release them, probably because of his suspension from flying status as a wag. Then he releases the stuff piecemeal up until finally releasing what is probably a fairly complete record on Friday evening at 5:50pm just in time for the 6:00 pm news, but to late for the reporters to do more than glance at the records. Wouldn't it have been easier just to release the records in the first place? At worst this would have been a two day story. Even now I suspect a number of reporters are still digging because the inept way he handled this matter leads to suspicion. | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1938 Registered: 10-2001 |
But he never went AWOL...which is what the Dems wanted and needed...mission not accomplished by liberals (again).. Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 1978 Registered: 5-2001 |
like you guys said about Clinton, it's the lying that gets you every time. The jury's still out, IMHO. | ||
| Sylad Citizen Username: Sylad Post Number: 240 Registered: 6-2002 |
Tom....Who lied about what? | ||
| Nohero Citizen Username: Nohero Post Number: 2880 Registered: 10-1999  |
Source: http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/conason.asp | ||
| Grateful Straw Citizen Username: Strawberry Post Number: 1942 Registered: 10-2001 |
boring Look for awhile at the China Cat Sunflower proud-walking jingle in the midnight sun Copper-dome Bodhi drip a silver kimono like a crazy-quilt stargown through a dream night wind. |
