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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 2081
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:23 pm: |     |
It also proves your earlier point that "If you're only looking for "liberal" bias, that's all you're going to find." |
guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 102
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:25 pm: | |
Then read "Bias" and "Arrogance" by Bernard Goldberg . Go to the Media Research website and look at recent material, and look at this link I posted earlier and we will leave it at that. I know I will never convince you, I am just trying to open you up to another view. Read under NEWS SUMMERY in following link.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote_Feb1004.html |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4810
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:30 pm: | |
Maybe it is just being in the media that turns people liberal. I always thought of Lou Dobb as right of center, but over the last few weeks he has really been going off on the budget and trade deficits.  |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 566
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:33 pm: | |
guy,
read my first post. My mind was open. I've read Bozell's stuff for more than a decade. and he's the master of the out of context, edited quote. |
guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 103
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:38 pm: | |
As I told Dave, let's agree to disagree. I see it myself all the time. I actually didn't care much about until the Iraq War, when it was very blatant. Of course that is only my opinion. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 567
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:53 pm: | |
we can agree to disagree, but I would just advise you to keep your mind open and read some alternate points of view. because both Bozell and Goldberg play pretty fast and loose with quotes. it's one thing for you and I to disagree on opinion, but we should be able to agree on what's factually true. and Bozell's veracity is questionable.
Try www.dailyhowler.com or www.spinsanity.com |
guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 104
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:03 pm: | |
I also will keep an open mind, I could see Bozell's latest Greenspan Speech distortion article coming a mile away. I will read your links. I already have Spinsanity under favorites. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 1004
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:11 pm: | |
Bozell's veracity is no more questionable than the NY Times, DC Post, the Boston Globe or the LA Times or anyone else in this regard. The media loves to run to "Fairness and Accuracy in Media" which of all things thinks PBS is in bed with corporations and bends to the right. The media just dismisses the charge of bias in this snotty elitest sort of way.
By the way, ABC.COM is entirely different than the slanted Peter Jennings/World News Tonight. The editor over there routinely scrubs the headlines to remove what Jennings sniffs about all the time. You find stuff on that website that would never in a million years make it past Jennings.
Look - -it's all produced, it's all slanted to some degree or another. The left has the far bigger share of outlets and slant at this point in time -- the wires, the Big 3 Networks, Hollywood, academia, music. |
guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 105
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:16 pm: | |
Good Stuff Boogie, but please calm my fears on this point. That Dan Rather, Peter Jennings , Tom Brokaw , Katie and Matt, Charles and Diane , to list a few of the people who report the News to 50 million Americans , will vote for the Democrat and possibly slant reporting on certain issues in favor of that candidate or against Bush. If you tell me not worry, I won't. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4817
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:50 pm: | |
So Guy, Cjc and especially Straw (who I believe is a media maven) what do you propose doing?
Should all newscasts and newscasters be screened by Bishop Ashcroft's nice fair minded boys and girls for liberal bias? Do you get to control the media if your party controls the Presidency and both Houses of Congress as is the case in most Bannana Republics?
Personally, I think that this is a straw man, even though I think there is a slightly left slant in network news at present. There is plenty of conservative media, especially print media, available.
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guycaruso
Citizen
Username: Guycaruso
Post Number: 106
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:03 pm: | |
Let the Fox News team with Shepard Smith at the helm broadcast at 6:30 PM once a week over CBS, NBC, and ABC so the big 3 can see how to be FAIR and BALANCED.
I know there is plenty of conservative outlets, but I will say it again, they are not the NEWS shows that report the facts to 35 million americans. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 2083
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:04 pm: | |
Let's not forget, either, that all of the media mentioned here are for-profit enterprises. Presumably they didn't get to be "Big Media" by offending the tastes of their audience. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4818
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:16 pm: | |
Why hasn't the Fox Network done this already?
The cable operation and the network are both owned by Ruppert Murdock for all practical purposes. Instead of showing Mash or Friends reruns at 6:00pm, why not do a "Fair and Balanced (a term I take with a grain of salt)" network news show?
Actually, I enjoy the Fox Cable News. It is very lively and I think the true motto should be, "Politics all the time".
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NCJanow(akaLibraryLady)
Citizen
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 1251
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:25 pm: | |
Bobk, Lou Dobbs isn't right of center, he's just plain right, as in correct. Liberal/Conservative are often arbitrary labels. Issues need to be decided on their own merits. Lou's publicizing of both illegal immigration and shipping jobs overseas are issues that have no labels.
NCJ aka LibraryLady
On a coffee break..or something like it. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 1007
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:25 pm: | |
Dobbs is hardly presenting the entire picture of off-shoring of jobs.
No one is suggesting that some uber-commish determines who's fair and balanced in their presentation. The answer to speech you disagree with is more speech, not less.
Getting big by not offending audiences? The Big 3 have consistently lost audience since the days of Cronkite. People -- with choice and more outlets -- are going elsewhere to escape their monopoly-now-gone and identically slanted presentations. |
Liberal Media
Citizen
Username: Liberalmedia
Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:32 pm: | |
The reality is that if we want our companies to be able to sell their products globally, we have to accept that some of those jobs have to be sourced globally. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold our trading parters up to certain labor standards, so we don't have children working in sweatshops to make our clothes. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 2086
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 4:10 pm: | |
Then how come they're still getting bigger audience shares than Fox? |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4820
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 4:17 pm: | |
Nancy, I have always enjoyed Moneyline and Lou's views were always mainstream (think Paul O'Neil or even Bush I). While sometimes a little pompus (sp?), he has always been the most amiable of people. His change in attitude recently is very noticeable. He is really hot on the outsourcing and trade issues.
Tom, Fox Cable News is the most popular cable news channel. The Fox Network doesn't do an evening news segment which I find surprising. Guess they do better with reruns of old sitcoms. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 4:40 pm: | |
my larger point is that whinging about how much exposure your ideas are getting in a marketplace of ideas is kind of lame. If they're such great ideas, people will line up to hear them. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 1011
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 5:59 pm: | |
tom...you're comparing apples and oranges. Fox is a cable channel -- and I haven't read a figure lately, but 2 years ago over half the country didn't get cable. The Big 3 are over the air. In terms of available audience, it's not even close. Cronkite had a virtual monopoly by comparison (where liberals tend to do very well, versus the competitive marketplace).
Additionally, the same tripe NBC puts out is now seen on their two cable channels which are dead last. They'll stay that way with the arrival of Clinton's buddy Kaplan who cratered CNN. CNN is losing share to Fox and has ever since Fox came on, and now trails Fox.
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MichaelaM
Citizen
Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 96
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 6:39 pm: | |
But at the same time, the major networks seem to focus more on local issues. In addition to the nonpolitical news that TV news covers (celebrities, national disasters, etc.), networks spend a fair amount of their time on local issues like fires, large-scale auto crashes, etc., where a conservative or liberal bias is unlikely to apply.
And, in theory, since network news tends to be more local than CNN or Fox, I would wager that one would find local television news stations vary by region. You'd find more conservative local coverage in rural Mississippi, and more liberal local coverage in, say, northern New Jersey -- since the middle-of-the road is in the mind of the beholder. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4821
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 6:46 pm: | |
After Bush wins in November expect wartime censorship.  |
ML1
Citizen
Username: Ml1
Post Number: 1598
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 7:02 pm: | |
cjc,
about 85% of the country has cable. Penetration has been over 75% for over a decade.
And news channels are on the basic tier on almost every system. |
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