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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 862
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 8:27 pm: | 
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Ahem-- TOO FAR----whadiya think?
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--hillaryclinton-re0117jan17,0,2818209.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1462
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 8:59 pm: |
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Yes. The small smattering of applause confirms it. It was disingenuous and condescending. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 350
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 9:04 pm: |
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Yes! But she is a dem so she won't be held accountable...
imagine if it was a republican who said such words? Off with his/her head!  |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4965
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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"Imagine if it was a Republican who said such words". Yes, let's do that. How about the 1992 Republican Platform -
Quote:For low-income families, the Republican Party stands for a revolution in housing by converting public housing into homes owned by low-income Americans. President Bush is eager to work closely with the States to fight and win a new conservative war on poverty. The truest measure of our success will not be how many families we add to housing assistance rolls but, rather, how many families move into the ranks of homeownership. But every part of that opportunity agenda has been thwarted by landlord Democrats in Congress. We ask the electorate: End the strangulation of divided government.Give Republicans the chance to move housing policy off the Democrat Party plantation into the main-stream of American life.
Or, the National Republican Senatorial Committee -
Quote:Charles Krauthammer Called [Senator Harry] Reid's Objection To [Judge Clarence] Thomas A Symbol Of The "Liberal Plantation Mentality," Where It Is Unacceptable To Be A Conservative African-American Man. Charles Krauthammer: "He said some nice things about Scalia and lousy stuff about Thomas. If you look at their records on the Court, Scalia and Thomas are two closest in terms of concurrences and agreements. . . . In the end, you've got to ask yourself, why Scalia, good, Thomas, bad in the eyes of a man like Reid. I say it's the liberal plantation mentality, in which if you're a man on the right and white, it's OK. If you are the man on the right and you're African-American, it's not."
Or, a National Review column, entitled The Liberal Plantation
Quote:All of this is further evidence for the proposition, long advanced by the Wall Street Journal op-ed page, that liberals are very scared by blacks who have dared to escape from the comforts of the liberal plantation.
And so it goes …
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5064
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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A stirring defense......not. And so it goes? Jesse Jackson had to run third party for president. The only thing keeping the black vote is blind loyalty in the face of continued misery hitched to failed programs and promises and an opaque ceiling keeping blacks out of the true hierarchy of Democrat national officeholders. They've never gotten into the 'big house' in terms of past history. The promises are there that they will, but they're empty. And those that buck the system of empty promises are labeled as traitors.
So empty. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5614
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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Yea I seem to recall Trent Lott saying something smarmy.
politicians is all alike |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 865
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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"The small smattering of applause confirms it"
LOL
She went to speak to blacks and tailored her comments for them. Its called lipservice IIRC. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5068
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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I agree, Foj. The only thing missing was a Southern Baptist preacher's cadence and lilt that Gore used to embarrassingly put on his rants.
Some people find that easy to excuse, including around 90% of black voters. Mental giants, all. |
GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 260
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 10:58 pm: |
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cjc is right. Only Republicans really care about black folks. if only they could see it. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3240
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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I thought she was talking about Calabrese & Co:
"We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism, we have incompetence," she said. "I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/17/clinton.king.ap/index.html
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1349
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:13 pm: |
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Scrotis:
"Yes! But she is a dem so she won't be held accountable...
imagine if it was a republican who said such words? Off with his/her head!"
Ah, you fell into the manure again.
Newt Gingrich said just the same thing in 1994, except he added something to the effect that "we slaves are going to take over the plantation..."
However, Newt did not apparently get his head lopped off.
CJC: nice swipe at black voters. Glad to see your true sentiments.
All that being said, I must admit that I find Hillary Clinton to be as "sincere" and scary as a number of posters on this board.
She is another one who shouldn't be elected town exterminator. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:20 pm: |
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Sorry. I slightly mis-stated Newt's Plantation quote from 1994.
He said: "Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I'm actually willing to lead the slave rebellion."
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 867
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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It seems that the Negroes really liked her comments. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 363
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:00 pm: |
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Innisowen,
I see you trying to pull out the race card there, well put it back. As a SWM, I am the butt end of everyone elses anger and frustration. If they are allowed to speak their mind then so am I...
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Stevef
Citizen
Username: Stevef
Post Number: 160
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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Quote:As a SWM, I am the butt end of everyone elses anger and frustration.
weirdest thing posted on the Internet since its inception. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1357
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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Scroto:
There you go again--- you must have won your high school's athletic trophy for jumping to conclusions 7 years in a row.
Read CJC's posting about "black voters. Mental giants, all." ( I quote from above). There's the "race card," as you call it.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 540
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:24 pm: |
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I would like to thank Hillary Clinton and Mayor Nagin for making this a great week for conservatives. You are doing more for our political hopes in 2006 than anyone else. I only hope that you will continue to make speeches and stand by your convictions. Sincerely, Southerner |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 871
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:43 pm: |
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I know of no Negroes who complained about that remark.
Thou thinkith thou protestith TOO MUCH Yonder Repubs. Hillary spoke truth to power, the Negroes loved it, Repubs hated it.
It seems to me most of the complainers are probably rasists. White ones.
AGAIN, the Negroes loved it.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 542
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:49 pm: |
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I agree. They are raisanists, or is that raciests, or rarists, or raseests, or rasaineets, or rariests. They are definitely something!! And I am ourtraged!! |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5072
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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Innis. And you seemed so smart all this time -- at least be accurate in your spurious charges. I didn't question all black voters. I only questioned the 90% of voters who are taken for granted, show up on election day and vote for people who haven't helped them out of the misery they say they're in. 10% are obviously quite intelligent. Their race has nothing to do with their intelligence or lack of same, of course.
And 16% of the black voters in Ohio were extremely intelligent back in 2004! 
That being said, it doesn't matter how smart you are, Innis, if you don't think. This cuts across all populations, and your genus as well. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1361
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:11 pm: |
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CJC:
Spurious, my sister's cat's arse!
I quote you from above:
"Some people find that easy to excuse, including around 90% of black voters. Mental giants, all."
Not much wiggle room for misunderstandings there, CJC. Or was that not what you intended to say, and you perhaps intended to say something else?
It reads to me as though you said 90% of black voters are "mental giants." Clearly a snide comment, unless you somehow by twisted logic meant it as a compliment.
To paraphrase your post above, CJC, it doesn't matter how smart you think you are, if you can't write what you mean to say.
If you did write what you meant to say, that's fine.
It just reveals a lot about your thought processes. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 368
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 8:25 am: |
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Duck CJC...Innis IS trying to shut you up with the race card....
What is wrong with what CJC said? Allow me to spell it out....90% of the bla...(woops, can't say that...ummmm) African American do vote democrat and if they vote democrat simply because they are democrat then they aren't being too intelligent about the matter...and that goes goes for anyone else who votes party lines.
In my Brooklyn days I use to shake my head during election time of all the AA running of the Democrat ticket. We actually had one AA Republican on my block who ran for city council (and lost-surprise). I was actually threatened by a number of AA all because of who I voted for in 2004. I knew a number of older AAs that actually told me personal stories of Democratic intimidation (job loss, etc.) and poll taxes imposed on them years ago. The funny thing is they STILL vote Democrat today...strange...
Yep, the Democratic brainwashing sure has its grip on the AA community...what they actually do for them I have no clue....
Stevef-no, your picture is the weirdest thing posted on the Internet since its inception...whatever your reasons for choosing it, it does not put you in a good light...
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1362
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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Scroto:
So what's your point? That CJC's term "mental giants" IS NOT a swipe at the 90% of black voters he connects to the two words? Or that because CJC and you don't agree with the way "they" vote, the remark is justified?
Suppose I used the term "mental giants" to describe you and CJC? Would you take it as a compliment? As an insult? As an innocent observation?
If you have to go to the lengths that you just did, to explain away the remark, "Allow me to spell it out..." then you must believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with it.
Let's not even get into a discussion of what EITHER party does for ethnic groups in this country beyond lying through its teeth to them. That's another subject.
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Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1436
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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I guess Innis forgot how MOL and the left media slammed people of faith as stupid for voting for Bush because of their values. In fact Bob Herbert, an African American, had this to say on the subject:
"I think a case could be made that ignorance played at least as big a role in the election's outcome as values. . . . This is scary. How do you make a rational political pitch to people who have put that part of their brain on hold? No wonder Bush won. . . . There's a fair amount of cluelessness in the ranks of the values crowd. . . . A more practical approach might be for Democrats to add teach-ins to their outreach efforts. Anything that shrinks the ranks of the clueless would be helpful"
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Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1198
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Big difference between Bill and Hillary:
Bill- "I feel your pain"- subtle, yet compassionate and earnest.
Hillary- "...run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about..."- pandering and insulting for a Chicago WASP from a family of means to insinuate herself into the African-American experience. No educated person of any race could fail to see this as disingenious and calculated- or miscalculated.
People who wanted to hate Bill Clinton found themselves liking him in spite of themselves. People who want to like Hillary, conversely, find themselves cringing when moments like this arise. She needs to work to her own strengths instead of trying to emulate his. She will never have a fraction of Bill's charisma- nobody does. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 737
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:17 am: |
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cjc once accused me of bigotry for my stance on Hariet Myers. I now turn the tables and take offense at cjc's remarks. In my mind they are very telling and I dont think he can backtrack fast enough to cover.
His underlying premise, along with Scrotis', that blacks are voting against their own self interest is hilarious. The democratic party is the party that voted against medicaid cuts, voted against the student loan cuts, voted against republican policies that put corporations before people. The democratic party is responsible for the voting rights act, for civil rights legislation, for health care for everyone.
Southerner, its not funny and cant be made into a joke. cjc should appologize for his remarks. It is not like saying all libs are morons. It was directed at only black people and it may have showed us all an ugly glimpse into his actual thought process.
Scrotis is no better in that he feels like he is an oppressed white male. Poor Scrotis. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1364
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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Guy:
God, I hate to cut and paste full texts, but below is the full Bob Herbert Op-Ed piece from which you took your selective quote, and did so perhaps out of context.
I have inserted arrows (--> <---)to note the text you quoted, so it is in context.
"The so-called values issue, at least as it's being popularly tossed around, is overrated.
Last week's election was extremely close and a modest shift in any number of factors might have changed the outcome. If the weather had been better in Ohio. If the wait to get into the voting booth hadn't been so ungodly long in certain Democratic precincts. Or maybe if those younger voters had actually voted.
--->I think a case could be made that ignorance played at least as big a role in the election's outcome as values. A recent survey by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland found that nearly 70 percent of President Bush's supporters believe the U.S. has come up with ''clear evidence'' that Saddam Hussein was working closely with Al Qaeda. A third of the president's supporters believe weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. And more than a third believe that a substantial majority of world opinion supported the U.S.-led invasion.
This is scary. How do you make a rational political pitch to people who have put that part of their brain on hold? No wonder Bush won.
The survey, and an accompanying report, showed that there's a fair amount of cluelessness in the ranks of the values crowd. The report said, ''It is clear that supporters of the president are more likely to have misperceptions than those who oppose him.''<---
I haven't heard any of the postelection commentators talk about ignorance and its effect on the outcome. It's all values, all the time. Traumatized Democrats are wringing their hands and trying to figure out how to appeal to voters who have arrogantly claimed the moral high ground and can't stop babbling about their self-proclaimed superiority. Potential candidates are boning up on new prayers and purchasing time-shares in front-row-center pews.
A more practical approach might be for Democrats to add teach-ins to their outreach efforts. Anything that shrinks the ranks of the clueless would be helpful.
If you don't think this values thing has gotten out of control, consider the lead paragraph of an op-ed article that ran in The LA. Times on Friday. It was written by Frank Pastore, a former major league pitcher who is now a host on the Christian talk-radio station KKLA.
''Christians, in politics as in evangelism,'' said Mr. Pastore, ''are not against people or the world. But we are against false ideas that hold good people captive. On Tuesday, this nation rejected liberalism, primarily because liberalism has been taken captive by the left. Since 1968, the left has taken millions captive, and we must help those Democrats who truly want to be free to actually break free of this evil ideology.''
Mr. Pastore goes on to exhort Christian conservatives to reject any and all voices that might urge them ''to compromise with the vanquished.'' How's that for values?
In The New York Times on Thursday, Richard Viguerie, the dean of conservative direct mail, declared, ''Now comes the revolution.'' He said, ''Liberals, many in the media and inside the Republican Party, are urging the president to 'unite' the country by discarding the allies that earned him another four years.''
Mr. Viguerie, it is clear, will stand four-square against any such dangerous moves toward reconciliation.
You have to be careful when you toss the word values around. All values are not created equal. Some Democrats are casting covetous eyes on voters whose values, in many cases, are frankly repellent. Does it make sense for the progressive elements in our society to undermine their own deeply held beliefs in tolerance, fairness and justice in an effort to embrace those who deliberately seek to divide?
What the Democratic Party needs above all is a clear message and a bold and compelling candidate. The message has to convince Americans that they would be better off following a progressive Democratic vision of the future. The candidate has to be a person of integrity capable of earning the respect and the affection of the American people.
This is doable. Al Gore and John Kerry were less than sparkling candidates, and both came within a hair of defeating Mr. Bush.
What the Democrats don't need is a candidate who is willing to shape his or her values to fit the pundits' probably incorrect analysis of the last election. Values that pivot on a dime were not really values to begin with."
One of Herbert's key points here was that Bush won among his "faithful" because they bought the lies his administration spread about the reasons for the Iraq war.
What does that have to do with the subject at hand? |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4970
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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Innisowen - Don't blame Guy for the out-of-context quote.
He was probably relying on James Taranto at OpinionJournal.com -
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110005868
It's part of the way down the page.
Of course, whether one should rely on that as a source of "facts", is an entirely different question ... |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1365
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Nohero:
I presume that is the source of Guy's out-of-context quote. Thanks.
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Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1437
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:46 am: |
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Sorry , I can not reveal my source.
Do you need require more examples of the left calling Bush voters stupid. A simple MOL search will probably supply this.
Please explain the difference between cjc calling a certain group who vote democratic " mental giants" and the left calling a certain group who vote Republican, " stupid".
Thanks in advance. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1366
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:00 pm: |
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Guy:
In advance, you're welcome.
I don't believe that anyone needs your unrevealable "source." I pasted the true source document above.
It makes no difference where you found your out-of-context quote which misrepresented Herbert's article.
Maybe I'm parsing words but I am trying to keep to the subject, rather than cloud the issue with irrelevant comments.
I believe there is a fundamental difference between:
1) an Op-Ed piece where the author says that many Bush supporters were misinformed and put "their brains on hold" (implying that they do have a brain that they could use but chose not to), and
2) the CJC comment that calls 90% of the voters of a specific racial group "mental giants"--- unless of course CJC meant that as a compliment.
If he did, that would rank as a most unusual and back-handed compliment, at least in my book.
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Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1438
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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Innis , I take it you stance is that the left did not call Christian Bush supporters stupid for voting for Bush.
Unfortunately, I don't subscribe to Times Select ( shocker ), so I can't post Rich, Dowd, Herbert archives. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 371
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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InnisOwen,
Wow! We finally agree on something (see your last line of your last post)! 
You basically refer to myself, cjc as everything BUT "mental giants" so does would it really matter if you actually did?
Still raining in VT? I was a Killington boy myself (snowboarder). Never did own property but did have full access to a trailside house for many years...God I miss it!
Hoops-save your sympathy, I am not seeking any, but ALL groups face some form of discrimination/bigotry in this country, not just minorities.
And oh:
"His underlying premise, along with Scrotis', that blacks are voting against their own self interest is hilarious. The democratic party is the party that voted against medicaid cuts, voted against the student loan cuts, voted against republican policies that put corporations before people. The democratic party is responsible for the voting rights act, for civil rights legislation, for health care for everyone."
How funny...good one... the Dems do this to protect a large voting block they can't afford to lose.
Do I need to remind you of the Democrats resistance to integration in 60-70s? Do I need to remind you of Bubba's ambilvalence to welfare reform in the 1990s (thank God or that)?
Want me to keep going?
I am not tryingto claim the Republicans are any better in regards to minority issues but I sure wish the Dems would stop pretending they are god's gift....
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1367
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:04 pm: |
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Scrotey:
Sometimes when I read what you say that I said, I want to shoot myself in the head and end the pain.
"You basically refer to myself, cjc as everything BUT "mental giants" so does would it really matter if you actually did?" (I'm of course omitting the cute happy face you inserted)
What the hell does that sentence mean?
Let me quote Kevin Spacey's line in Glengarry Glen Ross: "Will you go to lunch? WILL YOU PLEASE GO TO LUNCH?"
You must be so hungry that you're not thinking straight right now.
I'll do this one slowly: I took issue with CJC's linking of the term "mental giants" with 90% of black voters.
What is there about this that you seem unable to grasp?
Good snow is scarce right now. I may need to sell the place and move to Newfoundland for reliable snow. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1368
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:08 pm: |
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Guy:
I quote you:
"Innis , I take it you stance is that the left did not call Christian Bush supporters stupid for voting for Bush."
In this case, I really don't care what the left called Christian Bush supporters. I really don't.
I was interested in pointing out that you used the Bob Herbert quote entirely out of context. If you want to quote a journalist's writing, quote it in context and don't misrepresent it.
I need to find some snow and go skiing. |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 361
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:11 pm: |
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"As a SWM, I am the butt end of everyone elses anger and frustration."
That is just too funny.
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Heybub
Citizen
Username: Heybub
Post Number: 409
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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Looks like Innis is saying that it is OK to question the blind voting habits of Christian Republicans but not of African American Democrats. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 376
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
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Innisowen:
Pay attention (should I type slower)?:
In a previous post you state:
"Suppose I used the term "mental giants" to describe you and CJC?"
Obviously "mental giants" is a swipe at someone's intelligence level.
You have taking many swipes at individual's intelligence levels in your 1368 posts, especially at those who dare to be audacious enough to disagree with you, Mr. "i"ndependent.
So based on this, what would it matter if you referred to us as "mental giants" as the way CJC uses it?
Twokitties-I have never said that this anger is frustration is pronounced. Maybe you have never noticed it because you are too busy wrapped up in your own self pity?
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 741
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:07 pm: |
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Interesting quote from Scrotis - a couple of weeks back he posted this ( I boldened the interesting part ) SLK appears to be a changeling. Or maybe he got himself a quickie divorce.
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 105
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Friday, December 30, 2005 - 5:17 pm:
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Dawny-
thanks for the input but I can safely say we all have lives on this board, some of just like to spend it engaging in some hardcore political debates. Just call it educational venting
As I always tell my wife, "I could be doing worse things like going on a crack binge while philandering with a two bit ho all night/everynight..."
wait on second thought, is there a difference?
Hi Tom, I 've been meaning to tell you for a while now to don't feel like you have to apologize tot hat brooklyn poster for being a non-black guy bringing up black issues (you know what post I am talking about). In my opinion, we may have enemies in life, but never a bigger of an enemies as our own selves.
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and that is not the only time he discusses his wife on this board. He described her as a liberal, etc.
Which is it Scrotis? Or do you have a differing definition of SWM? |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:38 pm: |
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Scrotey:
I thought for a brief, precious, rarified, and unique moment that you understood. You even quoted my hypothetical "Suppose I used the term "mental giants" to describe you and CJC?"
A hypothetical is something that didn't happen but could, by the way, as in "what if I were to call you that"? (but I haven't yet) for example.
I guess I hate to say this, but you don't seem to work well with plain, written language.
You are either really, genuinely, fully, and irretrievably obtuse and have a major brick wall between yourself and comprehension, or you're pulling my leg.
I so fervently want to believe that you're pulling my leg...
...But I'm not taking bets on it...
Hoops:
The 'S' in Scrotis's SWM posting does not necessarily have to stand for 'single.'
EOM. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 379
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:45 pm: |
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Hoops-
It is called an un-PC sense of humor that my wife appreciates, well most of the time.
But since you are so concerned with my personal relationships, my wife and I have known each other (best friends) for the last 16 years and together for the last 6 and we are not going anywhere.
Innisowen-geez, you are thick! If my last post doesn't clarify things then forget it....go skiing or something...oops forgot...HA HA! 
Very good kiddies, yes "S" can mean a variety of things....wow, einstein... |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 380
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:48 pm: |
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Hoops-
It is called an un-PC sense of humor that my liberal wife appreciates, well most of the time. But since you are so concerned with my personal relationships, my wife and I have known each other (best friends) for the last 16 years and together for the last 6 and we are not going anywhere.
But Hoops-you are keeping close tabs on my previous posts, a little too close if you ask me...Should I be concerned with hanging outside my house next? Creepy...
Innisowen-geez, you are thick sometimes! If my last post doesn't clarify things then forget it....go skiing or something...oops forgot...HA HA!
Very good kiddies, yes "S" can mean a variety of things....wow, einstein... |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1370
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:52 pm: |
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Well, Scrotey:
I guess your way of trying to show emphasis is to repeat yourself.
That's OK, son. That's OK, son.
You can calm down now. You can calm down now.
And your next to last post was as clear as 90% of your posts are, if that is any consolation. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 743
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:59 pm: |
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Innis - The most common usage of S is single. Of course there could be many other translations but I dont think he was going for them.
Scrotis - sure it does. You didnt mean SWM at all right?
All it means to me is that you are going to twist your arguments anyway you want but it also means your credibility is thin. What you claim and what you think do not have to be the same thing and that smacks of intellectual dishonesty. Of course I am not convinced that there is anything intellectual about what you think so maybe its ok.
And Scrotis, the only problem I have is that I actually read your posts. I should probably just ignore them but your points are so off point that they require commentary. Nice back-pedalling though.
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crabby
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Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 430
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 6:47 pm: |
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Back to the regularly scheduled program...Hillary is a LOON and unelectable. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 383
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 7:22 pm: |
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Innis/Hoops:
I am using "S" as in STRAIGHT....you know, STRAIGHT WHITE MALE? Gee, that ws difficult to figure out since I have mentioned I am married.
Hoops-
I am using "S" how I CHOOSE (so that must mean I mean't it that way) to and just because it went over your head I am being intellectualy dishonest? Why didn't you just ask me what it mean't, or how I mean't it? Would of saved alot of time and energy...
And on top of that I do not offer you, another Michael Moore wannabe that offers nothing except what he gets of the Democratic Underground website , any intellectual stimulation but you continue to read my "off" posts anyways because they deserve comment...
How many times can you defy logic in one post, Aristotle?
I better go flush my Philosophy degree down the toilet and sue my secondary education institution, because I don't match the awesome intellectual wit of the mighty stalking Hoopster...
sniffle....
HOw
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Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1381
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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Scrotis:
Why do you think you have to convince us that you're a STRAIGHT WHITE MALE? I'm not questioning your lifestyle or sexual choices.
I'm just questioning your reading comprehension.
So what do you think about Aristotle anyway?
Do you still think he's cutting edge or has he lost ground to Thomas Aquinas or maybe William of Ockham?
What about William Lull? Don't you think his Liber Principiorum Philosophiae is a little bit "over the top"?
Do you think that if he hadn't been martyred in Tunisia in 1315 that he might have had a career in IT? A wife and family maybe? Membership in a country club? A Lexus or an Audi? Decaf triple venti skim lattes on a daily basis?
I don't know. Maybe you could tell me. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5074
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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And yes, Crabby...back to our program.
Hillary's attack today that Bush didn't take Iran seriously and that he outsourced our foreign policy to our allies is really effective unless of course you remember what Bush's detractors themselves called for and in a previous Administration actually did -- which was nothing and worse than nothing.
First of all, Bush had the audacity to call Iran exactly what they were -- part of the Axis of evil and sponsors of terrorism. Previous to this, the Clinton Administration didn't do much to move the ball on Iran and didn't have the cajones (which were busy elsewhere) to sternly oppose them. Albright's tenure at State is best characterized as dumping the descriptive "rogue states" to something softer like "nations of concern" to our sworn enemies. Believing in Arafat was a winner too.
As for outsourcing our foreign policy, Democrats wailed that Bush was doing things unilaterally (which was ridiculous as he started his Iraq War run-up at the UN). Failing a UN Resolution authorizing the use of force, Bush went ahead and took whatever allies he had and went to war. This is exactly what Clinton did in his Kosovo campaign which was opposed by the UN as well as China and Russia wouldn't go along with it.
Bush is using allies and diplomacy with Iran, but it seems like Democrats wants Bush to do things unilaterally there as well as with N. Korea. Bush is using 6 nations to try to bring N. Korea and two of them aren't our allies, arguably. We all remember the brilliant unilateral move by the Clinton Administration with N. Korea which failed to stop them from pursuing nukes. This because Carter went over there uber-unilaterally and phoned in that he had a deal with Kim Jong Ill. Clinton masterfully accepted it because of some great respect for Carter's foreign policy skills. Or did this liar think he could trust another liar?
Democrats are all about opposition for the sake of it, hoping that people will buy it and not look under the hood. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 388
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:01 am: |
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Innis-
I am not tryign to convince you of anything. You and Hoops had trouble deciphering the "S"
You seem like a pretty intelligent guy, but why should I put faith in such since you couln't even check weatherchannel.com before taking a week long sking trip? |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 389
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:02 am: |
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Oh Innis, by the way...Socrates is my main bro! |
Innisowen
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Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1385
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 9:07 am: |
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Scrotey:
With Socrates as a common denominator, we may be closer than you think.
As to skiing weather, I am here at the house most weekends anyway since it's only a 3 hr drive. I take whatever snow I can get. There's usually more snow here than I need, except for this week. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 397
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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Innis-
I know, just kidding...I have been there...and I miss it! |
bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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All politicians, from both parties, should refrain from using the word "plantation" and comparing those on the other side of the aisle to Nazis. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 3969
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |
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Amen, bettyd.
Why use those words unless you really don't have anything to say. |
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