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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 868
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:57 pm: | 
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maybe they could have stoped it---And this is how they plan to stop the "next attack"
I just want to see if I have this straight--- |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4224
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:04 am: |
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--like maybe they could have intercepted the message on 9/10 that said "tomorrow's the day".
Oh wait, they did intercept that one.
Three words: The Pet Goat. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5616
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:07 am: |
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Quote:The following is a redacted text of the presidential daily briefing from August 6, 2001:
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.
Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the U.S. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
Course domestic spying is no replacement for good reading comprehension, no?
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Garcia
Citizen
Username: Photojournalist
Post Number: 16
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
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hey, cut the guy some slack, he had a tee time, |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1351
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 9:40 am: |
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Oh, you liberal cynics, you!
Next you'll be saying that John Murtha, John Kerry, and Max Cleland really did serve with honor in Vietnam, and you'll expect people to believe it.
And by the way, My Pet Goat is the title of the book, not The Pet Goat. And it was required reading in the Texas Air National Guard.
So there! |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 355
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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E-C-H-E-L-O-N
Tom/Duncan-Really now...one of you say he knew the day before 9/11(which is news) while the other brings up a vague timeframe...
which one is it?
Silly liberals...too smart for their own good....
E-C-H-E-L-O-N |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2237
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 6:11 pm: |
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SLK, what about Echelon? What do you know about it? How did it work? Did it ever go into use? Is it in use now? If not, why? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 870
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:37 pm: |
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But they were spying before 9-11. ANd they didnt stop it. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5624
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 8:50 pm: |
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I know what I know. Which isn't much (thought I would save you the trouble there cjc), except that that PDB of 8/6 combined with the many MANY other things we know should have led Ms Rice to look on that as more than an historical document.
It was a bloody red flag waving is all. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 874
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 9:02 pm: |
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Cheney said if we had been spying prior to 9-11 maybe we coulf have stopped it.
WEll it turns out the BUSH Regime WAS SPYING BEFORE 9-11.
And They didnt stop the planes-- |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 367
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 8:08 am: |
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Rastro- Still doing my homework on Echelon and this scandal....the jury is still out...I hope I am smart enough not to take the NYTs (or any other media outlet)word for it....
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5625
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 8:13 am: |
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I hope so too Scrotus, but my guess is you will find the info that bolsters your argument and use that. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 369
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 8:28 am: |
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Duncan,
Your overt cynnicism surely makes you unattractive. Have faith, I like to know the complete story before making my decision...obviously you don't as I recall you making up your mind as soon the story "conveniently" hit the presses... |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1435
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 8:28 am: |
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Duncan, have you read the last line of this PDB?
"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives."
The rest of this brief was accurately described by Rice as containing no actionable intel.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/
If you want the 60 min ECHELON transcript, it's here.
http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5631
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:01 am: |
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Yup I read the first and last lines. Nothing in between though. Kind of how I read mysteries.
And my cynicism aside, I didn't make up my mind on this when the story came out...whatever story that is. I made up my mind when the 9/11 commission report came out..which I did read.
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 738
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Someone remind me just how many cabinet level meetings Bush had to discuss and plan anti-terrorist activities before 9/11.
The last I heard it was zero. It didnt matter what the PDB said, Bush was going on vacation and couldnt be bothered with the nations security at the time.
Rice just flat out lied to the commitee. Cheney flat out lies anytime he speaks in public. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 370
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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Hoops-
Like his predecessor for 8 previous years...enough with this argument...lets just say NO ONE was paying attention and move on...it would be nice that you critics step in the future instead of always dwelling on the "could ofs, would ofs should ofs" of the past...
Only Republicans lie...yadayadayadaa..blah... |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 740
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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wrong Scotis. His predecessor spent a great deal of time on terrorism and warned the incoming administration that they would likewise need to do so. That advice was ignored.
I dont believe I tarred republicans with the liar tag. I believe I tarred Rice and Cheney though. I'll stick with my argument.
I get your argument though. The repubs can do no wrong, have not done any wrong and if they ever have done wrong then its really all in the past and lets move on.
The president has broken the law of the land over and over. His administration has promoted torture as an effective means of interrogation. His administration has kept innocent people locked up on guatanemo for years without any representation.
I find it hard to believe that anyone can defend this administration unless they had a vested financial interest. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 373
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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"wrong Scotis. His predecessor spent a great deal of time on terrorism and warned the incoming administration that they would likewise need to do so. That advice was ignored."
First time I ever choked on a tuna fish sandwich! 
Another doozy:
"I get your argument though. The repubs can do no wrong, have not done any wrong and if they ever have done wrong then its really all in the past and lets move on."
Are you sure you are not calling the kettle black here? Have you ever asked me what I thought Bush did wrong? I have a whole list...come on, I dare you to...
One more:
"His administration has kept innocent people locked up on guatanemo for years without any representation."
See 5th amendment...
I am done for now...LOL
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4230
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:37 pm: |
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scrotis it's pretty well documented that the outgoing administration warned the Bush people explicitly about bin Laden and al Qaeda, but they chose instead to focus on Iraq. Even after 9/11, their first instinct was, go after Iraq. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 375
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:49 pm: |
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Tom-
I understand that much, but while warnings were flying and all the attacks that occured on his watch, I am curious how the Clinton Administration was handling the terrorist threat themselves...
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2243
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:51 pm: |
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Scrotis, you broght up ECHELON, yet you admit don't know much about it? Perhaps you should have done your research before making your comments. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5636
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:53 pm: |
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Scrotis it is so funny to hear, from the right (and for the sake of this argument you are their figurhead)
Quote:it would be nice that you critics step in the future instead of always dwelling on the "could ofs, would ofs should ofs" of the past
Cause if I have to read one more post about Monicagate, a blue dress, a BJintheWH or what have you I will puke. And those do, indeed, come from your side of the aisle.
And while in general I agree that we should move on, we should not ignore the very real evidence that suggests there was a better way to handle this. Especially in the light of the alledged video of OBL today. |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1439
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:59 pm: |
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Duncan, since you love the theatre.
http://www.monicathemusical.com/ |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 377
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:07 pm: |
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Well as I always say about Moincagate, if you need to cheat on your wife, at least do it with a woman that is better looking then her....
Yet again, that is a tough call between Hillary and Monica....ummmm  |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2245
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 2:11 pm: |
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SLK,
I don't believe it, but I finally agree with you on something!  |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 883
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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Yeah- I'm with SLK on that one.
But back on topic.
Recently Cheney said If they had been spying (al la the NYT story of mid DEC) before 9-11, maybe they could have stopped the 9-11 attacks.
MORE RECENTLY it has come out that that they WERE SPYING prior to 9-11.
BUSH CO seems to stick its foot in its mouth so often, Those guys gotta keep their lies straight.
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