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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3013
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 6:34 pm: | 
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Have you seen the pictures of the Muri Patan survivors of the Pakistani earthquake? Is there any wonder these people feel abandoned by the rest of the world?
How do we help them? Why can't we give them homes? If we can airlift a photographer who "falls ill" while photographing them, why can't we airlift these kids?
(These are the people who are freezing to death in the mountains, in the snow, in tents...)
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 890
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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Come on, we just got a fake OBL tape -- who cares? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2260
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:20 pm: |
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What makes you think it is fake? |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3017
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 1:37 am: |
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If we really wanted to win hearts and minds, we would do something about the children who are freezing in the mountains. That would be a self-interested motive, but there might be another reason, like, it would be the right thing to do.
Do we really want these people to freeze to death in the 21st century? Could some of our young people build shelters, at least?
How can we watch this happen?
Holy cow!!!
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sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14437
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 7:35 am: |
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Holy cow is right.
Let's take care of the people in New Orleans first. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10346
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:41 am: |
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Actually I think we have done a fair amount. I know Pakistan allowed us to send in Army medical teams and I strongly suspect that a lot of those tents have "US Army" stenciled on the side. |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 183
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:58 am: |
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Just like 75% of the food dropped in North Korea has "United States of America" stamped on the side....we have been feeding Kim Jong Ill's people for a decade now, but noboday really cares about that..... |
CageyD
Citizen
Username: Cageyd
Post Number: 555
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 2:23 pm: |
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I saw that show last night too. My young kids were with me and they were stunned. I was thinking of contacting Habitat for Humanity to see if they have earmarked Pakistan for immediate assistance. RE: New Orleans, you cannot compare the two. NOLA refugess are currently being housed in hotels and trailers. NOt ideal but not freezing out side with no shoes. Frankly, I hate that "take care of Americans first" attitude. This is not a situation of equal suffering - I think even NOLA survivors would agree. At least the people of Pakistan can be greatful that "Brownie" isn't in charge - imagine how much worse it would be. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3018
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
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CageyD: Thanks for seeing it.
By the way, BobK those tents, US Army or not, are leaking. You really think that's OK? |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 394
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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Tulip-
Donate money or even pack a suitcase, jump on the plane and do something about it if it bothers you so much. The US is doing its part to help:
The United States has announced that it will provide an initial contribution of USD 156 million (PKR 3 billion) for emergency relief in Pakistan. The U.S. military is also providing supplies and assistance. As of November 3, the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) has 933 personnel providing relief and reconstruction assistance in support of the Pakistan earthquake relief effort. Five CH-47 Chinook and three UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters are being moved into Pakistan immediately, and a C-17 Globemaster III military aircraft has already been assigned to bring blankets, tents and other relief supplies to the victims. The 212th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH), established October 25 in Muzaffarabad, currently has 36 Intensive Care Unit beds, 60 intermediate minimal care beds, and two operating rooms. To date the MASH has performed 46 surgeries, and treated 548 non-surgical patients. Furthermore, a 23-member logistical support group is also being dispatched from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey. The United States Agency for International Development has provided more than USD $41.8 million for relief work in Pakistan, including nine completed airlifts of relief supplies. The airlifts delivered a total of 45,000 blankets, 1,570 winterized tents, 6,150 rolls of plastic sheeting for approximately 30,750 families, 15,000 water containers, 17 water bladders, 2 water purification units, 10 WHO emergency health kits, and 20 concrete cutting saws. USAID has also committed funds to the UN, other international organizations, and NGOs. On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, business leaders from GE, UPS, Pfizer, Xerox, and Citigroup met with President Bush at the White House to announce the launch of the South Asia Earthquake Relief Fund and website. [51][52] [53][54
All you have to complain about is leaky tents? Geez.... |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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And many of us have given significant monies through a variety of charities.
Rather than accuse us of doing nothing, lets remind people of the problem and of what they can do to help, through organizations like UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, and whichever charities are your favorites.
Money will help more than indignation. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3020
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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With all that help, you'd think the children wouldn't be freezing, but they are.
If they can help little Noor, they can help these kids. Then again, Bin Laden might be in those hills, and who wants to have put boots on the ground anywhere near him, right?
Helicopters in Baghdad are just getting ripped apart. They could be doing some good airlifting these frozen families.
I am not indignant, susan, I am merely wondering why these families are still suffering. I am not accusing you of anything.
(Don't mean to spoil your fantasy!!!)
Obviously the charities, the army and the contributions aren't working. Grand gestures don't help, but actual on the ground efforts do. That's what we saw in New Orleans. You can make visits, speeches and so on and so on, but in the last analysis, no one's really doing anything that's working. I guess that does make me indignant. And do we have to choose between New Orleans and Pakistan? Why are our efforts so impotent, in both?
(I'm just asking....)
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 396
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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Tulip-
Well ask the numerous other countries as well as the UN this question. If not, learn how to fly a Chinook or Apache Helicopter, steal one from Baghdad and start airlifting kid... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3021
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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Why are you so hostile? Can you be a decent poster or do you have to go on the offensive all the time?
It's up to individuals in other countries to ask their fellow citizens why nothing is helping.
I mean, do you care?
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 398
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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Hostile?
I do care, but your post are so negative all the time I feel like jumping out of my 13th floor office window....
you are always complaining about what is not being done and never seem to enjoy the good things life has to offer as well.
Besides, I am allergic to negative vibes and have a short attention span for constant complainers...
Tulip, I want you to prove me wrong. Can you please make one positive post?  |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3022
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 3:34 pm: |
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Look in the blogs.
and, oh, I forgot, the world is such a lovely place, sun is shining, everyone enjoying themselves, everything just copascetic, right? |
MBJ
Citizen
Username: Mbj
Post Number: 99
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 4:36 pm: |
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Not copasetic...the stock market took a pop today.
Bummer. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 405
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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tulip-
the world is not perfect but it also could be alot worse!!! I pity you for ignoring all the good and beauty in the world while only dwelling on the bad and ugly....you must be fun company, remind me not to look you up... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3023
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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Okey dokey!!! |
tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 3970
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 7:55 pm: |
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Pakistan has enough money to develop nuclear weapons and to contribute to nuclear proliferation. Surely they can take care of their own. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14439
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 7:58 pm: |
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That doesn't matter. It's the responsibility of the US to do everything, everywhere. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3026
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:04 pm: |
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Including nation-building, apparently.
Now, we have some fences to mend, and this would be a good way to mend some. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14440
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 8:53 pm: |
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Let's help our own people first. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3027
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 9:31 pm: |
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Unfortunately, we are now so broke as a nation that we can't help Pakistani families and our own at the same time. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14443
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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Okay Tulip. Whatever you say. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3028
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 6:18 am: |
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The Title of this Post:
What happens when you throw money at a problem without following the money:
or:
How many leaky tents for frozen Pakistani famliies could be have been purchased with $32 mil. ? Maybe even $2 million?
(AP Photo) Byline: NICOLE LACOUR YOUNG
Report: Government Overpaid $32 Million for Hurricane Katrina Evacuation Contract
By LESLIE MILLER
Associated Press Writer
(AP) 05:56:00 AM (ET), Saturday, January 21, 2006 (WASHINGTON)
A bill for busing evacuees from New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was $32 million more than it should have been, and the government paid it without question, the Transportation Department inspector general said Friday.
Landstar Express America was given 570 specific tasks to supply enough vehicles to haul thousands of truckloads of goods and thousands of busloads of people after the hurricane struck.
The inspector general's office reviewed six of the tasks that have been paid for by the Federal Aviation Administration, which was the contracting agency.
The example of the bus service to New Orleans "underscores the need to ensure that all pending invoices are accompanied by some type of documentation that substantiates that the goods and services were provided as billed," according to the report signed by Assistant Inspector General David Dobbs.
The report said the FAA overpaid Landstar for two of those six tasks; for one, the agency paid a $59,082,000 partial payment "with no documentation showing the actual amount of services provided to that date," the report said.
What happened was this: the Federal Emergency Management Agency asked for 1,105 buses from Aug. 31 through Oct. 7 to evacuate people from New Orleans. In early September, Landstar asked for an advance of $59,082,000.
"We said, 'If this is going to be this large a task, and we have to pay our contractors, we need an advance,'" said Henry Gerkens, chief executive of Landstar System Inc., the Jacksonville, Fla., company that owns Landstar Express America.
But only about 400 buses per day were needed, and they cost much less than originally thought _ $27,081,859, or $32 million more than the FAA should have paid for that week.
FAA paid the invoice anyway.
The inspector general's staff met in mid-October with the FAA's contracting officer and to back up the invoices from Landstar for services during the week, the report said.
Several weeks later, Landstar came up with documentation showing how many buses had actually been used.
Landstar repaid the money that day, and the inspector general noted that it was the company's action that allowed the government to recover the money.
"To characterize that as an overpayment is a gross inaccuracy," Gerkens said. "The government still owes us about $200 million."
The Transportation Department issued a statement saying it will work with the inspector general "to ensure that appropriate steps are taken to further improve our ability to respond to disasters while at the same time protecting the taxpayers' interests."
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On the Net:
Transportation Department: http://www.dot.gov
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sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14444
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 7:43 am: |
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Perhaps you should be wondering how many NO families could have been helped with the wasted money. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 408
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 9:52 am: |
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OK, Tulip is right...I am jumping out the window right now...why carry on, oh dear....?
/sarcasm off
The govt is wasting money, no way? Are you kidding me?
/sarcasm NOW off...really ! |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3029
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Gentlemen,
My point is, as we waste money by the bankload in well-intentioned efforts to help our own, time and time again, a form of Marshall Plan for
the Pakistanis, who are dying of cold as we speak, might be humanitarian.
Or is it Marie Antoinette time: "let them sleep in leaky tents!!!"
Why is a plea to consider helping the frozen Pakistanis equal in your minds to
advocacy toward forgetting our own.
I don't advocate forgetting our own, but right now hundreds of trailers prepared for the people of NO are empty, probably because of some NIMBY
feelings, or some rationalization, and all this money is being wasted. Obviously, all the money and assistance from our government to Pakistan, as noted by SLK in a previous post, has also been wasted.
The real losers are ourselves, and our children and grandchildren, who not only will have inherited eons of empty treasury and a derelict nation, but also generations of hatred and anger directed toward them for what their ancestors did to the world.
Oh, but I am too negative. Excuse me? How could anyone be a Pollyanna about this?
Anyone who does not take to the airwaves, editorial pages or some form of commentary to speak out againt an administration that trammels the peoples of the world, allows them to freeze or drown without even saying anything, spying on thousands of its own people, is part of the problem, not the solution.
SLK you are an apologist, or seem to be trying to be one, for this administration. As such, although you claim to be a political independent, you take no stand. You are a flip-flopper. Just what is it you believe in, trolling on the internet?
I have nothing more to say to you, but I will continue to speak out about the stupidity and arrogant paltriness of this administration until it's gone. If you want me to stop, vote against it.
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Elgato
Citizen
Username: Elgato
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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It is not the responsibility of the US to do everything, everywhere. This is a myth that we have perpetrated to make ourselves feel more important in the world. Other industrialized countries do as much and give as much as the US for charity/disaster relief on a pro rata population/income basis.
Many of these countries also sent or offered to send aid and food to help the people of New Orleans (much of what was received was wasted by our own Government inefficiency) and these countries were as shocked as we were at the lack of speedy response and needless deaths that occurred in the richest country in the world.
As for the UN solving the worlds' problems, it does what it can with little resources. It operates on a budget that could not maintain an American city and it is surprising that it achieves what it does, particularly in the area of children.
It is up to our Government to decide whether it is willing to spend the money required to build the necessary flood control systems to protect its citizens that other countries have in place for theirs. Given the fact that $billions are now required to rebuild what we have destroyed in Iraq and our massive budget deficit, it would appear that we are in a position to help neither the Pakistanis, nor ourselves! |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 419
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:06 am: |
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Tulip-
An apologist?
I have a huge laundry list regarding Dubya. If you care to knowwhat that is, let me know. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2279
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:08 pm: |
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Tulip, dif you read the article all the way through? The money that was "wasted" was returned the same day that documentation was provided explaining the overpayment. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3047
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:16 pm: |
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My point is that we should help. Helping our people should not mean not helping others whose suffering is deep. How isolationist and selfish to do that.
If your point is that it's being handled well, why are trailers sitting empty when we are paying to house people in hotels? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2282
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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If you're talking to me, my point is that you should use good arguments to back up your assertions. I don't think we should do nothing. I don't think we're doing all we possibly could. But we're doing something, which is more than most. We are not nannies to the world.
I agree with a previous poster. If Pakistan has the funds to build nukes, they should be able to help their own people. Should we help? Absolutely. And we are. But to put forth an incorrect statement only undmines your credibility. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2283
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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And the article you posted said nothing aout trailers sitting empty. It talked about overpaying for buses. Perhaps you can find an article about the empty trailers that I might agree with. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3049
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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Who the heck is asking you to be a nanny to the world? I just think we should HELP. HELP would take less than jumping into a Iraq in an effort to build nations would, and did.
We aren't helping, is my point.
These people are still freezing, while you debate my credibility!!!!
Rastro: This is directed to you. If you have not heard about the empty trailers, I feel sorry for you. You have been unaware of things everyone else is aware of, and I sure as heck am not going to do your research for you.
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3050
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Rastro:
The Governor just announced on Thursday that there are many empty trailers. Look it up. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 438
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:10 pm: |
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Tulip-
BY some winter coats and a cord of wood or two if you are so concerned.... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3069
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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Scrotis:
Buy some pants. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 445
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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I just bought 8 pair of pants lst weekend. The Gap in Westfield was having a mad sale, thank you! Got some bleach on one pair and my wife is going to flip....gotta fine me a blue marker.... |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 551
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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Hey, if any of you know where there are empty trailers please let me know. I have a bunch of former union workers down here who just drove their company overseas and could use a bunch of them. Apparently, the banks actually hold you to your word when you sign mortgage papers. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 489
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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Southerner, please don't mention trailers....it makes me want to post more pics from the South! 
hey, they wouldn't be freezing if we could hurry up with this GLOBAL WARMING!!! |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1467
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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News reports - if you're inclined to believe those dastardly media outlets - suggest the surplus of trailers is a result of, you guessed it, an attitude of NIMBYism when it comes to where the trailers will be located. Imagine that!?!? And in the South, no less. |
Threeringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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It would wrong for any US tax dollars to be giv-
en to Pakistan. Of course, privately funded rel-
ief efforts would not be a problem. On 9-11-01,
these people danced in the streets (or goat paths
or whatever they dance in over there). The plight
of current or potential Jihadis with frostbitten
toes or trigger fingers is not going to keep me
awake at night. We need to give serious attention
to the words of George W. (No, not that George W.) I'm talking about George Washington and his
(once) famous Farewell Address. It should be read
at least once a year by politicians and pundits
alike. It is past time to admit that nation-
building is a failure. We can no more bring demo-
cracy to the Middle East than we can bring it to
the Monkey House at the Bronx Zoo. I recall read-
ing something by Chalmers Johnson about the numb-
er of countries with US miltary bases. I don't
recall the exact number, but I think it was over
100. Too much! Let's start to bring the troops
home and worry about the security of our borders.
First Iraq, then Germany, Japan, Korea, Kosovo,
etc. We could help pay for this by terminating
ALL economic and military assistance to ALL countries. It would be worthwhile to continue
to hunt for Bin Laden. Though if we caught him,
I wouldn't want to put him on trial. Better to
sew him into the skins of freshly slaughtered
pigs and bury him alive. Naturally, we would
then send the video to Al Jazeera.
Of course, all of the above is just a pipe dream
and will never happen as long as the duopoly in
Mordor on the Potomac has anything to say about
it.
Cheers |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 95
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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Until we have our own house in order,I see nothing wrong with a isolationist policy.The attitude that if we dont do it,no-one will is a load of crap.How will we ever know until we stop worrying about every other nations woes and concentrate on our own.Some might say we belong to the community of man,but this seems like a one way street weve been on too long.Close the borders,crack down on immigration,take care of our own.These should be our priorities rather than getting all weepy over the mis-fortune of other nations,which by the way,has been going on,and will in all likely probability,continue for a very long time. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3080
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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Yup, the usual intellectual brilliance. Stunning!
Oh, excuse me, was I condescending? So sorry!! |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 457
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Tulip-
Yep, and what escuse do you have for your own lack of it (intellectual brilliance, that is)? |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3081
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 4:34 pm: |
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Well, Scrotis, with an undergraduate degree from Drew and two graduate degrees from Columbia University, ten years of college teaching and six years as a practioner in the field of education, I think I've done OK for myself.
You? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 556
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 5:57 pm: |
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tulip,
You're a college teacher. How surprising. The last bastion of liberalism. At least you work in your own little coccoon. Thankfully, the rest of the country doesn't operate in such a closed minded atomsphere. I'm sure you love giving your neo-con students the shaft. I mean, if they support GWB they can't be very bright can they. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 462
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 6:01 pm: |
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I have a double BA in Philosophy/English with some Graduate studies. I jumped into corporate america right out of college and never looked back. But I am a voracious reader and belive I have learned more out of college then in. I "regurgitated" in college if I remember correctly...
Congratulations...but education does not equal intelligence or wisdom only that you educated yourself.
I know many educated people that are dunces. Some of the smartest people I know never finished high school....
It is amazing to me with so much education under your belt that you reduce your mental capacity to a political knee jerk hack.
What a waste...
oh, please strike this "mindless post" from the record.... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3082
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 6:50 pm: |
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southerner: I am not now a college teacher. I work in education, though.
scrotis, You will never overcome your rage, will you? You must have suffered a terrible insult to have responded so rudely to me almost immediately.
If you agree with the mindless, isolationist, insulting and xenophobic positions of "threering...:" and "george H" you are mindless, and heartless.
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tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 3976
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 7:01 pm: |
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Not really Tulip. I find it very offputting when somebody trots out their pedigree in education.
I have known more than a few fine people who never had any college education. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3083
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 7:16 pm: |
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I've had quite enough of your behavior lessons. I rather dislike people who take to the airwaves to criticize and insult others because they don't like their point of view, or their ethnicity or nationality.
We should help the Pakistanis.
That's my view.
So call me a slug if you want to.
It shows how you think.
Your fellow Maplewoodians, threering...whatever and george H (above) seem to represent your narrow-minded, insular, skulking self-centered views.
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Threeringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 8:15 pm: |
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Tulip,
the mindless, isolationist, insulting and xenophobic positions of "threering...:"
I don't think I am mindless, although I admit I don't have 3 college degrees. You call me an isolationist like its a bad thing. May I ask why?
I might even call myself a conservative (small c)
since I would like to conserve American blood and
treasure. I don't think I insulted anyone, but if
you feel insulted, I apologize. Xenophobic? I
ain't afraid of no Xeno.
Have you read the Farewell Address? You can find
it online in many places. I think the American
people have historically been "isolationist", but
unfortunately, our elected leaders of the past
8 or 9 decades have mostly been wooly-minded
Wilsonian internationalists who, on balance,
have done more harm than good. A book that
really influenced my thinking on this is here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0964044765/qid=1137977653/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102 -2220173-1714509?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 I recommend it highly.
I have 2 questions for you:
1-How many countries should have permanent US
military bases (excluding Marines at embassies, etc.) Please be specific.
2-How many countries should receive economic and
military aid from the US? In what amounts? Again,
please be specific.
We have given billions to Egypt over the years,
and yet, several years ago the state-run TV net-
work produced a mini-series on the Protocols of
the Elders of Zion. As a citizen and taxpayer, I
object to my country helping to subsidize such
things.
Cheers
PS Sorry I can't seem to figure out make the
margins of these postings more balanced.
Maybe I shoulda gone to college.............
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3085
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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Yeah, you should try it.
Look. The kids in Pakistan are freezing. Can you get that? I don't like it.
It's too late to discuss foreign policy goals with you right now.
Sorry.
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george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 97
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 9:46 pm: |
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I am amazed at the energy that is wasted with all the various posturing.Either get off your ••• and do something concrete,or stop getting all put out at every situation around the world that tugs on those heartstrings and makes you so sad.Lets not forget that one of the freedoms we enjoy is free expression of thoughts.Sorry if some of mine offend your liberal positions but after all,theyre just opinions and certainly nothing I have read here is going to cause me to lose any sleep.America,what a great country! |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 465
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:05 am: |
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Oh Great "Open-minded" Tulip (except for anything Republican of course)-
Me outraged? Sorry...and please stop flattering yourself.
It seems I am not the only tired of your condescending and judgemental behavior.
Like I said, if you are so put off by us Maplewoodians/Sout Organians then start your own board out in the sticks where you dwell...
And, as I told you countless times already, if you don't like the leaking tents then do someting about it. Send money, send some tents, make some tents, start a revolution......
Just stop whining, bitching, mumming and complaining for once....
What do you expect people to say about leaky tents? HEY, THAT's GREAT!!!!
But is that all you can come up with in this world-wide effort to help these people? The sad thing is all this information is at your fingertips, what are you lazy, or too good to look?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_earthquake
Nope, it seems to me you are trying to blame the Republicans again? They are the blame for everything in you small little close-minded world. Don't Democrats work in govt. any more?
There is alot more of "your kind" then mind on these boards Tulip-the funny things no one ever comes to defend you? Have you ever thought why?
I would send your degrees back to the schools you attended-you got gyped....
Ever since my "Happy New Year" thread I knew your were a negative creep.... |
Threeringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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Tulip,
Your said in your last post:
The kids in Pakistan are freezing. Can you get that? I don't like it.
What I get is this: that I posted my opinion
on relief efforts for the Pakistan earthquake.
Admittedly, I did so in a non-PC, non-happy-
clappy-multi-culti fashion, but I did not call
you names. You came back with:
mindless, isolationist, insulting and xenophobic
and then you labelled me as having:
narrow-minded, insular, skulking self-centered views. But you also said:
I rather dislike people who take to the airwaves to criticize and insult others because they don't like their point of view...
I accept the isolationist tag, and I think it has
a respectable pedigree in American history, but
lately, it has been a minority viewpoint. You
and I would probably agree that America should
not be the world's policeman. I just take it a
step further and say that America should not be
the world's supplier of tents, etc. Private
charity is a different matter.
You seem to have no interest in hearing a view
that conflicts with your settled opinions.
Does that make you close-minded or mindless?
Cheers
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 472
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 1:17 pm: |
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Bravo Threeringale, Bravo!
Tulip is ok with being the world's policeman as long as a Republican isn't doing it.
Remember, the left and right recently did a flip on isolationism. Historically, the right wanted to stick to our shores while the left wanted to save the world. Not no more. Now it is the right taking the swim and the left saying no way....it is all political...
Besides, she'll bitch about 2 wars that liberated millions of people (whether directly or consequentially) but she'll complain about some leaky tents... |
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