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Haight-Strawbury
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6690
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | 
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Nothing wrong with being rich. |
Wendyn
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Username: Wendyn
Post Number: 2660
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 3:51 pm: |
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I am a smart, aggressive, alpha woman and a tree-hugging liberal. I hate Hillary Clinton. I hate her because she didn't divorce a guy who cheated on her for years because of political reasons. I hate that she changes her views significantly depending on what audience she is addressing.
I respect what she tried to do with health care. I respect her education, intelligence, and ambition. I respect a lot of her views, when she sticks to them. But I'd have a hard time voting for her.
For that matter I haven't seen a lot of Democrats that stick to their views, so I think I'm going to have a hard time voting in the next presidential election.
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bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 42
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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The democrats don't fight hard enough; they let the Republicans frame the debate and are always on the defensive. They should have some stones and filibuster Alito. Who cares if they don't have the votes and it will not ultimately succeed. Do it for political reasons. Keep pounding the drums that this guy is too far to the right and always sides with the government or the large corporation over the individual. Despite all the handwringing about abortion, the majority of Americans believe a woman should be able to choose. Don't concede the issue to a vocal and organized minority. The dems should use that to their favor and not go quietly into the night on Alito. Let the Republicans talk about the nuclear option, and Dems can pound the fact that one party rule is not good for the country and leads to corruption.
It's just playing politics some will complain. Well, of course it is, and it's something the Republicans do much better and the Dems better realize it and catch up.
The war on terror is the big issue for 2006 according to Rove and Bush is out there saying he's doing everything he can to protect us. I think it's time to hold up senate business again and point out that the Republican controlled Congress is still stonewalling the investigation into pre-war intelligence. Let's see that raw intelligence that was then filtered by the administration. The group that basically said if you vote for Kerry you will die couldn't even handle Katrina. The White House is stalling that investigation and not allowing access to its emails and communications during the crisis, frustrating even Republican senators. Start hammering that.
So Cheney is going around the country saying the warrantless wiretapping has "saved thousands of American lives." The dems should call that what it is, a lie, and demand to see the evidence, agreeing to review it in a bipartisan secret session. Expose the lies, don't sit there and let them go by unopposed. |
sportsnut
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Username: Sportsnut
Post Number: 2286
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 4:43 pm: |
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"Do it for political reasons."
Count me as one of the many people who think that the democrats do all their posturing purely for political reasons and have very little substance to back it up.
American politics are embarrassing. On the one hand we have pissy, whiny democrats like Chuckie Schummer, B. Boxer, T. Kennedy and on the other side we have a group who have can't seem to turn the other cheek when presented with the opportunity to corrupt themselves. I fear the 2008 election will again come down to the lesser of two evils. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2935
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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Yes, and the lesser of two evils is still.....evil. Yuck, what a Hobson's choice. |
joeltfk
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Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 356
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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I agree with Eats, Shoots. Though none of them are electable, Gore and Hillary would be excellent Presidents. Kerry probably pretty good. All are moral, ethical, smart people. As opposed to our current Moron-In-Chief and his coven of lying idealogues.
From what I sense, it's Warner, Bayh, Edwards, Obama for Veep. Hillary will be 2008's Howard Dean.
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Haight-Strawbury
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6691
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 585
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 6:50 pm: |
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Wendy and Betty,
Your two just made my A list. I've been looking long and hard on this board for true liberals who can take the blinders off and see what's wrong. While I'm sure we disagree on most political topics I like your frankness and reality based thought. I just can't stand politicians who have no back bone or core. Why would the Dems scream and yell about Alito and then back down? They've been talking about using the filibuster for a long time and yet they never pull it out. I guarantee the Repubs would pull the "nuclear" option out real fast. I know the Repubs waffled on many issues during the Clinton years. I guess it's just part of being the minority. You make threats followed by a wink, wink. I hope there are not very many liberals like you two or else us conservatives might actually be challenged one day soon. |
Lydia
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Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1614
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 7:29 pm: |
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Wendyn:
Quote:I hate Hillary Clinton. I hate her because she didn't divorce a guy who cheated on her for years because of political reasons. I hate that she changes her views significantly depending on what audience she is addressing.
I disagree with you 100%. Who knows what another couples' marriage is based on? Who's to judge what requires a divorce between a couple that we aren't a part of?
(Another Alpha, aggressive, tree-hugging feminist's opinion.)
I don't think Ms. Clinton changes her course depending on public opinion, while I admire much or her politics, I'm still not happy she supports the war in Iraq.
Love her or hate her, Hillary says what she thinks and doesn't back down. In general, she is not a wishy-washy woman or politician.
I think Hillary's biggest hurdle to overcome is that she's "HILLARY". Much of being Hillary is getting past the tsk-tsking about her personal life and judging her by double standards that powerful men don't have to answer to.
Hillary never was or will be a cookie-baking Mom, she told us that from the beginning.
I've had my ups and downs with Hillary, but I still think she's aces.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2936
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 8:26 pm: |
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Whoa Joel: Please do not misstate my position. I do not think Hillary or Al would make fine presidents and I did not vote for Kerry and never will (voted undercard only). I do think the lesser of two evils is still evil.
I foresee Warner making a huge run if he wants it, but not sure he will stand up to the national campaign meat-grinder. Barbour is the hidden secret in the GOP, McCain the early populist out of the gate. |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2259
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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I keep trying to like Hillary enough to vote for her. I'm a Democrat, I'm pro-choice, I'm her age. I should want to vote for her. I do think she's had a tough row to hoe politically, in part because she's a woman. I don't think she's the candidate the Democrats need to win outside of Metro NYC and similar.
I agree with what Bettyd says, above.
Warner? John Warner? Jeez louise... |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4993
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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No, not John Warner.
The Democrat is Mark Warner, who just finished his term as governor of Virginia.
But, it's their own fault for trying to confuse us. |
joeltfk
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Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 357
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Eats, I stand corrected. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 4263
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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Republicans are spending too much time talking up Hillary. Mind your own business and let us Dems decide who the nominee's going to be. |
Threeringale
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Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:29 am: |
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So, the consensus seems to be Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she's a war-mongering hypocrite?
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jet
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Username: Jet
Post Number: 1010
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 3:06 pm: |
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Mitt Romney will be the next POTUS. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2942
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:12 pm: |
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I think Barbour has a better shot than Romney. Romeny tells a good story--young, handsome, rich scion of political power class, successful businessman, radical conservative governor in the most liberal state. But he is a Mormon, and I wonder how far the GOP base and religious right will follow him. Sorry, but that is reality. He also comes across as severe or stentorian at times.
Barbour is well-connected with the GOP power center (he was GOP National Chair), he is a fund-raising machine, and his performance after Katrina was exemplary compared to Bush and Nagin. He is southern to the core, not as photogenic as Romney, but very smooth at the lectern. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 591
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:34 pm: |
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Barbour isn't even in the discussion and neither is Romney. I think some of you just throw out names without even any consideration. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3121
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:38 pm: |
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Southerner: I'd throw out your name, better yet, I'd throw it up, if I were you. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 594
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:43 pm: |
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Don't be jealous because the last 3 Presidents and 4 of the last 5 have been southern. And something tells me the next one will be as well (*I won't count McCain if he wins, I promise). |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3123
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:46 pm: |
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