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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5137
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 7:28 pm: | 
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-obama07.html
So much for free thinking -- if that's what Hillary really meant by her 'plantation' comment -- on the side of the Democrats.
Obama obviously got the word that if he wanted to continue being a rising star like all the other black politicians that have made it as presidential nominees of the Democratic Party  , he better listen to his masters and cut any bipartisan and non-political shenanigans geared towards reform. The fact that his letter came from Reid's office is just priceless. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4324
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:28 pm: |
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I thought you republicans were the ones with all the big ideas, and yet you keep rehashing the "plantation" non-controversy? Get a life. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3163
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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tom, MOL is cjc's life. |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 77
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:02 am: |
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Whatever you might think of the plantation metaphor, it has had a fairly long life in Washington. For some earlier plantation comments, see this link.
An excerpt:
...an October 20, 1994, Washington Post article reported on one such comment made by Gingrich:
"I clearly fascinate them," Gingrich said of the Democrats. "I'm much more intense, much more persistent, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I'm actually willing to lead the slave rebellion."
The following year, Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. (R-FL) called Democrats "overseers of the last plantation in America," as the Philadelphia Inquirer reported on February 16, 1995:
Calling Democrats the "overseers of the last plantation in America," Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. yesterday rebuked Democratic colleagues who accused the GOP of cruelty toward children in its welfare legislation. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1484
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:59 am: |
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The Republican mind-set: the next best thing to Simon Legree. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5142
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:45 am: |
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Really?! These posts are all quite stirring rebuttals to my charge.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3004
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
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Probably because your charge is not all that stirring in the first place. A Senator plays politics--oh, the horror, the horror! And Republicans don't hand out talking points daily, sing from the same hymnal, and take retribution on those who step off the line? Right, and they did not all line up to whack McCain when he dared to run against the party-boss annointed W.
Barack plays politics. Man bites dog. Boo hoo hoo. Your weak attempt at partisan bluster fails to impress. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5143
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:23 am: |
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Barack was the one playing politics here? Barack
"plays" in Reid's office? You're saying that's the sum total of what's going on here.
And they "all" lined up to whack McCain in 2000?
.......ESL.....you're usually much brighter than that. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 464
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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Repubs are scared of Obama. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1489
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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Republicans want to rebuff or punish anyone who does not adhere to their "party line."
Makes you think of 1950's Communists in Europe, except that in the Republicans' case, the Politburo is Karl Rove and company. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5145
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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Whereas we've just seen a fine display of diversity here between Reid and Obama. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10578
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:18 am: |
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Barack was named the point man for the Democrats efforts on reform after the recent lobbying scandals. As such he has an obligation to toe the party line.
McCain blasted him as basically partisan and, I think, more importantly obstructionist. Susan Collins heads the committee in the Senate working on this effort. Joe Lieberman is a senior member as is McCain. McCain was doing the talking head circuit last night pushing a bi-partisan approach and kind of gloating over the letter he sent Barack.
The whole thing can be spun about five ways from Sunday. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 248
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Repubs are not scared of Barak Obama...Outside of the far left, nobody really knows much about him. What was up with him coming and campaigning for Ferrer anyway? Heckuva lotta good it did... |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 78
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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McCain will never get the party's nod. He's too unpredictable and isn't easily categorized. On some issues, he's very far to the right, on others he isn't. He supported Kerry against the Swift-Boaters, but Bush in the election. OTOH, did anyone, Dem or Rep, believe that support for Bush in '04?
Like Dole or Kennedy, he makes a good senator: independent, strong-willed, respectful (usually) of the institution. And like both of them, he shows how hard it is to get elected president from that body.
Here's some decent commentary on McCain as hero. |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 79
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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Grrrrrrrr,
Nobody outside the "Far left" knows Obama?
Wasn't he just elected senator from the most populous mid-western state in the country?
Isn't he fairly middle of the road?
In fact, that's just his appeal: a moderate, black Democrat. No "black" accent, obvious middle- to upper-class bearing, well educated, well spoken, good looking.
Whatever your politics, Obama is clearly star material. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 249
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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Yea, Chicago, the "middle of the road"...What you're saying is he's star material because he's a well-spoken AA? nicely put...lol! Good luck with that one. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 250
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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Chicago, home of the Dailey (sp?) voting machine |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1494
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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As opposed to Florida and the Supreme Court, second homes of the Bush election machine? |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5149
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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We closed down our offices in Florida and the Supreme Court. All we needed was a sub-station in OH to win in 2004. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 251
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Innis, That's the kind of snide remark that I'M supposed to make! Quit it! LOL! How's things up in VT? Any snow to speak of in Southern Vt? }} |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1496
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
It's brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! up here now. I'm stokin' wood in the fireplace and in the potbelly stove off the kitchen to keep the atmosphere. Watching deer feed in the woods from safe indoors. It's supposed to go down to 12 F tonight. So the car has to go in the garage.
There was enough snow to X-C at Mt Prospect this morning at 7 AM. I'd like about another two feet, which we may get next week, so I'll have to cut short the office work week and get back up here. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1497
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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CJC, thanks for acknowledging the inherent corruption of the Republican side of the 2000 and 2004 elections.
It's getting like elections in Paraguay in the 1960's , wouldn't you say?
Why even bother having more than one party?
A banana republic with respect for itself and no respect for the rights of citizens ought to be able to outlaw any party it wants to. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 252
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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Good for you! We may be up there for a long President's Day weekend...Wife has in-law connections at the Equinox. We're trying to get fit in there somehow. My skiing days are temporarily over until my son is a little older, but he did do a 1/2 day kiddie lesson at Bromley last February when he was 3, and loved it! My mother-in-law used to have an Olds 98 diesel, that she used to have to keep hooked up to an engine block heater on nights like that! |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5152
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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We had a station set up in OH, but we didn't have to use it as the black vote came through for us to the tune of 16%. What we underestimated was just how worthless Kerry was as a candidate despite having the media on his side as Bush was coming out of the Clinton Recession.
There really is only one party today that is putting any ideas out there, made easier because of Democratic ineptitude. Why outlaw something that's ineffective and makes for great reading?
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 641
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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I love the Democratic Party. They have enabled us conservatives. Thankfully, Clinton waxed Bush 41 which created all this. I knew a good ole southern boy from Arkansas would do something constructive in his eight years. And the icing is his wife is doing the same thing without even being President.
You Dems better be ready to do some massive busing in November. The conservatives will be out in force so you better start planning your urban bus logistics early this year. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1498
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Did you ever think about starting your 4 year old son on cross-country skis to get him acclimated? On most easy terrain, if he loses his balance, he just needs to fall over or sit down on his skis, and he stops moving. Cross-country bindings will give him more freedom of movement, which often helps children of that age to adapt to skiing more quickly.
I tried it with great success when my daughter was young, and she is a very confident skier and "snow athlete" now.
Just a thought. |
Grrrrrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 256
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 8:23 am: |
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Thanks Innis, we'll definitely try that...but if he's anything like his old man, he's gonna get bored with it, because XC does not fulfill that "need for speed".
Back on point...Dems are the ones who invented all this corruption, Repubs just seem to be perfecting it. @ prime examples would be voting irregularities, and wiretapping without warrants. I think JFK was the first President to authorize illegal wiretaps...That's why these political "debates" are so silly. Whatever one person accuses the other of doing, they probably have done already themselves at some point. |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 82
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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Dems are the ones who invented all this corruption
Don't tell Cicero. |
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