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     tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3145 Registered: 3-2004 |
While a network "journalist" states that this is an "end of an era," we who were there in spirit, mind and/or body know that the dream is still alive, and this is only the beginning. She had the grace and intellect of Eleanor Roosevelt, the humility of Rosa Parks, and the charm and style of Judith Jamison. May she always be a hero in our minds and hearts. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2006 |
The longshoreman philosopher Eric Hoffer is sometimes credited with saying that every great cause starts as a movement, turns into a business and degenerates into a racket. This is an accurate description of the trajectory of the American civil rights movement over the last 40 years. The Kings should rename their family business I-have-a-scheme, Inc. Cheers PS Eleanor Roosevelt....!? She almost makes Hillary Clinton look good. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1987 Registered: 5-2001 |
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| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1523 Registered: 3-2004  |
i agree with his sentiment but not in regards to mrs. king. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2006 |
Wendy, I live in Maplewood, a town that celebrates diversity, sometimes even diversity of opinion. The King family imposes fees for access to some speeches and audio/video recordings which some people find to be burdensome: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/14/AR2006011400980. html They have the right to do this, as I have the right to criticize them for it. Cheers | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1990 Registered: 5-2001 |
As I have the right to criticize you for your outrageous and reactionary generalizations. Wendy Lauter, resident of Maplewood too. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 634 Registered: 2-2004 |
I love you folks who always must claim to live in a town that "celebrates diversity". What does that mean and how is it different from any other town? Maplewood is a fine town but some of your arms must be getting tired from patting yourselves on the back for self proclaimed adulation. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1529 Registered: 3-2004 |
especiallly since racism is rampant in this town. i cant count how many times someone has made a racially tinged comment about the hilton ave area. i hear it all the time. | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2006 |
Southerner, I was being facetious when I used the "celebrates diversity" line. I'm not exactly sure what it means. As near as I can tell, it is some sort of verbal talisman that people use to feel good about themselves and ward off evil spirits. I'm not going to drink that koolaid. Cheers | ||
| Threeringale Citizen Username: Threeringale Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2006 |
Wendy, On reflection, I think you are right about my outrageous and reactionary generalizations about Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton and I hereby retract them. Cheers  | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1531 Registered: 3-2004 |
she looks like chucky! | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3113 Registered: 11-2001  |
Does she have a tongue that spits venom?  | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 1532 Registered: 3-2004 |
yes, except when she talks about iraq. then she spits lukewarm water until the polls tell her to spit venom. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 635 Registered: 2-2004 |
three, Okay, I hear you. I've lived all over and in Maplewood for 5 years. I have enjoyed living in all places and found good and bad in all. Maplewood was no different than any where else. The rich live near the rich and the poor live near the poor. And as always there were problems. However, I must point out, in MWood, I heard more sirens and saw more police chases than anywhere else I have ever lived. But, even with that it's a great town for where it is located. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14514 Registered: 10-2001  |
Southerner, Maplewood is the best place to live in the whole country. And if we're constantly patting ourselves on the back it's because we deserve it. | ||
| Ben Citizen Username: Ros Post Number: 284 Registered: 5-2001 |
Leaving politics aside, there must be something about this community that attracts ex-residents to continue to post on this board! | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 4469 Registered: 5-2001  |
Nonetheless... There was an article in the paper the other day (Martin Luther King day, actually) that described how the MLKCenter is in a shambles monetarily speaking. As I recall, it was never set up as a public entity; it was always kept private among the King kids, and it looks as if the Center may not survive. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3154 Registered: 3-2004 |
If you want to know what it felt like to listen to Martin Luther King, listen to his daughter. There's a danger when we become a thing-oriented society and not a people-oriented society. She captures both her mother and her father. I am glad she's here to remind us. She says the militarism, the wars, the violence...it's not working. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3155 Registered: 3-2004 |
 Speaking at a Civil Rights march, 1968. 1927-2006 | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1480 Registered: 3-2004 |
Bernice King is a thundering, thoughtful, and forceful preacher. What a eulogy! | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5139 Registered: 8-2003 |
The political opportunism taking place at a church that has embraced faith-based initiatives and is against gay marriage and claims MLK's daughter amongst it's clerical staff on the part of Democrats was breathtaking. Kennedy speaks -- or tries to -- then Carter makes references about Bush's wiretaps.  Who wiretapped Martin Luther King and what party was he from? Katrina shows us we're not all equal, huh Jimmah? Who ran and is still running New Orleans? | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3157 Registered: 3-2004 |
CJC: J EDGAR HOOVER WIRETAPPED MLK. He was a bully, just like many today. Coretta Scott King was a political woman. It's entirely appropriate for political themes and positions to be presented at her memorial. What's not appropriate is for someone who has no political credentials at all to try to make a statement about funeral etiquette for fallen civil rights leaders. Save your preaching. You were never there. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2006 |
And you are not entitled to an opinion. jd | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 1482 Registered: 2-2005  |
For every Coretta Scott King, there is, unfortunately, a Joseph Lowery... | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3158 Registered: 3-2004 |
You are entitled to your opinion. It's ludicrous for those of you who are uninterested in racial diversity, human freedom and democracy to be preaching about who should talk and who shouldn't and what they should say at a funeral for a person you have no possible knowledge of, nor connection to. That's what your problem is. You are feeling out of touch. Finally, you see who you are. | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 1483 Registered: 2-2005 |
OK. I'm sure the spirit of CS King was properly memorialized by Reverend Lowery - who, by the way, has done nothing to advance the civil rights cause since the day he was no longer able to ride MLK's coattails - as Lady King will now be linked with that insipid WMD comment. No race has a monopoly on idiocy. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3160 Registered: 3-2004 |
No, she will be connected to the struggle for freedom, for equality, for fairness, justice, and most of all, for peace, and the right for people to protest non-violently, and still be patriots. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5140 Registered: 8-2003 |
I'm not entitled to an opinion, just as you are entitled to the earnings of others. Nice work. Back to the thread..... Tulip -- and just WHO did J. Edgar Hoover funnel the information gleaned from such domestic wiretaps to in the WH? Without any legal or political repercussions I might add, even at the funeral of the Coretta King? It was classless, but not at all surprising from the Religious Left and it's admirers. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3161 Registered: 3-2004 |
I said, you are entitled to your opinion. What makes you think I take the earnings of others? What earnings do you take? | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3162 Registered: 3-2004 |
Anyway, on C-Span, the Reverend Bernice King is going to give the Eulogy again, in a few minutes, if anyone is interested. | ||
| tulip Citizen Username: Braveheart Post Number: 3164 Registered: 3-2004 |
cjc: This is a love-fest. Don't interrupt with your hate speech. Enjoy Malcolm X's daughter, right now. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10575 Registered: 5-2001 |
Cjc, basically it is irrelevant who received the wiretap information, unless, like you, partisanship is everything. It is an example of why Congress has been limiting Presidential power. | ||
| Eats Shoots & Leaves Citizen Username: Mfpark Post Number: 3005 Registered: 9-2001  |
What else did Bush expect? What else do you Repubs expect? She was a fighter for the poor, the weak, the oppressed. Her life was dedicated to causes diametrically opposed to what the current GOP stands for. She was overtly partisan and political. A celebration of her life is by necessity a celebration of fighting against those she fought, and W is front and center in the sightlines. You may not like it, you certainly are free to disagree with it, but this was a celebration of her life, and that was her life, more than almost any other person in America of her generation. Frankly, I think it was a bit cynical for W to be there in the first place, since it is hard to see him celebrating her life when she so stridently disagreed with his politics. But her life as a symbol transcends politics at least to the point where he HAD to be there, or else risk snubbing the Black vote even worse than he did by ignoring the NAACP for so many years (again, with good reason, because they also disagreed with him so extremely). I think it is amazing that he was even welcomed at the ceremony and treated as politely as he was. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1488 Registered: 8-2004  |
Thanks Kanye, I keep forgetting , George Bush hates poor people and black people. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1485 Registered: 3-2004 |
Quoting CJC above: "Tulip -- and just WHO did J. Edgar Hoover funnel the information gleaned from such domestic wiretaps to in the WH? Without any legal or political repercussions I might add, even at the funeral of the Coretta King?" I'm not sure what the syntax of the above really means, but I get the drift... There is rich factual reporting about J. Edgar Hoover's manic spying on public figures to collect information to shore up and ensure his own position and power base. What Hoover collected, he held onto with a vice-like grip, and, if he divulged what he knew, it was to further his own political ends and cause political embarrassment to someone else. Consensus is that he used a lot of the information he gathered to protect his personal life (he was a homosexual in a live-in relationship with a man) from any assaults by newspapers, politicians, or the head of the state. If he gave info to a Republican president or a Democratic one, it was for self-serving ends. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1486 Registered: 3-2004 |
And I liked the barbs tossed and verbal arrows shot at GW Bush for one, simple reason: This was the rare occasion when he was with an audience of thousands of people who had not been carefully selected and screened beforehand by his handlers, and the one place since he was elected, where he did not control the script. Amen. Amen. Amen. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5144 Registered: 8-2003 |
And LBJ was horrified to receive it as he was one of the first champions of black empowerment. The NSA issue is domestic spying. The King funeral had the class. The sky is green. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 10576 Registered: 5-2001 |
Cjc, anyway you spin it, intercepting phone calls made or received in the US for inteligence purposes is domestic spying. If it is justified or not or legal or not are open questions. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1489 Registered: 8-2004 |
Just like flights from NY to Paris are domestic flights. | ||
| Innisowen Citizen Username: Innisowen Post Number: 1487 Registered: 3-2004 |
CJC, you're right on all points, except that the sky really isn't green, unless you've been in Northern Canada or Alaska on a 20 below day, when the sky takes on a light green tint. I guess the headstart programs and the war on poverty must have been started by Nixon, given your ironic assessment of LBJ. |
