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ina
Citizen
Username: Ina
Post Number: 307
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 6:17 pm: | 
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From yahoo.com:
LOS ANGELES - Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Thursday he was blindsided by President Bush's announcement of new details on a purported 2002 hijacking plot aimed at a downtown skyscraper, and described communication with the White House as "nonexistent." "I'm amazed that the president would make this (announcement) on national TV and not inform us of these details through the appropriate channels," the mayor told The Associated Press. "I don't expect a call from the president — but somebody."
Could the Bush admin possibly have fabricated such a threat? They would never do that, right?
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 945
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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the Liberty Tower-- |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1499
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 12:39 am: |
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It's the Library Tower.
Interesting that the Pres would use his "speechifying" time for both platitudes about the National Guard (which continues to be underfunded, no matter what the pres blathers on about) and to spend 10 minutes talking about a terrorist plot that didn't take place in October 2001.
D'ya think he'll tell us about the Battle for the Alamo in his next week's speech? |
Haight-Strawbury
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6749
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 12:44 am: |
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libs are dumb. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10610
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 4:51 am: |
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The only really interesting part of his revelation was that the hijackers were going to use shoe bombs to break into the cockpit. I wonder if the plot was discovered before or after Richard Reed's little expedition from Paris?
Also, from what I have seen and read it is unclear how far along this plot had gone.
I have to wonder why Bush decided to bring this up at this time. Apparently some sketchy information on this had been released in the past. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1501
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:21 am: |
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Haight Strawbury:
You seem to have the same strained, overused, and limited vocabulary and thought processes (probably resulting from lack of effort in school and life) that the fellow now occupying the White House has.
Congratulations on the way you reflect the educational system you must have sneaked through. |
Haight-Strawbury
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6750
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:32 am: |
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Wow, being compared to a POTUS. Appreciated. I mean here I was about to compare you to the guy washing dishes at the local diner.  |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1502
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:38 am: |
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The POTUS I compared you to is not someone whose abilities or skills I respect. He's a bought man, who slips through life on the name and connections of his forebears.
You would much better be compared to a dishwasher (and I mean the electrical one that you may or may not have in your kitchen). |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 650
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 9:10 am: |
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Inni,
Watching you verbally spar with Straw is like watching tulip spar with anyone. |
Guy
Supporter
Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1502
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 9:13 am: |
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George W Bosch.
http://www.boschappliances.com/ |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10617
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Straw makes Alg do the dishes by hand.  |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1503
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
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Southerner:
Quaint hearing from you. There is no verbal sparring with Straw, because, with Straw, there is "no there, there."
Nice to know that you take the time to read posts, however.
Have a nice coup de soleil. |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 144
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Straw,
how does the Mayor of LA not being informed of an attack on his City correlate to "Libs are dumb".
Do you really think he shouldn't have known this before the country? |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2518
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 1:08 pm: |
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/al-qaeda-has-good-friend-in-white.htm l |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5166
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 1:18 pm: |
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Why difference would it have made to inform a mayor about an foiled attack that preceded his tenure there?
Perhaps Villagairosa just learned that LA is on Al Qada's target list.
Actually, I read the mayor's office was given a heads-up that the speech would be addressing the plot, but was not given the specifics. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8589
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 1:20 pm: |
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Of course it's a fabrication. As were WMD. |
Haight-Strawbury
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6751
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 1:50 pm: |
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Libs are dumb (Not you Dave  ) |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 145
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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ok so you have no answer to my question. typical
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Haight-Strawbury
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6752
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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Is that supposed to be insulting? It's not..
THIS IS INSULTING.
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3179
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Southerner: Innisowen spars much better than I do. I am sure he's smarter. Pay attention. Also, you may want to listen to Madden II, Nohero, anon, Bob K, Paul Surovell, A. del Torres, all kinds of smart, perceptive people who can string real thoughts together on this board.
Unfortunately, I agree with you for once on another thread. I think Bush will come through all this unfazed and uninjured, wondering what hit him, once again.
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Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 146
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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not insulting - just to counter your silly "libs are moron" statements.
Now seriously - do you really think the Mayor of LA shouldn't have been informed sooner of a thwarted attack on his city? This happened in 2002!!! |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12452
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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Trolls are morons.
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Haight-Strawbury
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6753
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 7:15 pm: |
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Bad News for Kramer..
Mayor now says he "was" informed.. He has backed down from original statement...
Like I said,libs are morons. |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 147
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 7:23 pm: |
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can u provide a link? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 954
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:02 pm: |
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Posner on Countdown-- talks about the "plot".
Video here-
http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/2006/PosneronBushTerrorPloyFeb906.asx
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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 956
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:23 pm: |
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more on big deal plot--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060210/ts_alt_afp/usattacksbushthwart_060210080140 |
I "Straw"buried Paul
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6759
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060211/ap_on_re_us/terror_plot_mayor
libs
Man , libs are dumb.. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1523
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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Still another passing of mental wind by the Straw. I hope it wasn't too much of an exertion.
Wouldn't want to put additional strain on your already overburdened gray matter now, would we? |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 681
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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Innisowen-
I wouldn't go so far as Straw in saying "libs are dumb" but they do tend to bombastly think that everyone else is stupid or don't know what is good for them.
Funny, if they can only win some elections... |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 684
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:36 am: |
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LOL...from OpinionJournal.com:
NOTHING TO FEAR BUT THESE IDIOTS:
The Los Angeles Times reports on Democratic reaction to President Bush's speech yesterday, in which he described how the government foiled an al Qaeda plot to fly hijacked planes into L.A.'s Library Tower:
The details did little to counter skepticism from Democrats and some law enforcement officials who have questioned whether the reported scheme had ever been put into operation before it was thwarted.
So we're supposed to wait until after terror plots have been put into operation before thwarting them? Members of Congress weigh in:
Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Sherman Oaks) described Bush's speech as a political stunt meant to draw attention from the mounting criticisms of the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping program and other questions about administration tactics.
"I can't think of a governmental reason to disclose these details at this time to the general public. Clearly, the goal was to create headlines," said Sherman, who monitors security matters as the ranking Democrat on the House subcommittee on international terrorism and nonproliferation.
Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he "didn't find [Bush's comments] very helpful . . . from a professional point of view."
But it is very helpful to disclose crucial details about the terrorist surveillance program?
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1524
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
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Scrotey:
"But it is very helpful to disclose crucial details about the terrorist surveillance program?"
Terrorist networks are known to use the internet, cell phones, and other communication methods in sophisticated ways, perhaps more sophisticated than many of us can do.
Do you believe that terrorists wouldn't assume that someone is either monitoring or trying to monitor their chatter?
And what "crucial details" has anyone revealed? Location of the monitoring stations? which domestic switches scouring international calls routed through them? what precise technology? what names and locations of the intelligence experts doing the monitoring? what trends and changes the monitors are picking up?
Nothing of an intelligence-gathering or analytical nature ( your "crucial details" ) has been put at risk.
Get real. The administration is in a lather and stonewalling because it risks being perceived as violating the 1st and 4th amendment rights of Americans.
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Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 84
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Scrotis wrote:
But it is very helpful to disclose crucial details about the terrorist surveillance program?
Scrotis,
Regardless of what you think about the surveillance program, isn't it hard to see what such crucial details are? All we know is that the admin has been monitoring phone calls involving people it believes were involved in terrorism aimed at the US.
Surely it is no suprise to terrorists that the US government wants to intercept their communications.
Other information on the details of the program have not been forthcoming.
Personally I find the contract between how NYC hears about threats and how LA apparently does quite revealing. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 693
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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Innisowen:
There is much more going on here constitutionally then just possible violations of the 1st and 4th amendments...
-SLK |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1526
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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If there is, can you name it? |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 695
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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lets see if you can figure it out... |
I "Straw"buried Paul
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6761
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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What amazes me is just how foolish the Dems have become over the SP. Politically speaking President Bush holds a huge advantage with the American public when it comes to national security. Other areas where he slips in the minds of Americans include Iraq, obviously.
So, what do the Dems do? They make Iraq their number one anti-bush concern and as a result Bush's numbers fall. It's an argument, they're winning in the eyes of Americans. Then, SP comes along and the dems change course. SP, is now their number one anti-Bush talking point and Americans are turning off.
Don't Dems understand that in order to defeat Bush and the Republicans you need to demonstrate potential failures, not successes.
Dems scream: SP!!!, Republicans counter, no domestic terror attacks as a result!!... GOP wins argument by a mile..
Amazing how foolish the Democratic Party has become.. The party needs to get rid of Howard Dean and start over.
This lesson in political thought brought to you by Straw.
Remember, Straw is your political Daddy. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1533
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Oh, god, I agree with straw. Let not the heavens fall.
Howard Dean needs to go back to practicing medicine. He is botching the surgery on the Democratic party |
I "Straw"buried Paul
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6763
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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thank you. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1535
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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You're welcome. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 701
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
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Wow, God does truly exist.... |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1537
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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Are you absolutely sure?
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 705
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:44 pm: |
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Not 100% sure but with you and Staw agreeing on something anything is possible!
I remember after the 04 election I asked some of my liberal friends if it was smart to have Howard Dean run the DNC and of course they said it was only proving they didn't learn jack ••••... |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 148
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:54 pm: |
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Regarding the plot that was thwarted - what were the names of the hijackers? Where were they captured? Where are they now, was there a trial?
And what method of intelligence was used to find them, I don't believe it was via wiretapping.
Straw and scrotis - please bring me up to speed on this.
Thanks. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 707
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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Kramer-
Since you don't have easy access to this specific information then it must have never happened and the govt must be fibbing...
But yet again, you expected Bush to do something about some vague memo prior to 9/11...
ahh, the disengenious logic..gotta love it... |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 85
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:07 pm: |
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Scrotis,
The logic I have heard goes more like:
NYC was repeatedly alerted about warnings and acted on them. LA never acted on one. Therefore whatever warnings they received must have been much less stern than those to NYC. Yet the President now claims that they thwarted an attack on LA when no such claim has been made for any of the apparently more significant threats to NYC. Said claim also comes in the midst of complaints about wiretapping, and, though it does not directly claim wiretapping was used, seems to be a response to those complaints, especially since the incident was already mentioned last October.
(And I think more than a few people would consider the "Bin Laden prepared to strike in US" memo something more than vague.) |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 86
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:21 pm: |
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[Sorry, system wasn't responding and I double-posted the message.] |
Kramer
Citizen
Username: Kramer
Post Number: 149
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:36 pm: |
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I didn't say they were fibbing - just wanted to know more info on it.
I guess that an American looking for truth = liberal = anti-American.
Geez, a plot was stopped - the bad guys were caught. I just want to know how we caught them and where they are now. Are these specifics really too much to ask for? Honestly. |
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