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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3183
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:38 pm: | 
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I personally love the way the Olympics (and especially tonight's performance ongoing in Turino) always breaks up coverage of wars and hostility of the universe to offer a moment of calm, peace, youth and love. Maybe us kookie hippies made a little difference after all.
Peace out. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14556
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14557
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:43 pm: |
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3184
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:51 pm: |
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Yeah, Ok, OK, I'm not saying it's always about peace. But all that horror in the past just serves to emphasize how our peace movement brought a new awareness of the need for peace to the world. Olympics have always been about youth. For the youth of the world to be celebrating peace through the CURRENT Olympics is...well... pretty cool. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14558
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
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http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/20/spotlight/ |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14560
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 12:00 am: |
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http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0114595.html |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3185
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 12:01 am: |
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What's past is prologue...
In other words, your point is..that we shouldn't have the Olympics?
That young people today don't want peace?
That peace is bad?
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1511
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 12:21 am: |
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I prefer watching the opening/closing ceremonies of the Olympics on almost any European or Asian television network, so that I can avoid the sanctimonious pap, drivel, lousy writing, and crappy background music provided by whoever produces the "shows" at whatever network gets the Olympic contract.
Mass-produced trash aiming for the lowest common denominator.
I may have to concoct a business trip back home to see the games without the drivel. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3186
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 1:01 am: |
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One can almost develop an immunity to the drivel after a while.
Even through the drivel the idealism and wish for peace came through this time. |
Maplefan
Citizen
Username: Maplefan
Post Number: 46
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:33 am: |
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I was on the field for the opening ceremonies of the 1980 Olympics in Los Angeles (journalist/not athlete.) It was a remarkable event. And of course politics permeated those Olympics. Russia boycotted. China returned. Still, the sense of hope and possibilty was extraordinary. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14562
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:48 am: |
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I loved the part where Peter Gabriel sang "imagine there's no countries" in front of athletes representing just about every country on the planet who would love nothing less than having no countries.
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3187
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:19 am: |
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You need poetry in your soul, sbenois. |
lizzyr
Citizen
Username: Lizzyr
Post Number: 233
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:15 am: |
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Why was Susan Sarandon representing North American women carrying the Olympic flag? I can think of scores of better suited women that have won Olympic medals or earned international recognition in science or the arts that would have been a better choice. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14564
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:34 am: |
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Here's some Olympic poetry for your soul...
Spitzer and Shorr
They're with us no more
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3189
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
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Oh, withering, blithering blather,
I just feel I would totally rather,
Think the Olympics are great
And in that sweet state
Offer peace to the world on a platter!!! |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 667
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:58 am: |
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tulip-
your post explains everything. The 60s were over for about, oh, 46 years...time to move on...
And I can't help thinking deep down inside you actually enjoy all that is going in the world today, it allows you to relive those golden days when all you were doing is trying to save your "brothers" from being drafted....
-SLK |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3190
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:26 am: |
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Actually, I was caught up in going to college and graduate school. Didn't do much war protesting. Sorry.
PS Scrot: I thought you were all for idealism. Isn't that what a wish for peace is? Perhaps you think it's cynical. Well, war is peace, love is hate, etc.etc, for you, I guess.
Enough.
Welcome to my thread. Do with it what you will.
Bye, bye. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 672
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
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tulip-
FOr the most part everyone wants peace, especially those who are about to wage war...
-SLK |
susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1347
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:18 pm: |
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Scrotis, I hope you don't do math for a living. The 60s have been over for about 36 years, not 46. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1521
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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susan1014:
the lack of clarity about numbers is a Neocon thing these days. Consider the budget, the deficit, the costs of the senior prescription drug plan and of the Iraq war, all foisted on us by this nutcake administration: "a quarter trillion here, a quarter trillion there, what's the difference?"
Compared to that, Scrotey has a lot of leeway. He could say that the 60s were 2,000 years ago and still be closer in order of magnitude than the party in power is in its use of numbers. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 683
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:28 am: |
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Susan1014-
2006-1960=46...
Stop splitting hairs, you know what I am getting at... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3194
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:46 am: |
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There was no "peace movement" per se in 1960. There was "SANE Nuclear Policy" and other anti-nuclear and atomic weapons social groups. They were not Communists, by the way. The "Peace Movement" started (perhaps Scrotis was not yet aware of things at that time) as a response to the war in Viet Nam. People who had been active in the Civil Rights Movement were some of the same people who participated in the peace movement, but they were two distinct social movements, with two distinct populations. The Civil Rights Movement moved into several major factions, some advocating non-violence, with Martin Luther King as their mentor, some believing "by any means necessary," with H. Rap Brown (his first name); and Malcolm X as their mentors. Later, as wounded and dead started coming back from Viet Nam, the peace movement started up.
It's not just a giant left-wing conspiracy. There's a reason for some the dissent. You may think it's crazy, but sometimes one has to be a squeaky wheel, you know, when it seems that no one's listening.
Also, you should recall, if you were around then, that the Peace Movement and the sexual revolution may have appeared to happen at the same time, but if you are lumping together the peace movement, the sexual revolution and the drug culture, you are either looking through someone else's blurry rear-view mirror, or you are thinking "post hoc ergo propter hoc" which loosely translated means "because it happened after something else, it is therefore a result of it," a logical fallacy.
Each of these social groups was separate. There were druggies who weren't for peace, and peaceniks who didn't take drugs, and sexual activitists who didn't take part in the other two factions. If you think otherwise, you just weren't there.
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 686
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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tulip-
I am summing up the 60's from its broadest point. Maybe this is wrong for me to do. I am completely aware of when the peace movement started and for what reasons.
My brother went to Vietnam when I was just born.
Thanks.
-SLK |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3195
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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I hope he got through OK. I had many friends from high school who didn't. I do think that "summing up the 60's" with all due respect, is quite a cumbersome task, since it was a busy decade, with lots going on. Summing it up is frought with peril, from an historian's point of view.
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Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 689
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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My brother survived but lost much motivation after his return. I hate to say it but he hasn't amount to much. But according to my family, this was apparent even before he went to Nam... |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3196
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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Sorry to hear that, Scrotis. Personally, I don't see how being in the middle of the battle in Viet Nam could have helped anyone. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 694
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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Neither can I, but then you have ex- Nam posters like Innisowen that went on to
success in life...it makes me wonder sometimes...was it the war, or the mindset of those fighting it that make a difference... |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1528
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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Scrotey:
I was really, really lucky.
I have comrades in arms who moved out to rural areas of West Virginia after the war. I see these fellows maybe once every year or so. A couple of them don't go to bed at night but take a rifle and "patrol" their perimeters. So far, they haven't run into any trouble, but they wouldn't survive if they lived in a more urban area.
Others I served with can't sleep for more than 2 hours at a time, and they left the service in '68, '69 and have been tortured by demons ever since. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 698
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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Innis-
It is nice that you are able to talk about it, much more than my brother will do. He avoids it like the plague.
-PJH |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1532
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Thank you, scrotey.
I will always say that I was really, really lucky. The gods of fortune always seem to smile on me, and I am grateful for it, truly grateful. |
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