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themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2525
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:54 pm: | 
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Gets started slow, with some inside blogger crap, but I thought this was an intersting item on the drift away from core conservative ideas and toward a personality cult among Bush supporters.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/02/do-bush-followers-have-political.html |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5170
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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This is a worthless read. Limited government conservatives now believe in Bush having unchecked power? Ridiculous. Conservatives now call John Sununu a 'liberal' because of his opposition to the previous Patriot Act renewal? No responsible conservative would do that and I frankly haven't heard the assertion made.
Sheehan disagrees with a majority of the Democrats on the war, so that makes those Democrats 'conservative'?
Stupid.
If you want to talk about how conservatives chafe and can pretty upset at some of Bush's non-conservative actions if they are dwelt upon, have at it. But cult-like loyalty to the man? Please. |
kendalbill
Citizen
Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 65
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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I saw this as well. I agree with much of it. Labels mean less and less, but I'm amazed at people who continue to call themselves conservatives and worhip Bush. All that talk about nation building in the debates against Gore and what do we have now? Containing the growth of govt? Think again.
I'm not saying a president should be anything but pragmatic. I don't believe labels should matter anyway. But it is amazing how conservatives will toss their ideals to the wind to support what Bush does. CJC, I don';t know if I would say its a cult, but it sure seems inconsistent. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5172
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:46 pm: |
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Well, to be intellectually honest about it, supporting Bush against his adversaries isn't hard to imagine. If you're a conservative, he has done things we very much applaud. Others not, but not enough to toss him overboard.
Where do you get 'worship'? Especially since it's my side who does most of the worship in this country in all liklihood?
Growth of government is something my side is very mad about, to the point that it will doom McCain in the primaries. Nation building? Sure we're against it, unless it's in our national interest and of course if we're at war at or within the nation it's best to put it back to together before you leave.
There's a real way to discuss this. This article doesn't come close with it's use of 'cult' and 'worship' and other characterizations of that which is supposedly is interested in deciphering. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2527
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 3:15 pm: |
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He sure stunk up that hurricane thing. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5175
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 3:18 pm: |
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I'll give you half of that, and Bush has said as much. |
kendalbill
Citizen
Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 67
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
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Maybe "cult" is too inflamatory. How about blind loyalty at the expense of all common sense.
And the contention that it's your side that does most of the worship in this country-- well that just nutty. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10655
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
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There is an interesting article in todays' NY Times about a conservative who was fired from a think tank for writing and publishing a book very critical of Bush.
Just curious, but why is McCain viewed as a proponent of big government?
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4504
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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cjc- you said "Especially since it's my side who does most of the worship in this country in all liklihood"
That statement alone, makes you unworthy to debate seriously.
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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10659
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 5:39 pm: |
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Ffof, you don't get it. All the people who attend churches that don't deny evolution aren't really Christians. The 500 or so churches ranging from Episopalian to Mennonite that participated in Evolution Sunday aren't worthy of mention. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4353
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:18 pm: |
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we're not talking about responsible conservatives, we're talking about the congressional leadership and the right-wing news media.
Anyway, who parrots every single turn of the Bush administration as wonderful, no matter what? Hmm. Let me think.
This guy?
Or maybe this one?
Or this or this? (love that last one -- and it's still near!}
Or while I'm on the subject, this or this? The hits just keep on comin' |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5179
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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tom -- you've cited one poster. Plus, you've used the word "every" which means you only have to find one Strawberry disagreement with this Administration and your point is destroyed.
ffof, kendalbill -- what was that graphic in 2004 linking the propensity to attend religous services and voting or identifying as a conservative or republican? that's what I meant, and I think you know what I'm talking about.
Bob K -- McCain is big government when he works to limit political free speech at the expense of challengers. McCain didn't win any conservative points by opposing tax cuts for (and I'm paraphrasing) those that 'don't need it.' |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2544
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 1:24 pm: |
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"McCain is big government when he works to limit political free speech at the expense of challengers."
Is that wingnut-speak for campaign finance reform? |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 2545
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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Interesting look at intellectual fredom among GOPers.
http://www.redstate.com/comments/2006/2/12/145959/415/25#25
As the immediate past eCampaign Director for the GOP, and the eCampaign Director for Bush-Cheney 04, I may be one of the only people who can answer this directly.
We started to build this in January of last year. The plans for the launch of GOP.com last spring included two things that have never made it to the light of day - a viral fundraising component, and a "MyGOP" functionality that would have let activists build a MySpace-like site on GOP.com. Practical reality set in, however, and killed both. The trouble with the MyGOP concept was the conflict it created with incredibly tight internal controls on message.
When we were forced to pull a Social Security Testimonials tool off the site because someone dared to use the word "private" instead of the more acceptable "personal" accounts, it became apparent that our internal tolerance for self-expression would not allow that sort of openness. Arguments that restrictions of that nature are ridiculous and hamper our ability to be effective online were met with stony silence. In the end, MyGOP went nowhere |
GOP Man
Citizen
Username: Headsup
Post Number: 276
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 2:22 pm: |
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The notion that we conservatives don't disagree with the president is ridiculous. I agree with Rush Limbaugh, who has continually hammered the president for the naive way that he reaches out to Democrats. He aims for bipartisanship and all he gets is their blind hatred in return. |
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