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crabby
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Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 477
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:37 pm: | 
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Deer hunting - you sit? I do declare, southerner, I don't think you've ever gone huntin'. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5185
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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The press is acting like the major Constitutional issue is that they weren't given the facts for them to disseminate as they see fit. I say "as they see fit" because giving them the facts doesn't necessarily mean full disclosure. Witness the entire JFK presidency.
The delay amounts to 24 hours, and you had to go through the Corpus Christi Caller-Times first. Horrors. Democracy denied.
And we get themp here saying he was drunk or something. Why rule out heroin, themp, as long as you're into wild conjecture?
Shrum is on Matthews linking this ala bettyd to Iraq, and Social Security, and whatever else he can link this too.
Don't look so desperate, and people will take you more seriously. The story is turning away from Cheney into how the press and Democrats are reacting to an unfortunate incident. And in all this, NO ONE on the Left gives a rip about the guy who was shot. Instead, they're just waiting to see if he dies to add to the Bush Administration's 'body count.'
Just amazing to watch. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5186
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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The press is acting like the major Constitutional issue is that they weren't given the facts for them to disseminate as they see fit. I say "as they see fit" because giving them the facts doesn't necessarily mean full disclosure. Witness the entire JFK presidency.
The delay amounts to 24 hours, and you had to go through the Corpus Christi Caller-Times first. Horrors. Democracy denied.
And we get themp here saying he was drunk or something. Why rule out heroin, themp, as long as you're into wild conjecture?
Shrum is on Matthews linking this ala bettyd to Iraq, and Social Security, and whatever else he can link this too.
Don't look so desperate, and people will take you more seriously. The story is turning away from Cheney into how the press and Democrats are reacting to an unfortunate incident. And in all this, NO ONE on the Left gives a rip about the guy who was shot. Instead, they're just waiting to see if he dies to add to the Bush Administration's 'body count.'
Just amazing to watch. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 4354
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:57 pm: |
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SLK writes
Quote:And the fact that some of the American people are demanding why this news wasn't made public sooner really kills me. Why the public needs to know every little detail that goes on in govt. officials lives I will never understand, especially those issues that doesn't effect them in no way shape or form.
Were you laughing as hard when you wrote that as I am when I read it? You know, I used to say the same thing 'round about, oh, 1998, and the conservatives on this here board castigated me.
Meanwhile, Southerner says the second funniest thing I've heard today, "This kind of stuff happens when you have a bunch of old guys out shooting at fast, little birds. I've been on these type of hunts and it almost happens every hunt. "
Almost every hunt some guy ends up with a face full of buckshot in the ICU with a heart catheter? Wow, I'd be better off trying to play left guard in the NFL that go hunting with you guys! |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 176
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 7:57 pm: |
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Let's not forget Monica Lewinsky.
President Clinton got in trouble for spraying a "friend" in the face too. Only it wasn't buck shot!
J.B.
Sorry to anyone offended. I couldn't resist. |
Debby
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Username: Debby
Post Number: 2201
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:02 pm: |
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Oh Jesus-
How long are people going to go on and on about this? Yeah it is somewhat humorous and unfortunate but this matter is between Dick and his victim. Lets wait to get the latter's word on the matter.
And the fact that some of the American people are demanding why this news wasn't made public sooner really kills me. Why the public needs to know every little detail that goes on in govt. officials lives I will never understand, especially those issues that doesn't effect them in no way shape or form.
Move on folks....
Bill Clinton's BJ warranted a federal investigation. I think shooting a senior citizen in the face is at least as serious. |
Debby
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Username: Debby
Post Number: 2202
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:04 pm: |
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cross-posted, jb! |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5188
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:09 pm: |
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Debby -- you seem to have conveniently missed something about Clinton's BJ. He lied by withholding evidence about previous affairs in his workplace to a federal judge in a sexual harassment suit. Getting a BJ in the Oval Office is not a crime. Withholding evidence when he's the defendant in a sexual harassment case which he had to settle out of court IS a crime. NOW wouldn't have that kind of discovery into the perp's history any other way -- unless it's their ox getting Gore'd.
Cheney hasn't been charged with a crime, other than being a conservative in some circuits. |
Debby
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Username: Debby
Post Number: 2203
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:16 pm: |
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Cheney hasn't been charged with a crime, other than being a conservative in some circuits.
Not yet, anyway |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 4357
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:17 pm: |
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We're talking about the federal investigation of the B.J., including the rush publishing job done on the Starr report. Remember, cases of books being delivered to the Capitol?
It warranted tremendous resources to get the smarmy material about the ACT publicized, not the lies.
Because really, what did the cigar have to do with perjury? Nothing, it was publicized because it got all the conservatives' rocks off to read it.
Nah, the big and only difference is party affiliation. |
kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 82
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 6:34 am: |
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Apparently, Karen Armstrong (Cheney's "press secretary" for this issue) originally said they were drinking beer at lunch-- as reported by MSNBC. MSNBC later removed that reference in their piece.
The original:
"Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident. She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said..."
I am not passing judgement on drinking beer, God knows. But if Cheney's life is worth anything, lets just try to keep him from these situations, eh? And doesn't it seem even more curious why it took a day to find this stuff out??
Its not just the Bushies-- but why dont politicians understand that the best strategy is to be open with the facts as quickly as possible? They always think they can snow people.
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tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3209
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:07 am: |
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I know it's not the exact same, but some of the heat on Teddy Kennedy's delay in "alerting the press" should be erased just about now.
Kharma...
Double standard. Repubs didn't want that to be thought of as a "private matter."
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Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1531
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:30 am: |
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tulip , you really don't want to go down the Chappaquiddick road on this one. |
kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 83
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:11 am: |
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Yeah, Guy. This is different in a lot of ways-- but it is the same in that there seems to be some rerason why it was kept quiet for so long. In fact there seems to be some sense of mock surprise that anyone would be interested. Maybe I missed something, lets broaden it to include all cabinet level appointees-- when was the last time someone in the executive branch shot someone in the face? How these guys thought they could keep it quiet is completely beyond me.
Which is why I think the mock surprise and the "private matter" line is a lot of crap. My theory, and something that might never be found out, is that there was drinking and there was old men and it was dusk and they were bird hunting. And it was a very, very stupid idea-- kind of like telling old drinking stories from college and wondering how you never got hurt. And heres the difference-- this is the VP! He has an entire agency trying to keep him safe...I think the coverup here (for lack of a better term)is the breakdown of protection for the VP. Not a terrorist, not an assasin- to protect him from himself and his friends.
Look, if he was changing a light bulb while standing knee deep in water, wouldn't Agent Jones of the Secret Service stop him? I'm not after Cheney here, despite my democratic leanings. The Secret Service safeguards these guys for us and I think we have a right to have some questions answered. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1418
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:23 am: |
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kendalbill
On drinking… you may be on to something here.
This is what I saw in one report:
Cheney, an experienced hunter, has not spoken publicly about the accident, which took place just before nightfall Saturday while the vice president was aiming for a quail on a ranch in South Texas. Critics of the Bush administration called for more of an explanation from Cheney himself”.
Hmmm… the report you posted above said,
"She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said..."
Thought they were rushing the guy to the hospital. Who goes drinking after an incident such as this? I think they may have had a beer or two before, perhaps earlier in the day.
Delaying a response to the public gives him enough time for a cup of coffee and some tictacs to disguise any scent of drinking.
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Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1532
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:24 am: |
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bill, they have had 6 years to stop him.
As far as keeping it quiet the police and ambulance were called immediately and it was reported to the local papers the following day.
Sorry , I just can't come up with alot of sympathy because David Gregory's feelings got hurt.
" Dick , Whitty's been shot, quick call the New York Times" .
Reminds me of Trading Places.
" Mortimore , your brothers not well. •••• him, turn those machines back on" |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12543
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:32 am: |
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I think this story belongs in the likes of People magazine. The only reason this is newsworthy is that it's the VP. Sure, he was super stupid to let this happen, and yeah, the White House should not have been so secretive, and they still are. But so what?
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kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 84
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:59 am: |
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Ok, I guess I am the only one here that is concerned with drunk guys carrying guns around the VP at dusk. I kinda sorta thought the VP's safety might be an issue that others would be concerned about.
Let me make clear: I don't think Cheney is at fault. Even if he was playing quarters with his buds and then throwing Jarts across the lawn, whatever-- they guy has a tough job and deserves to blow off steam. And hunting quail with your buddies after a few beers-- it sounds like fun. If I didn't make it clear before, there you have it.
But you know that scene in movies or the "West Wing" or "24" when the president wants to do something that seems safe but has some small element of risk? Like Pres. Bartlett wants to walk across a parking lot thats unsecure or the new dork thats the Pres on "24" wants to sign a treaty and the Secret Service tells them not to because its not safe? Didn't you think that really happened? I've never gone hunting drunk at night, so I really don't know how dangerous it is, but didn't you think there were people that would talk sense to the Pres. and VP? Didn't we have this guy in a SECRET SECURE BUNKER for months to make sure he was safe? And now we find out he was (maybe) getting plastered with his buddies and shooting at anything that moves in the dark right in front of the guys that are supposed to keep him safe.
I say it would be ironic and tragic if after all the justified anxiety about Osama and terrorists, the VP was done in by a drunken crony right in front of the Secret Service. I guess all of you Cheney supporters seem to say "whatever".... I just say ask the questions. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12544
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:04 am: |
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Really? You think Cheney's protectors are at fault and Cheney isn't? That's weird.
And why be concerned with Cheney's safety? He could be more dangerous to our country than Bush is. And why be concerned with Cheney's safety more than Whittington's?
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tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4045
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:17 am: |
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"And hunting quail with your buddies after a few beers-- it sounds like fun."
Sounds like a recipe for wrongful death to me. |
kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 85
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Tom, I hope your kidding. Of course I'm more concerned about the VP than Wittington. Oh, on a personal level every life is sacred, and yes we would absolutely be better off with Cheney out of office, but he is our VP! I hate it too, but he has the job. And we pay people to watch him and make sure he is safe. Lots of people.
When I am about to do something monumentaly stupid, I am lucky enough to have a wife who is there to knock some sense in me. ("Takes the wheel when I'm seeing double, pays my ticket when I speed....") If she is gone, I have buddies to do that. Cheney also has the Secret service. I don't think its weird to expect them to take better care of their charge. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4046
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:50 am: |
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It seems odd to me that we think our President and Vice-President are so important that they can't enjoy a hunting trip.
Whether or not you think the country would be better off without them, they are replaceable and don't even qualify to be lesser deities.
In a simpler time (1862), Abraham Lincoln personally tested the new Specer repeating rifle. |
kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 86
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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tjohn, did he test is by letting his drunk buddies fire it toward him?
I also would not hold up Abe Lincloln's experience as a good example of how to protect the President.
If we are in agreement that the Pres and VP need not be protected, OK. Just didn't know that. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4048
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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Sure they need to be protected, but not at the expense of having a life.
Hunting is normally a safe enough activity and you can make a reasonable assumption that your hunting friends are not assassins under deep cover. |
notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3042
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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I don't think the prez or veep need to be kept behind bulletproof glass at all times, but it seems to me that leisure activities involving firearms should probably be proscribed during the time they are in office.
And that goes for BASE jumping, scorpion fondling, and fire-eating, too. |
kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 88
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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I agree. But everything we do adds risk.
If Cheney want to ride Harley, all the power to him. If he wants to exceed the speed limit by 10 miles an hour, he is taking a risk but it doesn't seem that crazy. If he wants to ride without a helmet in the rain with semis driving by, I would hope someone would gently tell him he shouldn't.
I don't want to belabour this point and I have a knack for pushing things too far, but I'm amazed that this isn't of interest to more people. Even in the wider media, the left wing blogs call it Cheney's fault and the right wingers are either blaming the victim or saying it's no biggie. The cable news and the conventional wisdom is happy to make light of it or play up the press room angle. I think that is all a distraction-- I want to know why these guys aren't being protected. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4049
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Notehead,
What about fire-breathing? Cheney does a lot of that. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 2552
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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An undocumented Mexican immigrant was shot and killed Sunday evening in an apparent hunting accident on a Webb County ranch owned by the family of former U.S. diplomat John G. Hurd.
"The illegals were crouching out in the brush. They said they mistook this guy for a hog," said Webb County Sheriff Juan Garza....
Juan Garza Mendoza, 34, an employee of the ranch, was charged Monday with manslaughter, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison....
Mendoza had apparently hit Barrera Vasquez while shooting at a feral hog, and immediately contacted authorities after the shooting, Hurd said.
Sheriff Garza said interviews with three of the victim's Mexican traveling companions and the others in the ranch hunting party led him to rule out anything but an accidental shooting.
"They mistakenly shot a human being," he said. "It's reckless. It's inexcusable."
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/stories/MYSA112604.1A.survivors.921cf9d4 .html |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1535
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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Cheney to appear on FOXNEWS at 2 PM. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10686
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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With Chris Wallace asking him powder puff questions? 
I don't think that is going to stem the story. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1420
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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Cheney will be interviewed by Fox News at 2 p.m. (1900 GMT), White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters. The interview will not be aired live.
I guess enough time to sugarcoat and edit for FAUX NEWS. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5195
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:07 pm: |
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Doubt it will be like the Lewinsky that Clinton got on CBS "60 Minutes" where Bill was given chances at re-takes. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 2554
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:12 pm: |
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Lots of strange stuff is surfacing. Time of day of accident - 5:50 with a 6:18 sunset. Too dark for safe hunting in a group of three. How far away was Armstrong? (She says 100 yards)How does she know he didn't announce himself from that distance, sitting in a car? When she first saw the Secret Service running, she says she thought Cheney had had a medical problem - means she didn't actually witness accident. Why pretend to? She said there was beer available at the picnic lunch. Why did she try to minimize the accident ("knocked him silly - more bruised than bloody") when he was bleeding copiously?
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bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:18 pm: |
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I'm sure Fox news will ask some probing, difficult questions of the VP. After all, it was just an accident, no big deal, the VP of the US shooting somebody in the face happens all the time. |
slipknot (slippy)
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Username: Zotts
Post Number: 254
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 2:45 pm: |
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dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1347
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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What they were doing hardly qualifies as hunting. Birds raised in captivity? Driving in a car to where the birds are released?
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kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 89
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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You know how the police investigation into the incident revealed that alcohol didn't contribute to the accident? I was willing to take that into account, not as the final word but as one piece of info. Until I just read that Kennedy County, which the Sheriff who investigated serves, has a population of 414. It is the 4th smallest county in the US. And this ranch represented a pretty big real estate holding in the county. Think they have any say? This was not a CSI investigation by any means.
I think we have to discount the police reports in total. It'll be interesting to hear Cheney tonight. |
Tom Reingold
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Post Number: 12548
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:46 pm: |
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kendalbill, you are tenacious!
I don't think Cheney was particularly "bad" in this incident. All this shows is that he wasn't particularly "good" either. Watcha gonna do?
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tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 4364
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:36 pm: |
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Quote:distancing himself from the "blame the victim" spin put out by his surrogates, Vice President Dick Cheney said today that he takes responsibility for shooting Harry Whittington. In an interview with Fox's Brit Hume, Cheney said: "Ultimately, I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry. You know, talk about all the other conditions that existed at the time, but that's the bottom line. It's not Harry's fault. You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that shot my friend. It's a day that I will never forget."
Hats off to Cheney for taking the high road in this statement.
see, I can say nice things about the administration sometimes! |
Tom Reingold
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Post Number: 12554
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:44 pm: |
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Yes. That was the right thing to say, and nothing else would have been as good. Thank you, Mr. Cheney.
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kendalbill
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Username: Kendalbill
Post Number: 90
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:01 pm: |
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I agree, Tom. My issue is with whoever protects the VP. Now I'll shut up. |
Montagnard
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Username: Montagnard
Post Number: 1882
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
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I found it interesting that Cheney and his friends wanted to keep the incident private. To paraphrase their supporters: if they hadn't done anything wrong, what were they trying to hide? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 1925
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:18 pm: |
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what's wrong with getting drunk and hunting senior citizens? |
Jersey Boy
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Post Number: 191
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:20 am: |
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Only the "getting drunk" part is wrong.
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Eponymous
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Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 97
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:53 am: |
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1. Surely the hospital took Whittington's blood and had it tested. Results?
2. It appears that over half of the shot ended up in W's body. Some of it apparently soon ended up near his heart, where it later caused his mild heart attack. How likely is that at 30 yards? (I.e., what's the shot spread of Cheney's gun?)
3. What time did the White House get a call from TX? |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 156
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 3:48 am: |
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1. When asked the hospital authorities said 'No comment'. Hmmm. Nobody seems to have taken the VP's blood for testing. But, hey, 18 hours later why bother? |
Bob K
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 4:43 am: |
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Cheney did a good job on Fox in handling an obviously nervous Britt Humes' rather powderpuff questions.
A few observations:
First, Cheney admitted responsibility, but never said it was his fault. Their is a subtle difference here. He did, however, absolve Mr. W of responsibility which was a nice gesture given the shift the blame spin going on.
Second, he admitted to having a beer with lunch, several hours before the incident. The question is if this was full disclosure or an attempt to kill an issue with partial disclosure.
Third, Britt never went into the roll of the President and notifications to the White House. This was probably part of the ground rules laid out by the VP for the interview.
Forth, he indicated that the delay was to get the facts straight. That can also be interpreted to mean that the delay was to get the story straight.
Overall, a masterfull job of managing the news and one that I am sure will be used as a blueprint for the future.
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Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1421
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 7:56 am: |
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Second, he admitted to having a beer with lunch, several hours before the incident.
Hmmm… so my assumption I posted earlier was correct.
Even though he wasn't intoxicated (perhaps partially impaired?), isn't it illegal to drink & hunt in Texas?
At least Cheney admitted responsibility, however, it would've been interesting to see others from the press core present to ask questions. Perhaps Chris Matthews? |
steel
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Username: Steel
Post Number: 963
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 8:31 am: |
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Cheney could have avoided a lot of media noise, (and spared McClellan), if he had simply made this sort of "direct" announcement days earlier or the "day of". Now, on top of the rest of the details it sort-of looks like he had the media force him out of his "secrect mode" to step up, instead of realizing right-away that a VP shooting somebody in the face would be a big-buzz story and getting out in front of it.
"If it bleeds, it leads"
Meanwhile, I think that the reporting will quickly fizzle away leaving only the, (various) punchlines forever associated with Cheney's name. -After all, how many other specifics will anybody really remember about the guy years from now? How many VPs do people remember who don't at least run for Pres? After all the Iraq-oil-Darth Vader-Halliburton stuff THIS will be this guys legacy. (baring any other accidents of history).
As in: "Oh yeah Cheney, -wasn't he the one who shot that guy?"
the end. |
themp
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Post Number: 2557
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:25 am: |
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If he was so overwhelmingly concerned with Whittington that night, why didn't he go to the hospital with him?
When the deputies showed up and were turned away because the guards didn't know about the incident, Does that mean they didn't call back and announce "hey, the cops are here"? And they didn't notice that an ambulance had come and carted someone off? How did they know to admit the ambulance?
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bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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One good outcome of this: Antonin Scalia will probably not go on another unethical hunting trip with his good buddy, the VP. Not because he shouldn't based on all legal standards and ethical requirements, but because he would be afraid of getting shot by the VP. |
tjohn
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Post Number: 4050
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Does anybody know if Cheney hit the quail? |
Jgberkeley
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Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 4435
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 2:53 pm: |
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Last I heard, Dan was OK. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8676
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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hunting quayle is small potatos |
Guy
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1541
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 3:06 pm: |
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Good one Dave. I didn't know Cheney was there also.
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Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1423
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 3:11 pm: |
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This bird is liable to sing! But not if Cheney has his way…
It was an accident! I heard some chirping and thought it was a bird. I'm SORRY!!! |
Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 963
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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28 gauge- 7, 1/2 shot, about 230 pellets, just under 1/10th of an inch each. |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 199
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:24 pm: |
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School me on hunting. I have seen hunters practicing with clay pidgeons. "PULL!" This isn't using shot, which sprays all this small shot into the air to hit a FLYING bird that you're aiming at from a distance.
Bad guys use "cut off" shotguns because they can hide them in their trench coats, but also because the shot sprays more widely and F's up the victim. "Close range with a sawed off shot gun," means dead or F'd up.
Now, if you're hunting flightless birds. Why use shot instead of bullets? PULL! BLAM!
Isn't this type of shot gun for shooting into the air? Shooting a shotgun at a level target seems like the what the bad guys do without the sawed off feature. How do you eat the game loaded with shot?
Now, I imagine any gun with bird shot was designed to be shot at a quail in flight. This would mean, don't pull the trigger till you are pointing up into the sky. Hunting dogs are used to "flush" the birds into the sky for this. Then the dogs retrieve the birds.
Was this a misfire? Like He didn't leave the gun "broken" while walking, or a bad hunting scenario with shotguns designed for shooting birds in flight used for shooting birds in a barrel, so to speak.
J.B. |
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