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Paris Hiltonberry
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6842
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:32 am: | 
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Friday 2/24-Madden 11 responds to this question with this laughable if not insane & certainly troubling answer.
Q: Oh, so if the US decides to invade Saudia Arabia you would be for it?
Madden11 responds with: "If they had gone there instead of Iraq, I'd have absolutely been for it."
Straw says: "Son, that's a sad answer and a sad point of view."
I will do my best to update this column on a regular basis. It's not as if I'm going to be short of material thanks to the radical misinformed left here on MOL. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 1943
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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is this open to nominations from anyone? because this might turn out to be a valuable service. |
Brokeback Straw
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6844
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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yes..feel free. However, let's keep it topical. In other words, posts moving forward or within the last 24 hours. Should be interesting. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 1944
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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how about dumb thread of the day? |
Brokeback Straw
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6845
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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Nah, if that's the case simply reply boring on that thread and post the DEM baby. That's usually enough.
(bet it won't be hard to figure out your next move)
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Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 241
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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Boring.
J.B. |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1522
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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Brokeback - HELP!! Your advice is required in the Please Help section... |
Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 819
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 1:44 pm: |
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I think I'll forego the tactics of some on this board, and NOT run crying to Dave like a baby with a full diaper when I feel I've been personally attacked. Instead, I'll just comment on what I think is dumb.
Believing that invasion of Iraq was justified because they supported terrorists, but invasion of Saudi Arabia wasn't, because they don't.
It doesn't get much dumber than that, folks. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3267
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:05 pm: |
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Madden:
Isn't it already an established fact that many of Bin Laden's family were sent back to Saudi Arabia just after 9/11? |
Brokeback Straw
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6848
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:17 pm: |
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Oh, you mean the same Saudi Arabia that Bin Laden himself was kicked out of? |
Madden 11
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Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 821
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:26 pm: |
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Are there really people out there dumb enough to believe that Saudi Arabia has no ties to al-Qaida? Holy ignorance...talk about dumb post of the day. Wow. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3269
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
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Do you trust BBC?
Italics mine...
Tuesday, 18 September, 2001, 16:31 GMT 17:31 UK
Who is Osama Bin Laden?
Osama Bin Laden: Has called for a holy war against the US
Osama Bin Laden is both one of the CIA's most wanted men and a hero to many young people in the Arab world.
He and his associates were already being sought by the US on charges of international terrorism, including in connection with the 1998 bombing of American embassies in Africa and last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen.
Shadowy figure
Born in Saudi Arabia
Fought against Soviets in Afghanistan
Ploughed inherited fortune into armed activities
Rarely seen in public
Reported to have at least three wives
In May this year a US jury convicted four men believed to be linked with Bin Laden of plotting the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
Bin Laden, an immensely wealthy and private man, has been granted a safe haven by Afghanistan's ruling Taleban movement.
During his time in hiding, he has called for a holy war against the US, and for the killing of Americans and Jews. He is reported to be able to rally around him up to 3,000 fighters.
He is also suspected of helping to set up Islamic training centres to prepare soldiers to fight in Chechnya and other parts of the former Soviet Union.
Sponsored by US and Pakistan
His power is founded on a personal fortune earned by his family's construction business in Saudi Arabia.
Attacks linked to Bin Laden
1993 World Trade Centre bomb
1996 Killing of 19 US soldiers in Saudi
Nairobi and Dar es Salaam bombs
2000 Attack on USS Cole in Yemen
Born in Saudi Arabia to a Yemeni family, Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
The Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
(kicked out, Straw?
He received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian.
While in Afghanistan, he founded the Maktab al-Khidimat (MAK), which recruited fighters from around the world and imported equipment to aid the Afghan resistance against the Soviet army.
Egyptians, Lebanese, Turks and others - numbering thousands in Bin Laden's estimate - joined their Afghan Muslim brothers in the struggle against an ideology that spurned religion.
Turned against the US
After the Soviet withdrawal, the "Arab Afghans", as Bin Laden's faction came to be called, turned their fire against the US and its allies in the Middle East.
Bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia to work in the family construction business, but was expelled in 1991 because of his anti-government activities there.
He spent the next five years in Sudan until US pressure prompted the Sudanese Government to expel him
Sudan, Straw, not Saudi Arabia...)
, whereupon Bin Laden returned to Afghanistan.
Terrorism experts say Bin Laden has been using his millions to fund attacks against the US.
The US State Department calls him "one of the most significant sponsors of Islamic extremist activities in the world today".
According to the US, Bin Laden was involved in at least three major attacks - the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1996 killing of 19 US soldiers in Saudi Arabia, and the 1998 bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
Islamic front
BBC correspondent James Robbins says Bin Laden had "all but admitted involvement" in the Saudi Arabia killings.
Some experts say he is part of an international Islamic front, bringing together Saudi, Egyptian and other groups.
Their rallying cry is the liberation of Islam's three holiest places - Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem.
Analysts say Bin Laden's organisation is very different from the groups that carried out bombings and hijackings in the past in that it is not a tightly knit group with a clear command structure but a loose coalition of groups operating across continents.
American officials believe Bin Laden's associates may operate in over forty countries - in Europe and North America, as well as in the Middle East and Asia.
The few outsiders who have met Bin Laden describe him as modest, almost shy. He rarely gives interviews.
He is believed to be in his 40s, and to have at least three wives.
Of course, I don't agree with Madden's proposal for invading Saudi Arabia, nor do I agree that it would have been a good idea in place of the invasion of Iraq.
However, Saudi Arabia certainly seemed to have many more ties to Bin Laden than Iraq did.
Further invasion will simply incite more to join Al Qaida, and will aggravate Iraqis toward civil war.
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Brokeback Straw
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6850
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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"Is there really people out there dumb enough to believe that Saudi Arabia has no ties to al-Qaida? Holy ignorance...talk about dumb post of the day. Wow."
Ties with Saudi Arabia? What? You think the U.S could have invaded Saudi Arabia and the world would not be outraged? You think the U.S. (Clinton, Bush, whomever) saying, "oh, the Saudi gov't supports Al Qaeda", would fly?" With whom? The UN, Europe? The American liberals?
OTHER THAN YOURSELF IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD AGREE THE SAUDI ARABIA IS OBVIOUSLY GUILTY OF CRIMES COMMITTED ON 911 AND AS A RESULT THE U.S SHOULD DECLARE WAR??
unreal.. Why don't you just say you hate Bush but politically speaking you have no idea what's going on. At least that way you'll make a little sense.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3064
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Hmmm, looks like someone needs to read more carefully before posting quotes
"Bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia to work in the family construction business, but was expelled in 1991 because of his anti-government activities there.
He spent the next five years in Sudan until US pressure prompted the Sudanese Government to expel him
Sudan, Straw, not Saudi Arabia...) "
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3065
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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Straw, I agree with you that we should not have declared war on Saudi Arabia--on the other hand, Iraq was not involved in 9/11 and we did declare war on that land. |
Brokeback Straw
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6852
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:34 pm: |
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That's not the point..Madden11 says he supports a full invasion of Saudi Arabia.. However, he under no circumstances supports a war in Iraq.
I mean what the heck? That argument considering the death toll we've taken in Iraq is a god damn insult. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 722
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:39 pm: |
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Don't worry any of you. Haven't you heard. The Arab Street is going to topple regime after regime and pretty soon the entire Middle East will invade Europe and start the movement westward.
So it doesn't really matter we did or didn't invade. We will get our chance soon enough to bomb all of them. What happens when the street become the government. Do we still refer to them as the street? |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3270
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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You mean, like Hamas?
ESL: You are right. I stand corrected. There's one problem, though. Middle Eastern nations have tribal (kinship) and religious ties that cut across national boundaries. Shiites in one country could be closer to Shiites in another country, than Iraqis to Iraqis, as we are now seeing. So just because "Saudi Arabian government" or Sudanese government expel BL, it doesn't mean there weren't factions in each country who maintained, and still maintain allegiance.
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Madden 11
Citizen
Username: Madden_11
Post Number: 824
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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Madden11 says he supports a full invasion of Saudi Arabia.. However, he under no circumstances supports a war in Iraq.
Straw, your reading comprehension is so poor, you could grow up to be President some day. Typical Wacky Winger...when they can't win an argument, they start stripping away context, and willfully misrepresenting the other side.
I mean, how do you have a discussion with someone who is so incredibly dim that he doesn't believe there are ties between Saudi Arabia and bin Laden? "OK, you've convinced me...the sky is green and the grass is blue. Now let's go watch some Fox News!" |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 723
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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yes tulip, I mean like Hamas. And what have they done since they have been in power? That's my point, all of the chicken littles are hilarious. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
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Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 866
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 5:02 pm: |
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Madden 11 & tulip-
Of course there is a connection between OBL and SA. He is from there you goofs.
I see tulipitis is becoming rampant.
-SLK |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5251
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 6:44 pm: |
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Get a load of the "Al Qada attempted suicide bombing of the Saudi oil refineries." They've been reading this thread and they're trying to throw us all off. Foj and Tulip -- undeterred and thank God that America has them. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 4416
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 8:00 pm: |
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come on, southerner, hamas has been in power for, like, twenty-five minutes so far. we don't know how that's going to turn out. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 728
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:22 pm: |
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tom,
These are the guys who have called for the destruction of Israel. What are they waiting for? The simple fact is they can't back up their words. It is all empty rhetoric. And now that they are in power if they don't deliver to the Palestinian people what they promised they will fall out of favor in the near future. Marches and rants of "Death to Israel" only takes one so far. At some point these folks might want clean drinking water and sewage free roads.
From where I sit, Hamas is in a very precarious situation. The first indication of hostility will be all Israel needs to hit them hard. Israel always held back a bit because Hamas wasn't "running" Palestine from the front. Now that they are Israel doesn't have to pretend to be dealing with a figurehead.
And not to burst your bubble, we do know how it's going to turn out. Palestine is going to continue to be a desolate 3rd world area. If the all mighty Arafat couldn't destroy Israel then these 3rd generation group of wannabe's won't be able to do much. So in summary, nothing will change and more flags will be burned. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3273
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:38 pm: |
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cjc: You don't think that the "finding" that it was Al Qaida (do we know it was definitely they?) attempting to attack oil refineries in Saudi Arabia PROVES that Al Qaida is an enemy of Saudi Arabia, do you? It doesn't prove anything about alliances or opposing sides. You don't HAVE clear nations against nations, factions against national governments, or factions against factions in the Middle East. That's the point. These are ancient societies with multiple and intersecting factional, national, cultural, religious, social and class groups. You can't pinpoint one nation as taking this side or that side, friend or foe. Nor can you anticipate or predict what will happen in the Middle East politically. It's entirely unpredictable, if anything at all. I don't see that the CIA, the US government, the president, are acting as though they realize this. An explosion in Saudi Arabia should not be surprising, nor should it be indicative of anything, in terms of the government's position on counter-terrorism.
Mark my words.
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CFA
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Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1580
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 1:30 am: |
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Madden...instead of fuzzy math, here we have fuzzy grammar. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3275
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 7:02 am: |
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CFA: You don't find clear delineations between factions, between nations, between political sides, because in the Middle East, other demarcations exist to form alliances. What about this don't you understand?
Do you need a diagram?
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CFA
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Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1582
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 4:40 pm: |
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I wasn't even talking about your post, but if you'd like to draw me a diagram, I'll be happy to look at it. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2411
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Where is this country of Palestine Southerner keeps mentioning? |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3278
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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CFA: I admit that for the past hour, I have been struggling to copy a Venn diagram for you onto the message board. I couldn't do it. If you imagine a Venn diagram with about five or six circles, overlapping, creating all kinds of new sets, that's how the national, cultural, linguistic, religious, social, economic and political groups overlap and intersect in the Middle East. It's not like Europe where you simply have French Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims, Dutch Lutherans, Catholics, etc.etc.
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llama
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Username: Llama
Post Number: 731
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 7:33 pm: |
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There is absolutely no doubt that this is the dumbest post." It's really no fair because this poster has a distinct advantage over everyone here.
"I will do my best to update this column on a regular basis. It's not as if I'm going to be short of material thanks to the radical misinformed left here on MOL." |
MBJ
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Username: Mbj
Post Number: 168
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 9:01 am: |
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Straw really gets your panties bunched, doesn't he Lllama? |
Brokeback Straw
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6873
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 9:23 am: |
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MBJ
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Username: Mbj
Post Number: 169
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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If you give out a monthly award, this one has to be one of the top contenders:
"The position to sell the ports to this Middle Eastern company and the resulting outrage were anticipated, and it was all orchestrated. The timing of that, and the partial birth abortion Supreme Court case, and maybe even the delay in announcing the hunting accident, was planned to obfuscate and change the subject away from the Wilson case.
They must be really guilty, to be able to take the heat on the port sale, as the lesser of two evils in the place of the heat about outing a classified CIA agent by claiming the VP has the authority to declassify information.
Think about how all these outrageous events have taken place all at once.
There must be something to hide."
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llama
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Username: Llama
Post Number: 732
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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MJB,
No.He just needs to be "wiped" once in a while. |
CFA
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Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1583
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 8:54 pm: |
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Tulip. Thank you for that narrative, it was quite helpful. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3281
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
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MBJ: I have shut up. Why don't you?
CFA: If you're serious, you're welcome.
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