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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 989
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 7:41 pm: | 
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Iraqi war is over-- Iran won.
That about sums it up- right? |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5097
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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Yeah, no matter what your political persuasion, it seems that Iran is better off now.
Saddam Hussein was "zoomin' " the Iranians about WMD. The Bush Administration took the bait, and knocked down Saddam's house of cards. Now, the Iranian regime has one less thing to worry about, and another thing to point to, for their rabid anti-Americanism.
Let's see - Saddam is shown to be powerless, Americans do something that can be used to demonize us, and Iran's friends are major players in the new Iraq government -
In the words of George W. Bush - they "hit the Trifecta". |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 725
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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Don't worry. We all know Israel will take out Iran then it will be our turn again. All these so called threatening Arab regimes are paper tigers. But they have some chest thumping good demonstrations which are great theater when the cameras are rolling. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 991
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 9:44 pm: |
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Israel is gong to what?
Invade- Nuke? What? And what will be the response?
I dunno-- Israel maybe hancuffed on this one. I don't see Israel doing squat to Iran. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 727
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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The response? They will burn more American flags and pound their chest even harder. We are talking about countries that say Israel should be destroyed, yet there Israel is, existing.
Don't you think if these Islamic nations had the ability to do anything they would have. Maybe I missed something but haven't they called for a jihad about every 3 minutes the last 30 years?
Israel will take out any nuclear reactor and military bases Iran has when the time is right. I doubt they will use nukes. They wouldn't have to.
You say Israel is handcuffed, I say Syria, Lebanon, and Iran are handcuffed. These countries are paper tigers and Israel won't need our help when they launch the planes. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2390
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 12:42 am: |
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Southerner, you assume Israel is omniscient, and knows where all Iran's enrichment facilities are, and is able to penetrate them. There are rumors that they are underground, and inaccessible by current munitions, nukes included.
Assuming these rumors are true, how would you expect Israel to "take out Iran?" |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 731
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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Rastro,
I hear you but I don't buy into the "24" scenarios of cloak and dagger stuff especially by a group like the Iranian government. And if you don't think Israel and the U.S. knows where these facilities are then you must be seriously worried about everything. Do you really believe that Israel is going to allow a nation that calls for it's destruction to obtain nuclear weapons? It comes down to military power. Israel has more than all those tinpot dictators combined. Don't buy into the rhetoric. We've been hearing this same stuff from these guys for decades. How many banks have been robbed with a guy using his finger in his coat pocket? Israel is no longer a 20 year old bank teller. |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 390
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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Southerner: "if you don't think Israel and the U.S. knows where these facilities are then you must be seriously worried about everything". Well it turns out we didn't know a damned thing about Iraq's weapons programs - or lack thereof. Either we got it terribly wrong, or we (the American public) was hoodwinked by an Administration that, in fact, knew better. Why do you assume that our intelligence on Iran is suddenly bullet proof?
And was Saddam a paper tiger too? |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 391
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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Southerner: "if you don't think Israel and the U.S. knows where these facilities are then you must be seriously worried about everything". Well it turns out we didn't know a damned thing about Iraq's weapons programs - or lack thereof. Either we got it terribly wrong, or we (the American public) was hoodwinked by an Administration that, in fact, knew better. Why do you assume that our intelligence on Iran is suddenly bullet proof?
And was Saddam a paper tiger too? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 732
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 5:54 pm: |
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Twokitties,
Of course we knew Saddam had no WMD. Us conservatives completely pulled the wool over, not the American public, but your elected Democrat Representatives. How many did we get to authorize the illegal war? It was a thing of beauty and even after we did it, we still got re-elected. As far as Iran goes, give it time and you will see. Israel will strike when they need to. Unlike American liberals they don't base decisions on empty rhetoric and street demonstrations. And yes, Saddam was a paper tiger. But when he tried to kill the old man what did you expect the son to do? |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 392
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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Southerner: Let me make sure I understand where you stand.
You beleive that the adminsistration knew that Saddam was a paper tiger and posed no real threat to America; that the Administration had the evidence to support this view and knowingly ignored it, misrepresented it or outright lied to the American public, the American Military, the families of our servicemen and women and our Allies about the degreee of his capabilities?
I just want to make sure. I tend to agree with this asessment, but defending it is where we are going to have significant differences. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1373
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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The strengthening of Iran's regime makes it even more difficult for true reforms to take place there. Empty political theorizing aside, this is a bad thing for those who wish to be free. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 100
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
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Southerner: You are admitting conservatives knew there were no WMD's and lied us into war in Iraq, where 2,300 Americans have lost their lives and more than 12,000 have been injured. Yet you call it a "thing of beauty" that democrats fell for the lies and authorized the war. I have read and heard much on this board and other places about the Iraq war, pro and con, but your statement ranks as the most cowardly, usurious, and unpatriotic thing I have ever read about it.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2395
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
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The view of Israel as an all-powerful deterrent of nukyular growth in the region is absurd. We're not talking about ridiculous levels of "cloak and dagger" stuff. We're simply talking about hiding or fortifying a facility. Your assumption that Israel can do this (we all assume Israel has nukes in hidden facilities), and believing this to be impossible in Iran, is ridiculous.
As has been shown time and again (recently, but also throughout history), intelligence groups work hard, but often get it completely wrong. Look at Clinton's bombing of factories in Libya and Afghanistan (I'm going by memory, so I might have the countries incorrect).
The point is, if you're assuming Israel can and will take care of Iran on its own, I hope you have a backup plan. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10815
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
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Until they either develop (or we sell to them) in flight refueling capability Iran is outside the Israeli's sphere, unless they decide to become true suicide bombers. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4421
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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Harper's magazine is estimating that the Iraq war costs each individual American taxpayer $20,000.
How do the people who are nickel-and-diming the school district feel about this expense? |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5794
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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thats a mighty non sequitor there Tom. Despite being an interesting fact. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2400
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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betty, recognize that to Southerner, there is no right and wrong, only Right and Left. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4423
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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meant as another illustration of how we're losing. Maybe Halliburton won. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 1:39 pm: |
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Death and destruction are very profitable if you know how to exploit it. |
MBJ
Citizen
Username: Mbj
Post Number: 167
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 1:49 pm: |
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Betty, you obviously need help in recognizing sarcasm when you see it. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 101
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 2:37 pm: |
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That was sarcasm? Are you sure? I definitely didn't recognize it as sarcasm. But now that I think about it, it must be sarcasm because that would be the only explanation for such a comment. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 733
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:08 pm: |
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bettyd,
Stick around a while and you might get it. Of course, if you don't have an open mind then you won't. It must be so nice living in a world where the Republicans cause all the problems. If you live in that world then you better just get use to it because we aren't going to lose power. And we will continue to degrade civil rights and invade innocent countries. If that affects your sensibilities then I apologize but politics is a rough sport. |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 103
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:07 am: |
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You must have loved Kristallnacht in a prior life. |
Scrotis Lo Knows
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 888
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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bettyd-
Holy sh*t, if you couldn't recognize the sarcasm in Southerners post I would hate to see what you can recognize....
This continues to prove what I have always thought. Liberals have this childish mentality that boils down to "repubs/cons are evil."
Is it unresolved anger towards their parents?
Beats me....
-SLK
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bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 104
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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SLK, I'm glad my one post proves what you have always thought about liberals and you can correctly identify the source of my political leanings-unresolved anger towards my parents. I am blown away at your astute observation. Your post proves what I have always thought about conservatives. They are judgmental, narrowminded, and not forward looking. Or were you just being sarcastic? By the way, maybe I was being sarcastic above and it was you who failed to pick up on it, proving that you perhaps are truly a liberal with unresolved anger issues. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1618
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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Bettyd:
I think that you will find that with Scrotis, it's always a) a case of projection and b) his continued gloating because a while back he won an Olympic gold medal in jumping to conclusions--- enough said. |
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