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     tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4425 Registered: 5-2001 |
His approval ratings are down to 34%. If there's some kind of Mendoza Line for approval ratings, he's gotta be there. In the same poll, 2/3 of those polled say he hasn't done enough post-Katrina. Seven out of ten think the port deal is a dumbass idea, or something to that effect. The port deal has the now-almost-obligatory insider dealing-slash-cronyism aspect as well.
The third part of the trifecta is the letter signed by 50 U.S. Governors (pop quiz: if 50 governors signed it, did not sign it? How many of them were Republicans?) opposing the plans for the National Guard. I thought Bush was supposed to be Mr. Defense? But keep it coming. Every unbelievably nutty thing he does makes it less likely he'll be able to screw up the tax code or social security. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 742 Registered: 2-2004 |
And your point is what? That Rove is a freakin genius and Gore and Kerry are political lightweights. Screw up the tax code? How could you even utter such words. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4426 Registered: 5-2001 |
All the big ideas that I've heard they have involve shifting the burden even more off of the wealthy and the people with unearned income, so making it worse would be all in a day's work for these guys, by my estimation. Not to get into the whole 2000 election thing again, but I really must remind you that a) that Gore got more votes; and b) it was six years ago. Cheney's approval rating is at 18%. Say that, slowly -- e-i-g-h-t-e-e-n - p-e-r-c-e-n-t. Andrew Johnson probably had a higher rating than that after he showed up drunk at his inauguration. } | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 14652 Registered: 10-2001  |
Please make sure that you hold Madeleine Albright up to the same standards of disgust that you reserve for Bush on this deal. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3082 Registered: 5-2001  |
34%?! And 18% for Cheney?! Soon, we may be able to count the number of people, out of a hundred, who approve of the job they're doing - combined - on our fingers and toes!! BAAAH HAA HAA HAA HAA HAAAAA!!! The nation is waking up. | ||
| Brokeback Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6871 Registered: 10-2001  |
Notehead wants America to fail. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1590 Registered: 8-2004  |
Poor Harry Truman . In 1952 his approval ratings were down to 25%. He didn't get a chance for another term. This will definately hurt Bush's re election chances. | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5263 Registered: 8-2003 |
tom -- Bush's last tax cuts increased the overall share of income taxes paid by the wealthy. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1592 Registered: 8-2004 |
Upon further review this is another bogus poll. It includes no likely voters just adults. In addition check out the breakdown: Democrats: 37.4% (381) Republicans: 28.4% (289) Independents: 34.2% (348) Bush's approval ratings are definately dropping as a result of " Arabs Taking over Port Security" headlines, but 34% is a bit low. Rasmussen daily poll is down from 49 to 43 over the past two weeks. This is more accurate. | ||
| notehead Supporter Username: Notehead Post Number: 3083 Registered: 5-2001 |
Straw is wrong, as usual. I want America to wake up. And it is. | ||
| Brokeback Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 6875 Registered: 10-2001 |
America never went to sleep. Why do you have such issue with your fellow Americans. Can you ever say anything kind about us? | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 886 Registered: 10-2005 |
all too predictable...both the poll and responses..the usual suspects piling on while offering no solutions of their own. Just looking at everything like true partisans would.... As straw would say...boring... notey- This makes me think of another Smith lyric... "It's so easy to laugh It's so easy to hate It takes strength to be gentle and kind Over, over, over, over It's so easy to laugh It's so easy to hate It takes guts to be gentle and kind " -SLK | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4427 Registered: 5-2001 |
the change in the latest round of cuts is just a blip in a larger pattern. The next round will turn it back around, and more. http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1385 Registered: 5-2001 |
Guy, Approval-rating polls are taken by Americans at large, not "likely voters." | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 839 Registered: 10-2004  |
tom - eventually there will be a backlash and the rich will have to once again pay a fair share. --- and then I woke up --- | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1593 Registered: 8-2004 |
dave, Bush scores better in polls using likely voters. The breakdown of Dems to Reps skews the poll. Hoops and Tom : 1999 Marg Tax rates : 0-26K 15% 25-62K 28% 62-130K 31% 130-283K 36% 283K 39.6 % 2005: 0-7K 10% 7-29K 15% 29-71K 25% 71-150K 28% 150-326K 33% 326k 35% Were the rich paying their fair share in 1999 ? Looks like the middle class got a bigger percentage cut than the rich. You want a more fair tax system? How about a flat tax that will do away with alot of the tax shelters for the rich. Also take care of the AMT. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2431 Registered: 5-2004  |
Guy, while I don;'t think the changes to the tax structure haqve decimated the middle class, your own data belies what you say. Assuming that in NJ, middle class is the 62-130k and 71k-150k lines, then the top tier actually went down more (~11.6% decrease) than the "middle class" (~9.7%) Though I'm sure if we used actual salaries, things might look different. Personally, I'd like to simply eleminate all deductions other than property taxes (I say that as a NJ resident!), which would get rid of the AMT. Then they could reduce the overall rates. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4429 Registered: 5-2001 |
[deleted because of stupid math on my part. back later] | ||
| dave23 Citizen Username: Dave23 Post Number: 1388 Registered: 5-2001 |
Guy, I know that. But most Americans don't vote. Not voting doesn't invalidate one's opinion. Pollsters use proportions based on how voters identify themselves (which explains the large group of Independents). Republicans vote in greater percentages than Democrats, thus your wish they use so-called likely voters. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1594 Registered: 8-2004 |
Rastro, you need to factor in the AMT for the rich to get the whole picture. I am for everyone paying their fair share. The tax cuts reduced everybody's taxes, especially the poor. GWB, compassionate conservative. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2440 Registered: 5-2004 |
Guy, i figured there was something missing. Just that the rates you posted didn't quite support your comments. I would be all in favor of getting rid of every single deduction (other than taxes - I hate the idea of being taxes twice). Then there is no reason for the AMT. The whole point of it is to eliminate the alibity to reduce one's taxes absurdly through deductions. No deductions, no need for the AMT. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1945 Registered: 8-2003  |
It's always better to look at multiple data sources over a longer period of time:  | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2449 Registered: 5-2004 |
Dr. O'B, very telling. Where is that from? | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1946 Registered: 8-2003 |
the poll data resides here: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm the person who graphed it has it on his blog here: http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/polls/bushjob.html | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 745 Registered: 2-2004 |
I'm rooting for both of them to get down to 10% and then watch another Republican Congress be sworn in. Those post election posts would be priceless. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1947 Registered: 8-2003 |
personally, I'm not sure Bush's putrid JA scores will translate into any gains for the Dems either. I mean, after all there's apparently no accounting for the breathtakingly deep and persistent stupidity of voters in places like Georgia. | ||
| Southerner Citizen Username: Southerner Post Number: 746 Registered: 2-2004 |
Is this 2000 all over again? If so, I'm thrilled! | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5264 Registered: 8-2003 |
And New Jersey voters are smart? That's a tough sell. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1948 Registered: 8-2003 |
you can find the ranking of states by intelligence here, in inverse order: http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StateBushApproval060216Approval.htm | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5266 Registered: 8-2003 |
It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't think, and New Jersey proves it every day. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1949 Registered: 8-2003 |
whatever. we're smart enough to spot an empty suit. we sent Doug Forrester home with nothing not once, but twice. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5106 Registered: 10-1999  |
Nice return, Dr.!  | ||
| cjc Citizen Username: Cjc Post Number: 5268 Registered: 8-2003 |
If Forrester is an empty suit, what was Corzine, Torricelli and McGreevey? You can argue their suits weren't empty, but what were they full of? "New Jersey -- Where Voters are Smart" How come that didn't make it as the state slogan? Put it on a billboard, but not on a highway as it will cause accidents. | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1950 Registered: 8-2003 |
as entertaining as it is to read your shots at NJ, I'd prefer to see you explain how a semi-sentient, halfway-paying attention person can still try to assert that Bush is doing a good job, which was my original point. not that they agree with his philosophies, or why he's better than John Kerry, but how on earth anyone can say Bush has been successful at his job. the only reasons I can fathom are that a person would have to be stupid, stubborn, or delusional. but maybe you have a long list of wonderful accomplishments of George W. Bush. I'll get you started: 1) tax cuts. after that, I think it gets tougher to come up with stuff. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 4430 Registered: 5-2001 |
stupid, stubborn, delusional, bought and paid for. | ||
| Scrotis Lo Knows Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 897 Registered: 10-2005 |
cjc- Why bother with Dr. O'Boogie who constantly proves he can't see beyond partisan politics? And that is all it boils down too. That he is smart guy in a smart state (because he said so)and he wants everyone to know about it. cjc, haven't you figured out by now that it is always about them? Dr. O'Boogie: Ok, Bush isn't do it so hot. Stop hyping your highly debatable "I told you so" arrogance and offer some suggestions on what to do about the situation. -SLK | ||
| Dr. Winston O'Boogie Citizen Username: Casey Post Number: 1951 Registered: 8-2003 |
slk, the "situation" of this thread was that most Americans are finally catching on that Bush isn't as you say "so hot." I'm not a smart enough guy to figure out suggestions on what to do about it. With W as president for 3 more years, there's not much more to say to those who are just getting it now than "I told you so." and the only people who are being "partisan" in the debate on Bush's job performance are those who stubbornly continue to insist that he's doing a good job. by any objecitve measure, the really big centerpieces of his administration (Iraq, Medicare drug bill, creation of DHS, etc,) have been bungled big time. | ||
| kendalbill Citizen Username: Kendalbill Post Number: 118 Registered: 6-2002 |
Good Dr, I agree. I honestly don't care about the poll numbers themselves. I care more about the job the guy is doing and the way people are responding to his performance. Long time back Guy pointed out that Truman was at 25%-- yet I think I could come up with reasons why Truman was a good president. Even taking away the rose colored glasses of history, in the moment in 1952 I could have pointed out some areas that were changed for the better under Truman. I have asked this on other threads and have never heard a good answer: is Bush competent? Has he fulfilled any promise sucessfully? And I don't think I have received any rational answer from a Bush supporter. Look, I know its easy to throw stones at the guy, and these times are hard (he told me so, right?) but what has the guy done right? I never thought I'd say this, but I yearn for the golden days of George Bush Sr. At least back then we had a competent grown up in the White House. | ||
| Guy Supporter Username: Vandalay Post Number: 1599 Registered: 8-2004 |
bill, I find it hard to believe you would have supported Truman given the Atomic Bomb, Korean War, and seizing steel mills to name a few. I view the Presidents main job as national security and foreign policy. I view him as competent on both. I will leave the social programs to Congress. Leadership is not a popularity contest. | ||
| Madden 11 Citizen Username: Madden_11 Post Number: 833 Registered: 12-2003 |
Leadership is not a popularity contest. Lucky for the President. |
