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Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1788
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 2:21 pm: | 
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As we start the fourth year of our misadventures in Iraq, let's forget for a moment the reckless ineptitude of Bush and Rumsfeld who waged the war on the cheap, and put aside for a moment the escalating sectarian violence that seems to be leading to the inevitable civil war, to remember the words of our commander in chief on that glorious day May 1, 2003:
"Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
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The SLK Effect
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 24
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 957
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:39 pm: |
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It might bore people such as you SLK, but its not boring it is in fact sad. Its sad for the soldiers still serving in Iraq, its sad for their families and the families of the soldiers who are still being killed on the average of 2 a day.
There is nothing even remotely boring about that statement by Bush. Its entirely sad.
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Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1789
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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Seriously, though, I feel like that was the most coherent and intellegent post Scrotis has made to date.
ae: good one. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3366
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 5:28 pm: |
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I rush to draw your attention to C-Span, the former Navy Judge Advocate, JAG 1997-2000. Radm. John Hutson (Ret.) as he speaks now before a small group at the George Washington University students. He is BRILLIANT and excoriating the loss of the Geneva Conventions, the ethical values of the US, the horror of torture, etc.
Amazing how many military men have hated this war. |
The SLK Effect
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 5:44 pm: |
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I am expressing my boredom over the fact that all you lefties ever talk about is Iraq and how Bush sucks....
Try something new and different and raise your own intellectual bar beyond the talking points you hear on airhead America.
-SLK |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 833
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 6:14 pm: |
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They have nothing else. They will lose in the mid terms and once again be astonished at their loss. Oh yeah, the polls. I forgot. Same story, different year. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6013
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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Slk and Southerner... we have nothing else? Bulls**t..Most just believe that the single most important f**k up occuring right now in our government is the "war" in Iraq. So people call the president on it.
And you are right, we might well lose in the midterm, but what does that have to do with the dissatisfaction among more than just democrats with the way the operation in Iraq (and all its corrolaries like torture, sweetheart deals to well connected firms, etc) is being horrifically mismanaged. A few people found it interesting that on this anniversary of the military action in Iraq President Bush never once used the word "war" in his various addresses today. So all those men and women who died in the war on terror didn't really die in a war??? |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 836
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:12 pm: |
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The rantings of a dissatisfied member of the minority party. If the war is 3 years old and Bush won re-election 16 months ago then does that mean what I think it means? Oh yeah, the polls. I forgot. |
Michael Paris
Citizen
Username: Publius
Post Number: 6
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5289399 |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1738
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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SLK:
Quoting from you: "I am expressing my boredom over the fact that all you lefties ever talk about is Iraq and how Bush sucks...."
Nice insight.
Have you ever noticed that Iraq is about the only thing the President talks about, on a weekly and sometimes daily basis?
Yet...
He avoids illegal immigration and porous borders
He avoids the DWP deal because his administration cultivated fears about Arabs and he got what he therefore deserved
He avoids speaking about ways the government could spur job creation here at home rather than in India (and I know that CJC will say that BLS stats show job creation---but they don't when you compare the BLS stats to the more detailed and reliable Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey--known as the government's JOLTS report)
He avoids speaking about the lack of progress in securing our ports, railroads, chemical and nuclear facilities, etc.)
He avoids speaking about the enormous deficit and indebtedness that he has plunged the country into, and which neither you nor I will pay for, but our grandchildren will
He avoids speaking about his government's principal responsibility for the slow and lackluster assistance to the Gulf Coast.
The man has a poor track record of performing for the country. He may have been elected for four years in 2004, but events and time have shown that
he is simply not a good fit for the executive office. He can not get the job done. And he is afraid to change his team because without it he has no right or wrong direction at all.
I believe that it is precisely his inadequacy that rankles many Republicans, makes them defensive and agitated, and must make it seem as though you wasted your votes in 2004.
If you, as a Republican and conservative (which I take it you are, and I respect that) candidly believe that GWB is the best leader this country could get and which the country deserves, then I fear for you and I fear for the country. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1790
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:02 am: |
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Sorry Southerner: You're kind (hicks) are very dissatisfied with Bush. Certainly more and more stories like the one below will be filed in the coming months. You know nothing if you think this won't affect the midterms and 2008. Bush is blowing it for your party. Sit back, grab some BBQed possum and enjoy the show...
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/03/19/change_of_heartl and/
''It's chaos," said Roger Madaras, who voted twice for Bush. ''How many more people are going to be killed? We were going in to free the people of Iraq, but as far as I'm concerned, a lot of them are worse off today than they were under the dictatorship."
Madaras, the owner of a plumbing company, said he believed Bush when the president declared major combat to be over in May 2003, and is ''disgusted" that Bush's rhetoric was hollow. And he is far from alone.
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The SLK Effect
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:11 am: |
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RL is a typical liberal who is all about "diversity" as long as you are not a "hick" or "conservative." As long as you think like him everything is ok. Sounds bordeline tyrannical don't you think?
How arrogant of you RL, keeping showing those true colors. I thought Democrats were the "people's party"?
Innisowen/Duncan-Thank you for posting an intelligent response and can understand your beefs although I may not entirely agree with them. It is a breath of fresh air when compared to the typical, uneducated rants of tulip, hoops, RL and the likes.
But these boards are getting boring. It is turning into the "Bush Sucks" crowd pyscho therapy's office. All they ever do is whine bitch and moan but won't do anything about it.
Grow some balls RL, if you are so "outraged" start a revolution....or shut the f**k up...
-SLK
Oh yeah, I saw a yellow "Impeach Bush" sign on someone's lawn this morning while on the Jitney. I guess the new Maplewoodian trend has started huh?
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Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 405
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:17 am: |
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Nice post Innis. |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1791
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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Impeach Bush is right! ITMFA, baby!
In addition, all Bush voters should be held personally responsible for what is happening in Iraq. I say we ship them off to whatever backwoods Southerner lives in. Let 'em all further rot their decaying brains on moonshine and roadkill, and eliminate their involvement in civilized society altogether.
Scrotis: I did start a revolution, like you and that litterer. I saw a guy jaywalking yesterday and I verbally abused him. Thanks for showing me the way, tough guy.
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MBJ
Citizen
Username: Mbj
Post Number: 197
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:11 am: |
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SLK, excellent summary of Livingston. Can't take the guy seriously for the reasons you list.
Nicely done. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6017
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:12 am: |
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RL can you please explain to a fellow democrat and person who is against the current action in the middle east, how every republican should be held personally responsible for what is happening in Iraq. Is it not possible that some were genuinely snowed by GWB's campaign 2000 rhetoric and felt he would be a better president?
That is like saying that every democrat should be held responsible for what happened in Mogadishu and for US soldiers being dragged through the streets.
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Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1792
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:24 am: |
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Duncan: I was being farcical. Obviously, the Republicans who were snowed should get a pass.
MBJ: Insightful, as always. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6019
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:30 am: |
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RL, dude, you have to footnote your sarcasm, farce, etc... cause you use the same writing style for both. It gets confusing |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1743
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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I would rather not impeach or censure Bush.
The last impeachment effort drove a wedge into this society that we ALL still smart from, regardless of party, and caused all branches of government to be distracted and reduce whatever productivity they had for months.
Frankly, I'm not sure that this administration could handle an impeachment scenario any better than the previous administration, and it would distract from either pursuing the "war" to a successful conclusion (which I doubt will ever happen), or from returning us to sensible, realistic foreign and domestic policies, and would distract us further when it comes to port, rail, chemical and nuclear facility security, and from economic progress of the kind that benefits more than just the petroleum and pharmaceutical industries.
IMHO. |
The SLK Effect
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1122
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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RL,
If you consider "would you please mind picking up your cigarette pack and throwing it in the garbage" verbal abuse then you are a bigger p**y then I thought.
Would you do use a favor and inform us how you reconcile your pro-diversity beliefs with such anti-republican/conservative rants as "further rot their decaying brains on moonshine and roadkill, and eliminate their involvement in civilized society altogether"? I am really curious, where is the diversity/tolerance in that?
RL, on previous boards you have called me racist, homophobic, etc. What do they call your type that condescendingly look down on those who don't think like you?
How about ignorant a**hole?
This whole diversity thing is a sham, especially by those who heavily promote it. Why must it be forced? Can't diversity naturally progress?
God I wish I had such a simplistic political prespective (Liberals good/Conservatives bad")
like RL, hoops, tulip, etc. my life would be so much easier....
-SLK
Innis-I hear you somewhat. If anyone can't realize that Feingold, Boxer etc. are just engaging in "political posturing" then they are truly blind. To seek impeachment/censure because someone's polls numbers are low (as Feingold has admitted)is purely political...
Southerner, our beloved "hick"/political guru, do you agree?
-SLK |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 961
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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SLK - truly you are the most revolting and close-minded poster on MOL. Far worse then Straw who at least is well meaining in his non political postings.
Every one of your posts is about one thing - trying to prove to the readers how clever and how superior you are. Well I have news for you - your posts have exactly the opposite effect. You show yourself to be petty in the extreme, insecure in your person and frankly largely uninformed. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8949
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
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SLK is on vacation |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1748
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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SLK:
You misunderstand me. Seeking impeachment or censure now is not a gain for the nation because there are too many other problems that we face due to this administration's incompetence.
That level of incompetence + impeachment or censure hearings would take our collective eye off the ball. Someone, some party, some entity, needs to accomplish something positive in this four year administration.
I would rather that those in both parties who are disgusted with "Team Screw-Up" in the White House, would use their collective energies to get something done.
Let Nero/GWB fiddle away in the WH about how "hard" it is to spread freedom, and let Cheney rant on about how Iraq was part of 9/11. Let them both run roughshod over career generals who don't disagree because they don't want to put their full pensions in jeopardy.
Let the rest of the country try to do something.
Let the current resident of the WH continue to collect dust and become increasingly irrelevant.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 839
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 5:36 pm: |
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I love this. SLK, don't try and understand them. Here is my conclusion. True New Jersey libs are so irate at their fellow liberals for voting for Bush that they have no outlet for their frustration. They can't really lash out at their fellow Dems because they realize they need these "hicks" to help get back Congress. So, they attack Republicans as if we are their problem. The Republicans are the least of the Democrats problems. They think they have a big tent but they are realizing a big tent with no walls allows folks to wander. And enough of them have wandered over the past 12 years to get us to this point. I truly can't wait to read RL's posts when the Republicans maintain control. Somehow, they will try and claim victory. Meantime, we keep pushing our agenda down their throats and listen to them squeal. Priceless. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13128
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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How 'bout them Jets?
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Freshwater Films
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6035
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:21 pm: |
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It is so unbelievably pathetic to read things like this
Quote:Meantime, we keep pushing our agenda down their throats and listen to them squeal.
Cause that is certainly the higher purpose of American Representitive Democracy.
Southerner, you are the lowest form of Bush Supporter I have encountered. Engaging in nothing more than sophmoric belligerence. You are a disgrace to your party. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 840
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:44 pm: |
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And I know you have high regard for my party. Your entire party is a disgrace which is why they have been rejected. Your liberal excessive whining and moaning for 6 years is what is truly sad. Instead of building a solid foundation from which to regain power, you have wasted away 6 years. And yes, we will continue to stick it to you guys for as long as we are in power. And that will be for awhile. If you can't handle it then you should move to Fojland where liberals matter. I'm sorry for throwing some cold water on your big liberal MOL party. Please carry on. So Bush's polls numbers are low you say. |
Free SLK!
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 438
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:48 pm: |
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Duncan, try reading some of Livingston's posts sometime... |
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