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cjc
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Post Number: 5406
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 8:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Earthquake_Roulette.html

More Californians forgo quake insurance

By SCOTT LINDLAW
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER


Charlie Bott is seen at his home in San Francisco on Friday, March 10, 2006. Bott got an offer in the mail recently for earthquake insurance, he stared long and hard at the bottom line. Then he threw it away. Californians have built vast metropolises atop seismic faults, but 86 percent of the state's homeowners have no quake insurance, a proportion that has crept upward as memories of past quakes fade. (AP Photo/Jakub Mosur, File)


SAN FRANCISCO -- When Charlie Bott got an offer in the mail recently for earthquake insurance, he stared long and hard at the bottom line. Then he threw it away.

"It was way beyond anything you pay for house insurance. Not even in the same league," said Bott, a nuclear engineer with a baby on the way.

Now, like millions of others, he is hoping that the Big One doesn't strike, and if it does, that the government will come to the rescue."

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tjohn
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Post Number: 4152
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 5:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interesting. I would have thought that quake insurance was required in order to secure a mortgage.
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Freshwater Films
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think that, like flood insurance, there should be mandatory quake insurance. I just did a test application for quake insurance in San Francisco. My "house" was a two story home with a finished basement, had 1800 square feet of living space, was built in 1956 (a year after the quake construction requirements were enacted) and I required 500,000 of coverage and my yearly quake insurance bill was 2,880.00.

Now I may be waaayyy off but that doesn't seem like an amount that would make me throw away the paper and count on the gov't. Now I realize that many who live in SF cannot afford a home much less insurance, but those that do and choose not to should not be given federal support. And I am a democrat. Go figure.
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cjc
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's right up there with those on the Mississippi or any other river that semi-annually floods it's banks. You can't blame them. They've been conditioned to depend on the government because they see it going on elsewhere, so why bother?
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dave23
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A $500,000 house has a $75,000 deductible.
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themp
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Post Number: 2694
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"It's right up there with those on the Mississippi or any other river that semi-annually floods it's banks. You can't blame them. They've been conditioned to depend on the government because they see it going on elsewhere, so why bother?"

Flood insurance is a business-friendly subsidy to developers, by and large.

Although as I understand it, if your property is inundated and disappears, lets say in a hurricane, you get compensation for the structure, but not the land value. Might not be too much.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Post Number: 2006
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 1:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

non-story.

how many San Franciscans without earthquake insurance went running to the feds for money after the '89 quake? and if they did, it would have been in the form of loans, not grants anyway.

the article makes it clear that people aren't buying the insurance because it's a bad deal. high deductibles and high premiums. I'm sure the typical homeowner will take out a home equity loan and repair their property if it's damaged in a quake. typically, U.S. homes are far better able to withstand a quake than a hurricane, so comparisons to LA or FL are apples and oranges.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 5:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree that there should be laws requiring insurance where it makes sense. That way, people won't take undue risks. Individuals can't assess risks as well as insurance companies who have a lot of data and also have a lot of money at stake.

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Bob K
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 6:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Haven't been involved with quake insurance in any detail, but in the past in the past in addition to the first loss deductible, the 75k Dave23 mentions, there was a ten to twenty percent coinsurance clause, meaning you only collect 80 to 90 percent of your loss in excess of the 75k deductible.

For home insurance the flood program is underwritten and sponsored by the Federal government. A lot of people feel that the existence of the coverage has caused overbuilding in high risk coastal areas.
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The Libertarian
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 7:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree that there should be laws requiring insurance where it makes sense. That way, people won't take undue risks.

MY GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE MOMMY AND DADDY!!!!
I WANT MY GOVERNMENT TO PUT SOFT PADDING ON EVERYTHING SHARP AND RUB MY TUMMY AT NIGHT!!!

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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Libertarian, my point is that I don't want the government bailing people out. They should make informed choices. But information is not as obvious as we'd like it to be. Do you understand actuarial tables? Most of us just pay our insurance premiums without asking to see the tables.

If insurance is not required, people will not know the risks, and they won't be paying the true cost of setting up shop in risky places. I want them to pay. Don't you?

I recently read that the reason cities grew and thrived after the 18th century was because of laws that required fire insurance. In places where people couldn't afford it, people didn't build.

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