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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5536
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 4:40 pm: | 
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......wow......lightbulbs everywhere......sheesh |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1649
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Your use of the words "them" and "they" pretty much undermines any point you think you might have. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1710
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 5:01 pm: |
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SLicK, no I have changed my opinions about Republicans. I now see that they are all smart, it's just you who is stupid.  |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4725
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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Quote:After all the help we gave Muslims in The Balkans, and they thank us with 9/11?
Priceless. Like the Wahabis have any use for other branches of the religion.
Transpose religions: If we help out Irish Catholics, do we expect the Protestants in the north to thank us for it? They're all Christian, after all, aren't they?
You've really got to get over your bitterness over the Balkan war. The genocide was stopped, Milosovic was removed, we suffered zero casualties in the effort. The fact that it was done by a Democratic US President, while obviously grating to Republican partisans, doesn't make it any less successful. |
Jim McLaughlin
Citizen
Username: Jmclaugh
Post Number: 89
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:07 am: |
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Last week, Colin Powell finally spoke out about the alleged Niger/Iraq yellowcake connection and the State of the Union speech in which Bush made the claim.
"That was a big mistake. It should never have been in the speech. I didn't need Wilson to tell me that there wasn't a Niger connection. He didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I never believed it."
It's frightening to think that the Secretary of State, knowing that the President was about to lie to the American people, was powerless to stop it. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1215
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:15 am: |
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Alleygater-
If you only would take off your blinders and pay attention, you will see I am not a Republican. It is unfortunate that you have such a simplistic take on the world. Ug, Ug, Dems Good...Cons Bad...Ug...
Who am I kidding, it is pathetic...
-SLK
How is that letter to your Democratic Neighbor coming along?
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tjohn
Supporter
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4208
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:27 am: |
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Jim,
The high-ranking generals and former Secretary of State who are now expressing their second thoughts about the decision to invade Iraq were not powerless. If Powell and, say, four or five top military commanders had resigned, the impact on the Bush Administration would have been significant. While it is good that they are speaking out now, in their hearts, they know that they had a chance to make a difference and they didn't act.
What would have happened if Powell had come forward in early 2003 and had accused Bush of manipulating and manufacturing evidence in support of invading Iraq? |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 425
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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What would have happened? He would have been railroaded for being weak in the face of terror, living in a "Pre 9/11 world" and a traitor to his country (by a bunch of chicken hawks who never served in the military.) |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1100
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:56 am: |
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twokitties, that is exactly what would have happened BUT at that point in time Powell had considerable respect world wide as an honest and capable leader. He should have resigned, made his position known and not allowed himself to be used as the messenger boy to the UN claiming that satellites showed things that just were not really there.
He took the weak road and in my eyes he is diminished greatly. |
Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 426
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
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Agreed. I held him in much higher esteem in the past. It's possible to be too good a soldier. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1716
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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SLK, I think I already pointed out above that Republicans are fine, it's just who sucks.
{ begin letter to Democrat neighbors }
Dear Libs, please note that overnight your Con neighbors have all grown enormously large phalli. From now on you should feel insecure and inadequate among the greatness of any member of our community that you suspect might lean toward the right. Do not bother to check their wallets for evidence of a Republican party affiliation. They don't need it. You must trust me that even they are more well endowed than you are. I know this to be a fact, I heard it from a reputable source here on MOL. My same source has also told me that you don't need to be a Republican in order to be >>ahem I mean to have<< a big prick. To this I can attest having seen evidence of it for very many months.
To all female Democrats (or left leaning citizens): Feel free to ignore this message in it's entirety as there is absolutely no reason for you to feel inadquate to any male regardless of their monstrously huge physical prowess. You are welcome to ignore, fight and even hate (if you must) the more conservative members of this community if that is your inclination.
My apologies for interrupting your day or for any accidental offense I may have caused you.
Sincerely,
-Al E. Gater
{/ end letter to Democrat neighbors } |
ae35unit
Citizen
Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 43
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 2:25 pm: |
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"Do not bother to check their wallets for evidence of a Republican party affiliation."
That's right- SLK is definitely a member. 
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tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3411
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |
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I thought there were rumors in 2003 that Powell would resign in 2004. I wonder if he floated that rumor instead of resigning, to try to make a statement. If he did, it was too weak. Bush must really have an intimidating grip on a lot of people, military and otherwise, given how many military men are retiring, then speaking out. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1226
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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Alleygater-
It sounds like you wrote the letter to yourself. Is this a project your shrink gave you?
I lean right, no doubt about that, but I don't consider myself a Republican.
What's the matter Alley, this notion doesn't quite fit into your simplistic political thought process?
-SLK |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5538
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 10:52 pm: |
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tom -- I'm not bitter about the US efforts in the Balkans. Didn't bother me at all that the UN was against our campaign in Kosovo. Allies and the world community not substantively helping us? Hardly surprising. It didn't bother me that the promises that Kosovo wouldn't be an independent state seem to not be operative right now. It doesn't bother me that the statement that the troops will be home by Xmas wasn't true. It doesn't bother me that civilian casualties including the Chinese embassy in Sarajevo occured from our high-altitude bombing, and it didn't seem to bother the media much either. Mistakes happen. We reinvented war back then, or so it was opined. We thought we had severely degraded the Serbian military, when in fact we were bombing a lot of decoys. When the ground troops were finally massed at the border after being taken off the table before the war began we saw Slobbo actually retreat. Hindsight is easy, and especially since during the conflict we had no real tactical sight on the ground.
All this kind of stuff happens in war. Mistakes are made, but the final judgement has to be made at the end of the campaign. You can't declare WW2 a failure because of something along the lies of Dunkirk. We don't quite have that "end" yet in Kosovo. They have no effective government yet and probably won't have one where the two sides can co-exist. They said there were 100s of 1000s in mass graves. We've uncovered maybe what......5-10-20K, but that's still significant. Intel....hey.....stuff happens. Kosovars slaughtered Serbs in retaliation. We have to understand their rage.
We stopped the slaughter of innocents. Same as we did in Iraq, with the difference being that Iraq was key to US security interests outside of what Saddam was doing to his own people. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1731
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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SLicK: will you at least leave me alone now about the letter to my Democratic neighbors? |
chroma
Citizen
Username: Chroma
Post Number: 29
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:09 pm: |
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Okay, back to the original topic, everyone?
What is the process of legally declassifying information? Did the President follow this process? (Presumably it is not waving a wand over the document and declaring "I hearby declare you declassified!")
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Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1773
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 11:44 am: |
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and if that is so, what stops you from covering your behind and declassifying documents AFTER you already leaked information? |
Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 807
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:12 pm: |
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I am a bit surprised that anyone thinks there actually is a procedure that Bush would follow. He seems to make it up as he goes along and none of his toadies dare question him lest they lose their jobs.
When he first ran for President, one of his selling points was that he would be the first President to hold an MBA, and therefore his administration would be one of professional, businesslike competence.
Very, very wrong. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4768
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Tony Snow of Fox News is a leading candidate to replace McLellan. Snow once wrote, "In resisting President Bush's infinitely variable approach to the ever-shifting situation in Iraq, Democrats have reverted to form. The cries for benchmarks and deadlines merely embody their weird faith in plans."
Try taking that to your boss or client next time you've got a project. "You have weird faith in plans. My infinitely variable approach to the ever-shifting situation makes them unnecessary!" |
Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 810
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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Wait a minute, that cannot be!
Fox is 'Fair and Balanced'! |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5549
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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He'll be at least as fair and balanced as is Stephanopolous at ABC. Or Rick Kaplan of Lincoln Bedroom fame who was at CNN (don't know where he is now). |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1677
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:29 pm: |
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Stephanopolous helped fuel the anti-Clinton hysteria (not to mention he's just a talk show host) and Murdoch's many-tentacled support of Bush far outweighs anything Kaplan was capable of doing. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1125
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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tom - I am using that line at my next project meeting. thx.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13749
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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Twokitties
Citizen
Username: Twokitties
Post Number: 429
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 8:06 am: |
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Tom: That is too good. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5552
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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Kaplan was at ABC's "World News Tonight", then went to CNN, and now he's at MSNBC. Fair and balanced, all the way (down)! |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1681
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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He serves well as a conservative bogeyman, for sure, and is a popular subject on Free Republic. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5554
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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The only thing libs have to counter the liberal bias charge in television news is Fox News. It's the equivalent of saying "well, they're biased too" which cedes the point. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1181
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:35 pm: |
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"W" stands for what-ever. |
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