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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:10 pm: | 
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Im sure its just a coincidence that he is a republican
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The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1252
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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In Hoop's universe only Republicans are dirty politicans...
-SLK
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Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1966
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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Ho0ps: It could also be that it's Chicago's effect on any politician |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5469
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:48 pm: |
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nah, its not just Republicans who can be dirty politicians, but you have to admit, theyve got some momentum going on this "losing" streak. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1110
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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Innis - could be, possibly, quite likely. Still it is appropriate to chart the republican revolution, moral majority, contract with America and see where the mighty have and are falling.
SLK - It can easily be as Innisowen describes but - and this is an obvious fact - the former governor of Illinois is a republican and he is a convict. Maybe it makes you uncomfortable seeing the continuous march through the courts that these guys are taking.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5541
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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Hoops -- we are uncomfortable when Republicans break the law. This is something you can't comprehend when you find your fellow Democrats have routinely broken the law. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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cjc-
Thank you.
Hoops-no, it doesn't make me anymore uncomfortable then when the Clinton's and their cronies did the same song and dance in the 1990's.
-SLK |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4750
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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were you only "uncomfortable" with the Clintons; and by the way, since you use the plural (I think), what particular crime was the "same song and dance"? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1174
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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Getting a haircut on Airforce One? |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1968
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Were Republicans uncomfortable with the Watergate break-in, the Iran-Contra scandal (now we're back to Iran again), the Duke Cunningham fiasco, the Abramoff effect including his colleague Mr Scanlon, who also worked for Delay, the Libby indictment, the decision of Tom Delay to step down after indictments fell in Texas?
Were Republicans uncomfortable with the exposure of CIA agent Valerie Plame?
Were Republicans "uncomfortable" when President George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger who had an indictment filed against him, thus avoiding any questions regarding the involvement of that same Republican President in the Iran-Contra Affair?
Were Republicans "uncomfortable" when President George W. Bush nominated Theodore Olson (investigated for obstruction of justice and lying to Congress during the Superfund investigation) to the office of Solicitor General?
Were Republicans uncomfortable when the entire DHS apparatus failed to prepare for Katrina, failed to respond to the storm in time, and failed to ensure speedy rescue and recovery in the affected areas?
I'm sorry. I forgot. The Republicans seem to get uncomfortable only at the suggestion of oral sex.
It has to be oral sex since the multi-year investigation of the Clintons mostly orchestrated by Kenneth Starr cost over $70 MM and failed to turn up any evidence of wrong-doing that was sufficient to merit charges or indictments. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1111
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 8:35 am: |
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Please explain to me why 6 years into a republican presidency and a full 12 years into a republican majority in congress how Bill Clinton is the focus of any post about wrong doing. Innisowen has posted a good number of scandals and crimes against our nation committed largely by republicans and he has only scratched the surface.
The issue is not that there are corrupt politicians, the issue is that republicans like SLK and cjc will defend their party as the one of superior morality and superior policy. It seems to me that their policy is to pilfer whatever they can get out of the treasury, take care of their corporate friends and attempt to curtail the freedom of the common man.
There is no morality there, no superiority. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1537
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:30 am: |
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nah, its not just Republicans who can be dirty politicians, but you have to admit, theyve got some momentum going on this "losing" streak.
DITTO! Lately, it's been more Repugs in the news than Dems.
Interesting list of corruption and the abuse of power.
http://www.democrats.org/a/national/honest_government/abuse_of_power/ |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5543
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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Innis -- the investigation into the Clintons produced over a dozen convictions including the governor of AR, not to mention Clintons law license suspended for lying to a judge in a case he had to settle on sexual harassment. Did you forget?
Nixon only resigned when Republicans became "uncomfortable" and took that 'walk down the Hill' to tell Nixon his support was lost.
Abramoff has tarred both sides of the aisle. Why else would Democrats return the money that emanated from his clients?
As for Plame, Fitzgerald has yet to definitively say she was a covert CIA operative, and to date no one has been indicted for leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent.
Being investigated isn't hard to accomplish in DC. Indictments may or may not be meritorious. Ultimately it's convictions that ultimately count.
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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cjc - your right. If they're not convicted then they are striaght up good guys. Indictments mean nothing, investigations mean nothing either.
Now take a look at the scorecard from 2005 -
gop scorecard
I am sure that only 8 convictions and 27 indictments mean nothing.
Please find and post the democratic scorecard for comparison.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4759
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 4:12 pm: |
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Apparently a Democrat returning a campaign contribution balances a Republican going to jail. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5545
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1495420
A Louisiana congressman demanded bribes in exchange for his help in promoting a pair of business deals in Africa, according to court documents filed Wednesday with a guilty plea by one of the congressman's former staffers.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0506020314jun02,1,4870084.story
The two guilty pleas bring to 11 the number of defendants convicted so far in the Hired Truck probe of payoffs in city outsourcing of truck hauling to private contractors. The investigation continues, but 27 individuals have been charged, 14 of them former city employees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/29/AR2006032902131. html
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) violated the rights of Rep. John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and broke federal law 10 years ago when he leaked the contents of an illegally taped telephone call to the press, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032401726. html
A Democratic researcher pleaded guilty yesterday to misrepresenting herself on a Web site as Michael S. Steele, Maryland's lieutenant governor and a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate, and fraudulently obtaining his credit report last summer.
Under a plea agreement reached with prosecutors, the misdemeanor charge against Lauren B. Weiner, a former staff member of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, could be dropped in a year if she completes 150 hours of community service and commits no other offenses.
....just a couple quick searches, and by no means exhaustive. This wiretapping and snooping into the private lives of people as evidenced by Schumer's camp and Jim McDermott has you really steamed. Please share with us your posts on but these two examples expressing same. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4772
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Time to play mix and match. Take either a) or b) from the first section and correctly match it with c) or d) from the second. Ready?
Section One
a) This administration had 29 of its staffers convicted of various crimes, including the national security advisor, the deputy chief of staff; and three cabinet-level officers resign under scandal including the attorney general, the secretary of housing and urban development and the secretary of defense. The secretary of defense later escaped trial because of a presidential pardon.
b) This administration underwent constant investigations during its entire term, but not one high-level official was indicted, let alone convicted, of any crime.
Section Two, match to your choice in section one:
c) The Clinton administration
d) The Reagan administration
Thanks for playing. |
cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5553
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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Just keep telling yourself it's a winning issue for Democrats while you read this:
Democrats turn corruption attacks on themselves in primary
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/14390763.htm} |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2016
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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Interesting. Refreshingly open mutual p-ssing match among Dems.
I can't imagine Duke Cunningham openly accusing Tom Delay of corrupt practices, or
Bush 41 saying to Cap Weinberger: "You ought to go to jail for your role in the Iran Contra scandal," or
Bush 43 saying to Harriet Miers, "get your skinny arse out of my office and don't ever think for a minute I would nominate you to the Supreme Court,"
or to Joe Alpaugh or Michael Brown, "you guys couldn't clean up a spilled ice cream cone, let alone rescue a region from a hurricane,"
or to John Snow, "you wouldn't know fiscal policy if it crapped on your head like a pigeon." |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2017
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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or Bill Frist saying to the Tennessee State Medical Board, "You know, I never really watched a video of Terri Schiavo in order to make my distance diagnosis. I was really watching Debbie Does Dallas and was ashamed to admit it."
Or Condi Rice saying, "You know those hundreds of mistakes I said we made in Iraq and then said we didn't make in Iraq? Well, we made them."
or Dick Cheney saying, "You know when Bush said last week, 'I'm the decider.' Well, he isn't the decider. I am." |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4780
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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I mean it's really shocking that candidates in a primary are campaigning against each other, isn't it?
Remember what New York City Dem primaries look like? Same deal. If you're desperate enough to want to believe that somehow three local pols slinging mud at each other in some backwater Ohio district somehow balances the indictments of Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham and all the rest (not to mention the 25% approval rating the Republican-controlled Congress has in the latest Fox News poll), then knock yourself out. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 2019
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 8:25 am: |
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Tom:
You're so right about NY politics. I seem to remember local history articles about politics in Newark and Jersey City, not to mention Boston and Philadelphia.
Perhaps the issue is that the current Republican adherents are indoctrinated, brainwashed, and in a lock-step/lock-brain state of mind.
So they wouldn't recognize diversity of opinion if it landed on their heads.
The current Republican party: not only wrong and wrong-headed, but really, really asleep at the wheel. Comatose. Drugged. Lotus eaters.
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cjc
Citizen
Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5562
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 7:38 am: |
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Senior Democrat Exits House Ethics Panel
By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press WriterFri Apr 21, 7:05 PM ET
The top Democrat on the House ethics committee agreed Friday to leave the panel to defend his financial conduct and ease the political burden on a party that has made Republican corruption a major campaign theme.
Rep. Alan Mollohan (news, bio, voting record), D-W.Va., decided on his own to step down at least temporarily, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said. His presence on the committee, while under an ethics cloud, would have undermined Democratic accusations that majority Republicans allow a "culture of corruption" in Congress.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060421/ap_on_go_co/mollohan
Let's not forget to add William Jefferson, D-LA or Jim McDermott, D-WA who lost his latest appeal on a case involving wiretapping. I'm (not) shocked that AP didn't include them in the line-up. Move them out of view and maybe the accusation that Republicans are corrupt might work. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4794
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 9:25 am: |
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McDermott's case wasn't technically wiretapping, though it makes for good copy. The appeal he lost was, ironically, in a lawsuit for violating the civil rights of the Republican congressmen involved. |
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