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Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1270
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 11:45 pm: | 
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Ray McGovern PUBLICLY Accuses Rummy Of Lying About WMDs
Edited on Thu May-04-06 04:14 PM by kpete
UPDATE: CNN reports that the questioner was 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern.
From: Think Progress
Rumsfeld Called Out On Lies About WMD
VIDEO:
http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/rum.320.240. mov
Speaking in Atlanta today, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was sharply questioned about his pre-war claims about WMD in Iraq. An audience member confronted Rumsfeld with his 2003 claim about WMD, “We know where they are.” Rumsfeld falsely claimed he never said it. The audience member then read Rumsfeld’s quote back to him, leaving the defense secretary speechless.
Of course, Rumsfeld did say he knew where the WMD were. From ABC’s This Week, 5/4/03:
STEPHANOPOULOS: And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven’t found any weapons of mass destruction?
SEC. RUMSFELD: …We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Read the full transcript HERE.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/04/rumsfeld-called-out
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Chris Prenovost
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Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 863
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 12:06 pm: |
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A member of this administration LIED to the American people?
Impossible. There must be some mistake. . . |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1273
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:24 pm: |
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LOL--
"They’re in the area around Tikrit"
I didnt say that--
But sir its on video-
Ummm
Ummmm |
bettyd
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Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 218
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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It turns out he didn't know what he thought he knew when he thought he knew it. Or, I mean to say, there are some things he didn't know, there are some things he did know, and there are some things he knew he didn't know, he just thought this was something he knew that he really didn't know. What an absolute buffoon, and embarassment, we have as Secretary of Defense. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6319
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Man that is almost painful to watch. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 309
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 5:53 pm: |
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A former Iraqi general says the WMD are in Syria. |
Bailey
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Username: Baileymac
Post Number: 279
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 9:45 pm: |
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Factvsfiction..
please post the facts.. who said that? what general?
Is "a former Iraqi general" to be any more trusted than our Secretary of Defense?
Wait.. somebody said something. Maybe we should start another war. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4304
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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I know this general. He used to play poker with Chalabi. He can be trusted. |
cjc
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Username: Cjc
Post Number: 5590
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 11:36 pm: |
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Every time a guy brings up the same point about the intel used in Iraq it's like it's a new story.
It didn't work in 2004, and it's not going to work in 2006 and 2008 especially when your side voted for the action taken.
Get an idea. Biden had one. The only support he got was David Broder saying 'at least he offered an idea.' Thanks, Joe. Nice hair. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6320
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 9:43 am: |
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What I find amusing in a "Southerner" kind of way is the way all the tightie righties don't get even a little disconcerted by the top levels of this administration unable to face the truth. Rummy had the chance to look good and he did the same thing every member of this administration (and those before and probably after) has done...look like an idiot in trying to get out of dealing with his own words coming back to slap him in the face. Another inarticulate dolt, who, sadly, is by brothers boss. |
Straw Kennedy
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Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7169
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
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boring |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1287
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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CJC Wesley Clarke had sumtin to say on Bidens plan, "It does not take into account the oil revenue being controlled by one party, the shites".
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bottomline
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Username: Bottomline
Post Number: 429
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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I’m with Duncan. I don't understand why ordinary rank and file conservatives are still making excuses for Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. Why not just admit that you need new leaders just like the liberals do. Then we can all get on with whatever is coming next rather than living in the past.
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Foj
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Username: Foger
Post Number: 1293
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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Actually bottomline-- there is a split amoungst Cons these days. The PNACers vs the William Buckleys. Then, the old school Repubs are just freaked out, they dont want anything to do with these New Cons.
But your point is well taken. New leadership on both sides would do the country well. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1008
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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I love when the minority party starts telling the majority how to run their affairs. We appreciate the advice but if you haven't noticed by now we don't care what you think. ON ANYTHING. This coming from Democrats who elected Pelosi as their leader and picked a guy who couldn't win his own state in a Presidential election. And then they picked another guy from a liberal northeast state (like that has worked recently) who is best known for marrying money and getting whipped in debates by a half man, half monkey. Yeah, we should see what we are doing isn't working. Right. And sense we are giving out advice, here's a little from me to you Dems - kick Schrum to the parking lot and change the locks! This guy is the anti-Rove and you keep hiring him. Thanks for your advice but I think we'll continue doing what works. |
llama
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Username: Llama
Post Number: 765
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 9:16 am: |
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You recently posted that you weren't following any party lines, and then you say this. Major credibility problems with you, besides the obvious others. |
Southerner
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Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1011
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 9:50 am: |
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How do I have credibility problems. I think every poster on this board knows where I stand. Either way, why does it matter. If you don't like my posts just skip them.
I see where I could have made it more clear. I should have used Libs instead of Democrats. I am voting to re-elect my Democratic Rep but he is conservative and I do care what he says. Of course, he is far from the Pelosi crowd. What will be fun as well is if (a big IF) the Dems take back the House by a few seats, we start seeing conservative Dems jump ship to the Repubs thus handing the majority back to the Repubs without an election. That would be fun to see. I can see this happening if Pelosi lets her power go to her head and instead of biding time to get a Dem Pres she jumps at the first chance to tackle the typical lib issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc). You'll see a line of conservative Dems looking to jump especially if Hillary is the clear nominee. But all that will come in time. |
tulip
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Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3499
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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As has been said before to you, southerner, your credibility problems emanate from the fact that you see politics as a game of chess. You would play tiddly winks with people's lives, hence, people distrust you. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15005
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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So far Southerner is winning. |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1790
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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Yay, Yay, Yaaaay!!! for Southerner
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2083
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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I agree with sbenois. southerner will certainly win this debate. he has no credibility problems.
otoh, he does have a problem with an apparent lack of intellectual inventory beyond one very tired and overused proposition that he continues to foist on us (i.e., we won, you lost, that's all that counts). credibility problem? no way. vacuity problem? definitely. |
ae35unit
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Username: Ae35unit
Post Number: 54
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 1:49 pm: |
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There are a couple of things that just confound me. One is the willingness for the more liberal side of these posts to entertain the Republican talking points as fact. For example Democrats have no ideas. Maybe they don't. Many of them do appear amazingly weak and are guilty of bringing knives to a gunfight. What is the Republican plan? Invade innocent countries and murder people so the can funnel revenue into the pockets of Dick Cheney? Hide behind the flag and the troops while selling the country down the river?
The other thing is this: The freeper side of these threads have a clear anti democracy, anti constitution, anti American agenda. Yet you rap yourself in the flag while you disrespect the basic ideas this country was founded on. You back a president that has diminished our standing in the world, allowed our country to be attacked, turned deficit spending into a sport, corrupted the media and damaged our military. On some level you obviously want to damage the United States of America while claiming otherwise. What confounds me is why no one calls you on it, so I will. You're anti patriots. You have no love of freedom and democracy. Winning and lying is more important than truth and respect. Corruption is a by product of government, why do you people want so badly to nurture it? You think you're patriots? |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 457
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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What is a patriot, anyway?
jd |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 766
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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Well said ae35unit! |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1012
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 7:22 pm: |
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Dr.,
You have me all wrong. Listen, I spent years debating and discussing with those with differing views. I know longer feel the need to do this especially on an anonymous board. If we had a beer in person then maybe I'd be willing to get "in-depth" on whatever issues we discussed. I no longer however feel the need to be "proven" right. I know I am right on each separate issue otherwise I would not hold that view. That is why all that matters to me is winning. I am no longer interested in hearing the daily blather. I know where I stand, have spent years coming to those conclusions and am firm in my resolve. I don't understand many of you who are intelligent and thoughtful who get so unnerved when someone offers a differing view. If any poster gets so upset with someone else then that tells me they are not very firm in their belief if an anonymous poster can rattle their cage on specific issues.
An example is the abortion issue. I am pro-choice. There isn't a thing any pro-life poster can say on this board that will freak me out and knock me from my belief on this issue. That is why I will read the posts, get a chuckle, and then make my typical type comment. I am not going to, or feel compelled to rehash why I am pro-choice. It is not necessary. The same is for all issues. I am under no utopian dream sequence where I am going to change the mind of any poster on this board. Therefore, why try. I assume all of you have spent time on forming your own opinions. And since we differ on many governmental issues the only way to keep you implementing your wrong philosophy (in my opinion) is to keep the ball in my court, by winning. So you can disparage winning all you want but that is all I care about because that is all that matters. I know you Dems understand this because you so desperately want to win to stop us conservatives. Why you act like winning is unimportant is incomprehensible to me.
tulip,
See above. Question - if you think you are right and I think I am right, then how do we decide how the government proceeds? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2084
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 7:48 pm: |
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I don't have you all wrong. On this board you are totally one note. Most of the time I skip your posts. The only reason I responded on this thread was because sbenois had posted, and he is someone who is worth reading. I'm not judging you on your politics, I'm judging you on your contributions to this board. And in the words of another MOLer, you are "boring." Maybe not IRL, but here, your posts are a complete snooze. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1016
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:41 pm: |
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Dr.,
No problem. I am an advocate for skipping posters who you tire of and if I am boring to you then please skip. I do that myself. I probably am quite boring because like I stated previously, I am no longer interested in changing minds. If I'm talking to a young person then of course I'll get into a discussion, but none of us political geeks on MOL are really going to change. I'll try to make some posts interesting so don't skip me entirely.
Lastly, are you bored with the many other posters who may have your political view yet post the same stuff everyday, or is it just cons you consider boring. Without hurting any feelings (like I care) there are many posters I completely ignore and a few are cons. |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
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Username: Casey
Post Number: 2086
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:55 pm: |
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I don't feel the need to single anyone out by name, but there are people whose politics I share, but don't read their posts any more. there's only so much incoherence or vitriol (or both) that I can endure. I'm thisclose to not reading this board at all anymore, because lately I skip almost as many of the frequent posters as I read. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1301
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 9:23 pm: |
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Southerner, Shrum is toast. Howard Dean is the BOSS in Town. See my post on the 50 state plan. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1019
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 9:53 pm: |
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Dean is definitely an improvement. It only took how many losses in a row for the Dems to figure it out.
Dr.,
Stick around. It has been incredibly boring lately with nothing new. Bush bashing and my cheerleading, with the usual Fitzmas scandals. The latest being this Hookergate/Goss business. It will get more interesting as the election nears and the Dems get even more in a frenzy. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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Dr O - you are valuable contributor. I dont know if you were talking about my posts and really I dont care if you read my posts but please keep posting yours.
thanks. |
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