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Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1295
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:32 pm: | 
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Whats the Plan for the country. The Conservative or Congressional, or White House plan.
Ya got one? Or is it Stay the course? Again.
Its a sad year, or 2, for the Cons. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1006
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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Your not privy to the plan because you don't attend the weekly meetings.
You know my plans because they are simple - keep liberals out of power. |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3501
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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Why, afraid of the competence? Afraid you'll like jerks? You don't want what's best for the country, just what keeps your tax money in your pocket. Sooner you admit it, sooner you'll stop looking like Johnny Reb without a Cause. |
Mustt_mustt
Citizen
Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 567
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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Bush's best moment in office? Reeling in big perch
Sun May 7, 2006 11:01 AM BST
REUTERS UK
BERLIN (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush told a German newspaper his best moment in more than five years in office was catching a big perch in his own lake.
"You know, I've experienced many great moments and it's hard to name the best," Bush told weekly Bild am Sonntag when asked about his high point since becoming president in January 2001.
"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound (3.402 kilos) perch in my lake," he told the newspaper in an interview published on Sunday.
Bush said the worst moment was September 11 when hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Centre in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.
"In such a situation it takes a while before one understands what is happening," Bush said. "I would say that this was the hardest moment, once I had the real picture before my eyes."
Because Bild could not immediately furnish English quotes, Bush's comments were translated from the German. The paper said the White House planned to release an authorised English version of the interview on Monday.
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The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 6:28 pm: |
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tulip-
If liberals are so "competent", why do they continue to fail to win an election?
-SLK |
tulip
Citizen
Username: Braveheart
Post Number: 3502
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 7:08 pm: |
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There's a difference between the kind of cutthroat, dispassionate, competitive competence of winning elections, and intelligent, analytical perspective that understands issues at several levels. |
Elgato
Citizen
Username: Elgato
Post Number: 57
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 7:16 pm: |
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Diebold machines:
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,69893,00.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12/02/diebold_gives_up_evote_clampdown/
http://utahcountvotes.org/BBV-Diebold-images.php
http://www.eff.org/legal/ISP_liability/OPG_v_Diebold/20031201_eff_pr.php
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Election_Systems
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1013
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 7:24 pm: |
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tulip,
I love your compassion and analytical perspective. |
Elgato
Citizen
Username: Elgato
Post Number: 58
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:02 pm: |
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Best moments in office:
How did President Carter answer the question?
"I think the best time was probably dealing with the Middle East issue at Camp David," he said, "and even better I think was the peace treaty that came along six months later. I made a very difficult decision over the almost unanimous opposition of my cabinet and my staff to take the initiative and to go to Egypt and to go to Israel to try to get Begin and Sadat to agree on a peace treaty. And when they did sign-both of them signed the agreement-I guess that was probably my best moment."
http://www.americanpresident.org/history...
How did President Clinton answer the question?
JIM LEHRER: As we sit here right now, Mr. President, is this the best moment of your presidency?
PRESIDENT CLINTON: Oh, no, I won't say that. I don't know. So many things have happened here at home that have been important to me; passing economic plan, passing the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban, so many things have happened internationally, the role that I was fortunate to be able to play in the peace process in the Middle East and in Northern Ireland, but this could have the biggest long-term positive consequences if we do it right. But frankly, I hadn't, you know -- Sometimes people say "do you feel vindicated?" The answer is no. I think America has been vindicated. I think what we stand for has been vindicated. But keep in mind that there have been times in the past where people win a conflict and then squander the peace. So a lot of our work is still ahead of us. We've gotta get the people home, get the land mines up, work out the details of who is involved in the peacekeeping mission. We have to get this -- We've got to organize police forces and civil government for the Kosovars. And then the really big thing over the long-run, our European friends want to take the lead in this but we ought to help them, we've got to get the World Bank and all these other people involved in a development plan for the Balkans that involves not just Kosovo, but Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, and I hope someday Serbia if they have a government that respects freedom and democracy and human rights. So that these people have something pulling them together instead of these ancient ethnic troubles pulling them apart.
Now if we get all that done, it might be perhaps the most satisfying thing because it might prove that people can lay down their hatreds of people who are different. You know, I basically think free people will figure out a way to make the most of their lives and work out their problems if they can get the rules of engagement right. That's why I gave somewhat of an extended answer to what you said about the Republicans. Because, I think, you know, differences are good. Nobody's got the whole truth. But you gotta get the rules of engagement right. And I think what we did in Kosovo was profoundly important.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/ja...
How did President Bush answer the question?
You know, I've experienced many great moments and it's hard to name the best," Bush told weekly Bild am Sonntag when asked about his high point since becoming president in January 2001.
"I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound (3.402 kilos) perch in my lake," he told the newspaper in an interview published on Sunday.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArti... |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1018
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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My kind of a guy. If it isn't clear why he was re-elected then you northeast libs will continue to repeat history. As for Carter, it doesn't surprise me that his best moment had to deal with countries thousands of miles away. I'm sure he wasn't nearly as happy to hear the hostages were going to be released. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1370
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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Elgato-
Never judge a man by his perch alone...
-SLK
tulip-
Was that an answer to my question? How did we get from "competence" to campaign style (and an arguable one at that)?
If the American people felt a liberal was competent enough to do the job then they would vote one in.
Apparently they don't. Do you ever wonder why?
-SLK |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1297
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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Elgato-- That site clips off the end of the URL--
http://www.americanpresident.org/history/jimmycarter/biography/resources/Article s/KunhardtCarterBio.article.shtml
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/jan-june99/clinton_6-11b.html
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05-
Did you catch my Election Reform News on friday?--- A veritable meltdown in Ohio , Indiana, West Virginia, e-voting problems galore- here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203& topic_id=426288&mesg_id=426288 |
Elgato
Citizen
Username: Elgato
Post Number: 59
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 6:36 am: |
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Thanks Foj. Happy Monday. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4870
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 9:08 am: |
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southerner, a couple of random thoughts on your last post. One, if I understand you correctly, that "my kind of guy" accomplishment displays the kind of mindset that won him the election. If that's so I'm scared to death. I do want to replay history -- this time let the south secede!
This is a big, important, complicated country and if over the last five years a president's greatest moment hasn't been directly involved in serving it he shouldn't have even run for relection.
But on the other hand, if he were pressed for something job-related, I bet he would have said either toppling the Taliban or toppling Saddam -- both of whom are even farther away than Egypt. Anyway, a middle-east peace treaty that's lasted thirty years -- something wonderful to behold in my opinion.
As for his fish, indications are that a perch that size must be a Nile Perch, an introduced, invasive species that is causing a lot of environmental damage in the habitats it takes over. Congrats to George for being wise enough to stock his pond with them. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 9:24 am: |
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tom,
He is my kind of guy and I love that it bothers you libs. So, yes, you should be scared to death. I was during the first few Clinton years when he had a Dem Congress and had unchecked power. As for us seceding, no freaking way. We finally have the perfect system where we funnel all the blue state tax dollars to ourselves. We aren't going to upset that cash cow. Besides, we are the majority now so life is good.
As for Bush's statement, if he was pressed for a work related accomplishment, he would undoubtedly say that his greatest accomplishment has been keeping the American liberal left from implementing anything while he has been in office. Not one single thing. They can't even get someone testifying in front of them sworn in. That entire episode has to be the most beautiful thing I've seen in years. Old Ted sticking it to each and every Dem and they were powerless to do anything. And we have George to thank. Yes, if I were a Dem I'd be very scared because the American people woke up in 1994 and you guys still haven't adjusted yet. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1891
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 10:29 am: |
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Quote:He is my kind of guy and I love that it bothers you libs.
An uneducated hick, who couldn't lead his way out of bag? Who war mongers to win elections? Who is wholly inarticulate. Who stays the course rather than admit that the current choices that he made were horrible for the country. I'm Not surprised he's your guy. You like being lied to. You like defending pompous jerks. As our country gets driven further into the dirt, just continue to smile and be proud that YOU DID YOUR PART to win yet another election. I'm not exactly sure why your so proud, but just keep doing what your doing. We'll all just stand over here and laugh at you. |
Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 864
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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Southerner:
He is your kind of guy?
A cowardly, draft dodger who ran when his country called?
A spoiled rich kid who never worked a day in his life?
A President who inherited a $300 billion budget surplus and promptly threw it away?
A warmonger who invaded the wrong country?
A liar who makes Clinton seem honest by comparison?
. . . I have to wonder about that choice. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14121
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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In a sense, he's an actor, but a new kind. He acts the part of a country bumpkin on TV, even though he isn't one.
I don't believe the American has felt that this sort of image is a presidential one for very long. It's a recent phenomenon. I wonder what sort of changes led to the craving for this sort of image.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1023
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 2:39 pm: |
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I love this. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1227
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 2:40 pm: |
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yes we know. |
mjc
Citizen
Username: Mjc
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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Southerner, not that it will be anything to you, but based on the following awful statement...
"As for Carter, it doesn't surprise me that his best moment had to deal with countries thousands of miles away. I'm sure he wasn't nearly as happy to hear the hostages were going to be released." ...
I'm renewing in perpetuity my vow not to read your posts. Your "it's all a game" attitude, with sneering, derogatory comments in place of debate on issues, is at the root of this country's problems. GW is just a symptom.
cheers and outta here -
MC
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Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1905
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 3:53 pm: |
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Southerner, I think he pooped on your head. At least that's what it looked like from over here.
Bravo, mjc. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1028
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 7:09 pm: |
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Why do you have to renew a vow made in perpetuity? Am I missing something? Reingold, can you help me out. This can't be yet another lib with no self control can it? How do you respond to a post you don't read?
I will now make this solemn vow in perpetuity - I will never make a vow and then break it only to renew it again at my convenience when I read a post I vow to never read and then feel compelled to comment just to say I'm never reading it again. I vow never to do this! |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1799
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 7:21 pm: |
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on behalf of mjc, let me say -
•••• you, you ••••••• •••• ••••
Figured someone needed to get that off their chest |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14146
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 8:06 pm: |
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I've wondered about people who renew wedding vows. If I did that, I would be cheapening the original vow I made.
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Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1030
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 8:45 pm: |
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SO,
If I am so wrong on every issue why do I get to you so bad? I know we all have different dispositions but come on. Don't take this so seriously. If you get that upset at an anonymous poster I'd hate to be with you in traffic!
Reingold,
I agree. If you have to renew a vow of any kind was a vow in the first place. Maybe some people consider vows as suggestions. |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1800
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 9:45 pm: |
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It's not that I disagree with you per se; however, if you went to a jerk convention, you'd be the one they'd be referring to when they ask "who's the •••-hole?" |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1304
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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So Ref -  |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1034
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 10:08 pm: |
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I don't know. I've never been to one and don't plan on it. I guess MJC needs her big strong man from SO to rescue her, since she can't respond. Or can she? |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 2:40 pm: |
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.........got a plan? |
dougw
Citizen
Username: Dougw
Post Number: 829
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:22 pm: |
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The plan is to drastcially lower taxes, eliminate social program spending and kill social security. Let people keep their money and take care of themselves and their families. They can also contribute to charity to help the poor. |
Southerner
Citizen
Username: Southerner
Post Number: 1063
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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Foj,
I am not an elected official so the only honest answer is I don't have one. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2002
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 5:44 pm: |
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dougw: you forgot "drastically lower taxes" FOR THE RICH. I'd say that is crucial information ya left off there. |
Foj
Citizen
Username: Foger
Post Number: 1334
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:16 pm: |
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he, he, he, he, he. |
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