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Straw Kennedy
Supporter Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7218 Registered: 10-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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So much for those who want us to believe Pentagon attack was a hoax.. New video to be released today. |
   
dave23
Citizen Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1770 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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Thanks Straw. Why didn't you post Judicial Watch's story about Abramoff's visits to the White House, too? |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4919 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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Most of us never thought it was a hoax, we believe it was inexcusable negligence that, one full hour after it was clear to anyone capable of turning on a television that we were being attacked, a plane was allowed to hit the Pentagon. Let me emphasize that: inexcusable negligence. It like to see a video that disproves that. |
   
C Bataille
Citizen Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2620 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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Tom: EXACTLY. |
   
themp
Supporter Username: Themp
Post Number: 2899 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:13 pm: |
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Must be some indictments coming. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4920 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:30 pm: |
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Judicial Watch's web site is apparently overloaded. But meanwhile, why would it take an FOIA request for this to be released? Is it more of the paranoid secrecy that controls the White House, or is there some legitimate concern? |
   
notehead
Supporter Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3273 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:53 pm: |
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Themp is on the money. |
   
themp
Supporter Username: Themp
Post Number: 2901 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:54 pm: |
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It is strange. The philosophy is that everything should be kept secret unless there is a legal compulsion to reveal it. I think there was a formal edict to resist all FOIA requests across the board. Giuliani was the same way in NYC. |
   
notehead
Supporter Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3275 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:18 pm: |
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There are hundreds of witnesses. Traffic was stalled on the cloverleaf right near the building at the time of impact. Some witnesses assert that it was not a 757 but some kind of smaller commuter plane, however it seems likely that they were simply confused by the intensity of the moment, or just plain incorrect. But, on the conspiracy side, it's interesting that the unexperienced pilot of the 757 successfully executed a near-impossible maneuver with the plane to hit the one portion of the Pentagon that was largely empty due to renovations. [edited to add] You'd think he would want to take out as many people as possible. On the other hand, perhaps it was his incompetence that caused the maneuver in the first place, rather than a plan. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4923 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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Not that I'm party to the hoax theory, but even Fox News says the video is "underwhelming." The security camera ticked off photos every 1/2 second, and one frame shows a shadow that might look like the nose of an aircraft. Nobody is claiming it's conclusive in any details. Again, why the mystery? |
   
notehead
Supporter Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3276 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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And several "key" frames of the impact were released quite a while ago. The stuff they're releasing now doesn't really add much to that. Rove indictment T minus 5... 4... |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1367 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 7:41 pm: |
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notehead-- maybe it a was an ex Saudi Air Force pilot that flew Flight 77......... Real boring video, Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3681938.stm |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4928 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 7:59 pm: |
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the link just points to a help page |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1368 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 9:00 pm: |
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Sorry, I right clicked the link, and posted it without checking. Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm Here are the original frames that were released years ago: http://home.earthlink.net/~toyoder/images/pentanimxox2.gif Heres the full video: http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html scroll down to the flt 77 video number 2. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1369 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 9:21 pm: |
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At the DOD link, that video, stop it at second 24, and jump it to second 25. There is an obect, a plane like object. I dont think a 757 leaves a white trail of exhaust. In front of the exhaust is a triangle shaped object, kinda like the rudder of a plane. The "rudder" of the plane is at the horizon, and can be seen against the sky. It is clear in the 24th second of the video. If that is the rudder of the plane in the video, then the rest of the obect is very dark, if not black colored. Wasnt flight 77 an American Airlines 757? Since when do they paint their 757s dark grey or black? |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1380 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Straw, still boring? Wheres the plane Straw. Come on Straw. Wheres the fookin plane Straw. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4935 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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I often suspect that straw (and a few others) have their spiels all keyed in and are just waiting for the go-ahead from Mind Control Central to click on the Preview/Post Message button. Here's a case in point. A video that shows absolutely nothing, and it's hailed as The Answer To Everything. That is, until it's not. As long as these guys are around, Bush's approval ratings will never go to zero. He could bite the heads off of live puppies on TV and they'd praise him for the decisive way in which he did it. Guys, hold a strong magnet near the back of your skull, right around the hairline. You can disable the chip that way. There. Doesn't that feel better? Now you can make your own conclusions. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1383 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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LOL-- TOM yeah I know, right on. Again where is the damn plane. A 757 is as tall as the roof off the pentagon Here are 2 frames of the video. Why is the roof of the Pantagon collapsed, Is the TIme stamp sept 12, 2001. Come you Bush bots, answer the damn questions, where is the plane> Why is the roof of the pentagon already collapsed? Because THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. |
   
Duncan
Supporter Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6350 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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That does seem odd. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1392 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 8:40 pm: |
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The whole offical story is odd. |
   
Gregor Samsa
Citizen Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 518 Registered: 11-2002

| Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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I guess the grassy knoll has been picked over pretty well by now, so Foj needs to find another hare-brained conspiracy to promulgate in order to fill the hours upon hours of free time he obviously has. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1397 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:38 am: |
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What is this:
@23 seconds...........then @ 24 seconds.... Annotated 24 seconds, I have outlined white smoke in white and what looks like a tail/rudder of a plane in black. Neither of these features are present in the 23rd second. |
   
Dave
Supporter Username: Dave
Post Number: 9455 Registered: 4-1997

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:44 am: |
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Quote:Some Eyewitness Accounts Flight 77 Crash at the Pentagon, Sept. 11, 2001 "On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'" - "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001 "I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..." - "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001 "As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it." - "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001 "Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine." - "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002 "USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course.'" - "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001 "'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said." - "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001 "'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'" - "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001 "Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'" - "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001 "'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'" - "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001 "Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'" - "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001 "Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit." - "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001 "Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash." - "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001 "Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'" - "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001 "'I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building,' said Carla Thompson, who works in an Arlington, Va., office building about 1,000 yards from the crash. 'I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red,' she said. 'Everybody was just starting to go crazy. I was petrified.'" - "Terrorists Attack New York, Pentagon." Los Angeles Times, 12 Sep 2001 "I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke." - Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today "Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said." - "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002 "Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'" - "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001
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Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1399 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:05 am: |
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Nice answer, not. Another person who demonstrates the inability to look at a video provided by the Dept. of Defense, and describe what they see. Now as to your post, this account seems interesting, maybe a case of you not reading your post before posting.....thanks for proving my point. ""'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said." - "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001 " Its also interesting to note that only one account quotes the person as seeing an American Airlines plane. ""Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash." - "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001" Good work pal, a cruise missle with wings.
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Dave
Supporter Username: Dave
Post Number: 9456 Registered: 4-1997

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:20 am: |
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Quote: Its also interesting to note that only one account quotes the person as seeing an American Airlines plane.
At least six witnesses identify it as an AA 757. Including a pilot and a USA Today editor.
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Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1400 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:20 am: |
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Furthermore: Madelyn Zakhem -- ... she heard what she thought was a jet fighter directly overhead. It wasn't. It was an airliner coming straight up Columbia Pike at tree-top level. It was huge! It was silver. It was low -- unbelievable! I could see the cockpit. www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt Joel Sucherman -- Do you know how many engines? - I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail; it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines jet, it was not a commercial, excuse me, a business jet, it was not a Lear jet, ... it was a bigger plane than that. play.rbn.com/?url=usat/usat/g2demand/010911_joel.rm&proto=rtsp http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/witnesses.html Both of these eyewitnesses cite the plane as being silver. The object in the video is dark, nearly black. They must have color blind, right? |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1401 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:39 am: |
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They were certainly not "quoted" in your post as saying it was an AA 757. AS per my post. Gotta read the stuff -- it helps in puttin together a decent counter. Next. |
   
Dave
Supporter Username: Dave
Post Number: 9457 Registered: 4-1997

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:42 am: |
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You're nuts. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1402 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 2:09 am: |
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So Dave.. why is the Pentagon video doctored? Its pretty obvious, the white smoke I outlined is really too perfect, have ya looked at the video yet? http://pserver.mii.instacontent.net/defense/flight77/fl77-2_11094237.WMV |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4944 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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following up on your quote of Mike Walter, here's a follow up from him Quote:One of those people was Mike Walter, an anchor reporter for "USA Today Live." Walter was stuck in traffic near the Pentagon on Sept. 11. He watched the jet slam into the Pentagon and was interviewed widely. "Referring to the American Airlines jet metaphorically as a weapon," explains Walter, "I'd described it as being like 'a cruise missile with wings.'" This quote was taken out of context to support the conspiracy theories. It was even cited in Thierry Meyssan's "L'Effroyable Imposture," a book that became a No. 1 bestseller in France. Walter says, "It's tough being in journalism and seeing your own words being used to persuade people to believe something that simply isn't true. Anyone who has seen the full text of that interview knows that I was clearly talking about the American Airlines jet. Because that's what I saw. "I hear from the conspiracy people on occasion," adds Walter. "I had one track me down, call me, question me, and then call me a liar before hanging up on me. I've also read online that I'm a shill for the CIA."
You later say, "Both of these eyewitnesses cite the plane as being silver. The object in the video is dark, nearly black. They must have color blind, right?" The object they saw was right above them. The object in the video is distant and backlit. The "color" of an object, and especially a reflective one, is 100% dependent on the lighting conditions under which you see it. To put it in the most basic terms, what "color" is an airliner at night, in a dark hangar? What color is the water? How about here?
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cmontyburns
Citizen Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1838 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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Foj, you've really out-crazied yourself on this one.
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Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1407 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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Thank you for your cogent, excellent response. But when looking at the video, the sun was to the left of the camera, not exactly backlighting the object. I dont know what to think anymore. The video, in my eyes, doesn't show an object large enough to be a 150 foot long 757. The white blob is behind a dark colored triangle, which I take to be a tail/rudder of a plane, with white smoke coming from the rear. I think this video will feed the FUll Metal Hats, as I have duly demonstrated.
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cmontyburns
Citizen Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1839 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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I guess I just don't get what The Big Picture is supposed to be in this conspiracy theory. We know without a doubt that hijackers were on an American Airlines flight that didn't crash anywhere else. (You might also be interested to know that three other jets were hijacked that day -- we have full TV news video of two of them crashing into the World Trade Center, and numerous photographs of the crash in Pennsylvania.) So, despite the fact that three other jetliners were hijacked and purposely crashed that day, the reason that you believe this particular jetliner was NOT hijacked and crashed into the pentagon is... a frame or two from a time-lapse security camera? Going back to your earlier message to Straw: If this flight didn't crash into the pentagon... where's the plane, Foj? |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1408 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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I dont get it either, the video is fueling the full metal hats. Why release it? |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4949 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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There's a very good debunking of most of the Pentagon theories at http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html. It was referenced by a recent salon.com story, so it's not likely to be part of the global right-wing concpiracy. A very specific detailing of how the photos of debris inside the Pentagon match up with the engine used in a 757 is here: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml. Enjoy. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1409 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 2:48 pm: |
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Been there, done that. The video sucks. It proves/does nothing but to fuel the Full Metal Hats. |
   
cmontyburns
Citizen Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1840 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 3:16 pm: |
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And what sort of hat do you wear on this particular issue? |
   
Gregor Samsa
Citizen Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 519 Registered: 11-2002

| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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OK, just for laughs, if that was a missle, then whre is the real AA plane, and where are all the people who were on board? Let me guess...the plane was hijacked by FBI agents and flown to a remote location in the desert. ALl the passengers are either in the federal witness protection program, or being used in experiments at area 51... |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4955 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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That would be funny, Franz, except that's pretty close to what the tin-foil-hat crowd actually believes. |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1412 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 2:00 pm: |
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Cmonty-- it was a 757, I know someone who saw it, someone I trust. But this video is so poor, or has been doctored that it settles nothing. I do think the pilots of 9-11 were not who the official story says they were. I think Ex Saudi Air Force pilots fit the bill better. Flight 77 descended from 7k ft, while pulling a 270 degree turn, and hit the Pentagon. TO ME, that is kin to a WW2 pilot landing on an Aicraft Carrier. pretty impresive, & requiring hours of training. Any one of us could probably learn to touch and go in a Cessna, in an afternoon. These Bozos couldnt fly on a simulator, let alone a real airliner. SO I dont think the list of 9-11 attackers is accurate, they couldnt have done the job. I know 2 pilots for Continental that voted for Bush, and dont think we have been told the truth. One of those pilots has 19 years on the 777, 767, 757 & 737, he says these guys were pretty good. But I think the Bush Regime sat around on 9-11, and let it happen. With 67 interceptions from 1-01-01 to 9-1-01, for something as little as losing radio contact with a pilot, I don't buy the idea that the entire Military establishment and FAA broke SOP so massively that one day. The FBI Director has said, if he had the Able Danger Files, that he would have stopped them all on 9-11. ETC ETC ETC. |
   
tom
Citizen Username: Tom
Post Number: 4956 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 6:19 pm: |
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Well remember, though, when you're talking about how difficult such-and-such a maneuver is, what you're really talking about is how hard it is to do safely, without damaging the aircraft or crashing. So.... |
   
Foj
Citizen Username: Foger
Post Number: 1414 Registered: 9-2004
| Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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Ehh... sorta... maybe not, get too low, hit the ground before the Pentagon, you never make it. Fly too high, a measly 80 foot, and you overshoot. Meanwhile pilots say any landing you walk away from is a good one. And there was no ILS @ the pentagon that they could use.... carrier pilots in WW2 had a guy with a flag, and a system of lights to help. Well you make a good point, nevertheless, many pilots have said those guys were good. |
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